money for kirk

[Sharkinva]

I think you're missing Sty's sleeper pick for Kirk's replacement --> the guy's actually on our roster and his name doesn't rhyme with Dolt.

OH I didnt miss it, I think I know where Sty would have no problem with this ending up with us stuck in that situation. Which is also why I kind of think the only way we OVER PAY Kirk is to give him a deal like the one the Pizza guy got a few years back.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Agree about the #s and actually at this pt I don't think that most fans would have any issue with this. You have to consider Cousins play during the last half of the season when he has basically played as well as any QB in the NFL.

He definitely played lights out the past 3 games and very well the last half of the season but there is still the question of performing against winning teams (as well as consistency with games on the road) for many fans and I can understand that thinking.

Add in, that the body of work remains relatively small and the steps back we all saw happen to Foles (whether you believe it was scheme, system, Oline or coaching failing him), I get being cautiously optimistic and not being 'all in' yet....

For me, I've seen enough to be happy with giving him the above mentioned contract I posted, but I CAN understand why others may not.

 

[gkekoa]

OK, so lets roll with that logic for a moment.

Say we let him walk and we pick up one of these journeyman whos names have been thrown out. Say we get a $5 million dollar a year place holder for a year. Do you really think the team is in a better position STILL chasing the QB ghost??

Facts here, getting rid of Griffin gives us $21.85 million in cap space BEFORE any roll over from this year. So lets round it to $25 million after roll over. Lets high ball it and Say Kirk gets the exact same deal Russell Wilson got.

Wilsons cap hit in 2015 was $7 million
His cap hit for 2016 is $18 million
IF the Seahawks decide to cut him after next season they would actually save $200k

So again using those numbers, Kirk would cost us $7 million in 2016 out of $25 million. So WHAT position do you think he would prevent us from addressing with $18 million in cap space in 2016 and STILL having $35 million in 2017 after Kirks deal??

Again if signing Kirk meant we would have $2 million left to round out the roster, I would agree we should consider cheaper options. But considering the fact that we are NOT in the market for another Haynesworth type deal in the first place.... your logic is slightly tilted on this one.

You are looking at one year. I am looking at the long haul.

Wilson was 7 million for one year, 18 mil for the next. While there is a great deal if we get KC for 7 mil next season, 18 mil the following season holds the team back. I honestly wouldn't mind the 18 mil but in year 3 what would he cost? 25 to 30 mil?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

You are looking at one year. I am looking at the long haul.

Wilson was 7 million for one year, 18 mil for the next. While there is a great deal if we get KC for 7 mil next season, 18 mil the following season holds the team back. I honestly wouldn't mind the 18 mil but in year 3 what would he cost? 25 to 30 mil?

Good pt, but I don't think that it will come to that. I believe that both sides will operate in good faith with a deal that will have outs down the road if things don't work out. Now if somehow Cousins and his agent hold out for some ridiculous offer well then it may be a different story. However - I honestly don't see this happening since again I truly believe that Cousins is about more than just money.

 

[Sharkinva]

You are looking at one year. I am looking at the long haul.

Wilson was 7 million for one year, 18 mil for the next. While there is a great deal if we get KC for 7 mil next season, 18 mil the following season holds the team back. I honestly wouldn't mind the 18 mil but in year 3 what would he cost? 25 to 30 mil?

Actually Willson counted

$7
$18
$18.8
$21.7
$23.2

So his cap number never gets above $25 million. And I dont think Kirk will get a deal that high actually.

Im thinking he gets around a 5 year $75 million with $20 million guaranteed. That averages out to around $17.52 a year IF he plays the entire thing. And if he is playing well enough to play it out, it will be considered a bargain in two years.


Side note... I always look at the long haul.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

He definitely played lights out the past 3 games and very well the last half of the season but there is still the question of performing against winning teams (as well as consistency with games on the road) for many fans and I can understand that thinking.

Add in, that the body of work remains relatively small and the steps back we all saw happen to Foles (whether you believe it was scheme, system, Oline or coaching failing him), I get being cautiously optimistic and not being 'all in' yet....

