money for kirk

[skinsdad62]

Ha. Thanks Skinsdad. I will be on here more often. Was so bummed when the ESPN forums were closed.
Any Dallas trolls on here still?

we have cleaned that up with the smack talk thread and the fake screen names cant be done here , so yes the trolls are gone

 

[chillerdab]

This article, written in November of 2015, suggests that it is unlikely that the Redskins would apply a franchise tag to KC, projected to be $19.8 million.

Considering the Redskins have $16 million sitting on the bench, I'm not sure why it would be unlikely to pony up the extra $3 million for KC.

Agent's Take: Von Miller headlines 2016 franchise tag candidates

excerpt:
The Redskins using a franchise tag on Cousins seems farfetched at this moment. If Cousins can consistently perform like he does at home over the last seven games, it could become a realistic possibility. Cousins is completing 75.7 percent of his passes for a 112.8 passer rating with 10 touchdowns and two interceptions in five home games. It's a different story for Cousins on the road. His passer rating is 66.3 while completing 59.8 percent of his passes with four touchdowns and seven interceptions.

 

[skinsdad62]

This article, written in November of 2015, suggests that it is unlikely that the Redskins would apply a franchise tag to KC, projected to be $19.8 million.

Considering the Redskins have $16 million sitting on the bench, I'm not sure why it would be unlikely to pony up the extra $3 million for KC.

Agent's Take: Von Miller headlines 2016 franchise tag candidates

excerpt:
The Redskins using a franchise tag on Cousins seems farfetched at this moment. If Cousins can consistently perform like he does at home over the last seven games, it could become a realistic possibility. Cousins is completing 75.7 percent of his passes for a 112.8 passer rating with 10 touchdowns and two interceptions in five home games. It's a different story for Cousins on the road. His passer rating is 66.3 while completing 59.8 percent of his passes with four touchdowns and seven interceptions.

the only way this is "farfetched " its because they believe KC will be signed before having to use the tag

the FT will be used if no agreement is reached

 

[Sharkinva]

we have cleaned that up with the smack talk thread and the fake screen names cant be done here , so yes the trolls are gone

I wouldnt say gone, but staying in their place for the most part.

 

[gkekoa]

Well, you've come up quite a bit from your original stance, but you're still too low.

My original stance was lower but I also stated I expected him to come down a little and not do what he did. I said it could go up based on performance.

 

[gkekoa]

Every QB has a stinker or two out there on film. As far as Kirk being better than Kaep or Stafford.... Kaep might actually be released, and once the niners defense shit the bed, so too did Kaep.

Stafford.... Kirk has out played him this season period.

Kirk outplayed Stafford in the second half. Stafford had more yards and TDs.

Kaepernick sux...always has...but based on winning Kaep was going to get more.

 

[Sharkinva]

Kirk outplayed Stafford in the second half. Stafford had more yards and TDs.

Kaepernick sux...always has...but based on winning Kaep was going to get more.

Kirk outplayed Stafford on the season. Stafford was benched at one point and many speculated this might have been his last season in Detroit at one point.

 

[gkekoa]

This season? Better than cutler and stafford? Don't know how you can't make that claim. What stats are you looking at? Did they lead their teams to the playoffs? I'm not saying that over the long haul, he is better, but he was more productive than either of those guys this year.

More productive than Cutler...agreed.

Stafford...look again. And Stafford has been one of the most productive QBs in history and was before he signed a huge contract. KC...8 games.

 

[gkekoa]

Kirk outplayed Stafford on the season. Stafford was benched at one point and many speculated this might have been his last season in Detroit at one point.

KC was almost benched and would have been if the play hadn't improved.

 

[Sharkinva]

KC was almost benched and would have been if the play hadn't improved.

When was Cousins EVER almost benched?? Now you might have thought he should have been benched after week six. But Gruden was true to his word, Kirk was going to start barring injury.