For me, I've seen enough to be happy with giving him the above mentioned contract I posted, but I CAN understand why others may not.

I really believe that a lot more Redskins fans are onboard with a high $$ contract than many may admit. I also don't buy the comparison to Foles. Foles accrued most of those big numbers in a few games & was average or less in many other games. He also had the benefit of a major rushing attack that didn't exist for the Redskins this season.

If Cousins can put together a solid game against the Packers this should quiet a lot of the doubters. If some folks are looking for a perfect QB who wins against just about every team in the NFL over a long time I believe that the best bet will be Cousins over the next few seasons. Otherwise - we may be waiting for a very, very long time.

 

[j_y19]

I think you're missing Sty's sleeper pick for Kirk's replacement --> the guy's actually on our roster and his name doesn't rhyme with Dolt.

That is the worst kept secret on this board.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I really believe that a lot more Redskins fans are onboard with a high $$ contract than many may admit. I also don't buy the comparison to Foles. Foles accrued most of those big numbers in a few games & was average or less in many other games. He also had the benefit of a major rushing attack that didn't exist for the Redskins this season.

If Cousins can put together a solid game against the Packers this should quiet a lot of the doubters. If some folks are looking for a perfect QB who wins against just about every team in the NFL over a long time I believe that the best bet will be Cousins over the next few seasons. Otherwise - we may be waiting for a very, very long time.

I see a lot of debating fans on Twitter but they may just be a vocal minority.

Not saying comparing Foles to Cuz is fair just saying I get why some may use that as a warning about buying in too soon. Personally I think continuity was the biggest thing that hurt him.

Also my points are for why I understand some fans are not on board for a multiple year contract. I do agree that pretty much every fan would like Cuz back, cost being the sticking point.

Lastly, I agree that continued good play from Cuz will be the winning remedy for doubters.

 

[redskinsfan]

Quite frankly, I'm just befuddled by those who think we should go with RGIII at this point, especially those who think he got the shaft because of his race. I'd like to invite any of those with this particular viewpoint to step up and defend their view on this issue, but, on second thought, maybe I shouldn't.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Quite frankly, I'm just befuddled by those who think we should go with RGIII at this point, especially those who think he got the shaft because of his race. I'd like to invite any of those with this particular viewpoint to step up and defend their view on this issue, but, on second thought, maybe I shouldn't.

It's in over previous threads that you've missed in your sabbatical from the board. Good to see you back by the way.

Trying to post more links vs. tweets to aid your reading

 

[Sharkinva]

Quite frankly, I'm just befuddled by those who think we should go with RGIII at this point, especially those who think he got the shaft because of his race. I'd like to invite any of those with this particular viewpoint to step up and defend their view on this issue, but, on second thought, maybe I shouldn't.

Dude this came from todays mailbag on the post...



Do you believe that if Kirk Cousins is not franchised that the Redskins would turn back to RGIII if Cousins signs with a Shanahan-led team? And do you believe that with the team solidified around him that RGIII would flourish like Kirk Cousins?

– Marvin Furbush

I don’t see the Redskins letting Cousins get away. They’ll either sign him to a long-term deal or retain him with the franchise tag. And even if something wacky happened and Cousins did leave, I still don’t see any way they go back to Griffin. They have no confidence in him, and everyone knows it, including Griffin. There’s just too much damage there.

So it goes beyond people actually thinking Griffin is still a better option, seems like some people are actually HOPING we some how fail to resign Kirk and are forced to hang onto Griffin for ONE... LAST.. SHOT.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Quite frankly, I'm just befuddled by those who think we should go with RGIII at this point, especially those who think he got the shaft because of his race. I'd like to invite any of those with this particular viewpoint to step up and defend their view on this issue, but, on second thought, maybe I shouldn't.

You mean like this guy? The overall premise by this guy is moronic. He continually references Shanahan - what does that have to do with the current situation?

 

[redskinsfan]

It's in over previous threads that you've missed in your sabbatical from the board. Good to see you back by the way.

Trying to post more links vs. tweets to aid your reading

Thanks! Glad to be back and to cheer the advance in the playoffs!

 

[redskinsfan]

You mean like this guy? The overall premise by this guy is moronic. He continually references Shanahan - what does that have to do with the current situation?

Wow. All the things you can do with a video cam and the internet. I like how he mentions Art Briles. If he came here, we'd have the greenest playbook in the league.

 

[redskinsfan]

Dude this came from todays mailbag on the post...



Do you believe that if Kirk Cousins is not franchised that the Redskins would turn back to RGIII if Cousins signs with a Shanahan-led team? And do you believe that with the team solidified around him that RGIII would flourish like Kirk Cousins?

– Marvin Furbush

I don’t see the Redskins letting Cousins get away. They’ll either sign him to a long-term deal or retain him with the franchise tag. And even if something wacky happened and Cousins did leave, I still don’t see any way they go back to Griffin. They have no confidence in him, and everyone knows it, including Griffin. There’s just too much damage there.

So it goes beyond people actually thinking Griffin is still a better option, seems like some people are actually HOPING we some how fail to resign Kirk and are forced to hang onto Griffin for ONE... LAST.. SHOT.

Why did the Post even post this garbage question, much less answer it?

 

[Sharkinva]

Why did the Post even post this garbage question, much less answer it?

Cause there be folks, who no matter how well Kirk does, will always think Griffin got shafted and he would be our "Franchise QB" if we gave him half the support we gave Kirk.

Kinda makes me wonder, if Kirk had started in 2013 as Shannahan apparently wanted, where might his game be now?

 

[redskinsfan]

Cause there be folks, who no matter how well Kirk does, will always think Griffin got shafted and he would be our "Franchise QB" if we gave him half the support we gave Kirk.

Kinda makes me wonder, if Kirk had started in 2013 as Shannahan apparently wanted, where might his game be now?

I can't believe there are folks on this board that think that. Just about everyone here seems to be intelligent and level-headed. (But then again, maybe I haven't been around here long enough.)

As for Kirk, if he had more experience under his belt, he'd be far more entrenched into being our franchise QB. I just wonder how much better he and the team would've been if he took first teams snaps throughout training camp. Kudos to him for keeping his chin up and preparing himself for a starting role even after he got told early on that there'd be no QB competition.

 

[JonBlaze]

Interesting, I didn't think anyone would want RG3 in over Cousins. I might seem like a pro-RG3/anti-Cousins guy, but even I can see the difference in their performances on the field. Thinking RG3 can still play somewhere else if given the chance and having some lingering doubts about Cousins not being a flash in the pan can be mutually exclusive things. Cousins seems to be in a perfect fit with this system/coaching staff. Will he factor that in if he somehow hits the FA market? He seems like a pretty straight up dude and I would assume he'd not try to make a pure money play and just automatically go to the highest bidder.

 

[skinsdad62]

KC isnt going anywhere period . now there is a risk to signing KC long term and to "big money " i wont fight that at all however KC put the numbers up , the wins up and got a title so where would we go with this so called "savings "

mccarron is less proven then KC and mcgloin being mentioned is an absolute joke

so now we go to guys like osweiler (who is less proven the KC )

keap, who is a healthier version of RG3

stafford who puts up gaudy numbers but doesnt win much as he should

tyrod taylor is a guy who we could look at

however the above mentioned guys will cost some too

of course you can save a few mil and play Rg3 and face a huge contract in 2017 if he is what you think he is

 

[gkekoa]

Actually Willson counted

$7
$18
$18.8
$21.7
$23.2

So his cap number never gets above $25 million. And I dont think Kirk will get a deal that high actually.

Im thinking he gets around a 5 year $75 million with $20 million guaranteed. That averages out to around $17.52 a year IF he plays the entire thing. And if he is playing well enough to play it out, it will be considered a bargain in two years.


Side note... I always look at the long haul.

Wilson signed an extension of 4 years...huge difference. The contract he signed is a 4 year deal worth 87 mil. His average hit on the extension is around 21 mil/season. We don't have that luxury with KC. If KC wants a 5 year deal worth 75 mil, I am all for it...that's 15 mil/season. I am also all for incentives if he hits some lofty bench marks.