 

[Stymietee]

This is why there's no point in listing names that could be possible replacements for Kirk if he walks. No one has denied that he has done fairly well.....in this system......and that's the point. Comparing other players for their play this season vs him totally misses the point. The true question is how does any other player project when playing in JG's system. Looking at it from that perspective there are a number of guys who would perform just as well if not better. I know you guys want names that you can then shoot down basically because, if I'm understanding you all correctly, Kirk is irreplaceable. ( Just think of guys like McCarron and McGloin)

In as much as KC's contract is concerned Washington will not overpay the guy, that said I'm fairly sure that they are pretty comfortable with the FT which seems to be the more likely route. Unless there's a near deal right now, there's nothing to stop he and his reps from exploring the market. To me that's where it gets dicey, any team interested will start at FT numbers knowing that.....that will be the basis from which Washington must operate. If, as I suspect DC FT's him, they temporarily avert a bidding war and the risk of overpaying him, that is......until 2017.

I am curious though, what would overpaying look like from posters on this sites perspective?

 

[kcglasonion_1981]

And there in is the REAL issue here. I didnt mention Griffin. But he is closer to a one year wonder ala Foles than Cousins is. Both Foles and RG3 excelled in systems that were built on the system alone. And once the system got figured out, the player couldnt adjust in the case of Foles. The player just didnt want to run the system in the case of Griffin. Again IM not saying Cousins is a franchise QB (yet). But he doesnt rely on the system so much as the system fits his skill set. Griffin would no more succeed in this system than he would in the Patriots system. At worse Cousins is an average starting QB. But reality is, he has gotten better as the season progressed... and it aint because no one can figure out the system.

Kirk is definitely the real deal. His numbers will look even more gaudy next year. Just imagine a decent run game?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

This is why there's no point in listing names that could be possible replacements for Kirk if he walks. No one has denied that he has done fairly well.....in this system......and that's the point. Comparing other players for their play this season vs him totally misses the point. The true question is how does any other player project when playing in JG's system. Looking at it from that perspective there are a number of guys who would perform just as well if not better. I know you guys want names that you can then shoot down basically because, if I'm understanding you all correctly, Kirk is irreplaceable. ( Just think of guys like McCarron and McGloin)

In as much as KC's contract is concerned Washington will not overpay the guy, that said I'm fairly sure that they are pretty comfortable with the FT which seems to be the more likely route. Unless there's a near deal right now, there's nothing to stop he and his reps from exploring the market. To me that's where it gets dicey, any team interested will start at FT numbers knowing that.....that will be the basis from which Washington must operate. If, as I suspect DC FT's him, they temporarily avert a bidding war and the risk of overpaying him, that is......until 2017.

I am curious though, what would overpaying look like from posters on this sites perspective?

Fairly well - huh? OK. Jeez - you need to get over RG3 already. I know that you didn't specifically mention him, but I am guessing that you still believe that he should have a shot with this team. Oh well.

This will all get worked out, and Cousins will get a very good long term deal with the Redskins, and that is how it should be at this time. Is there risk? Sure - but these are the type of decisions that teams must make or else risk constantly looking for a new QB.

Did you notice that Cousins broke all type of team passing records and the others on the list are all QBs from 1991 and before? Why you do think that was the case? It was because this team has not had a truly good (non gimmick) QB during that time. They now finally have a chance to have one long term. You can't let that opportunity slip through your fingers & risk it for some unknown.

They will get this done - period.

 

[Sharkinva]

BY the way guys... the real question should not be is Kirk Irreplaceable. NO player is irreplaceable.

The question rather should be, is it worth setting the team back another 2-5 years because we want to quibble over a few million of Dan Snyders dollars?? Now I get it some of you would be apparently more than happy to see Kirk walk, and money would be your only plausible reason at this point. You can throw out names of guys who MIGHT do better, but reality is, guys get good by being in the same system over time. There isnt a young Peyton Manning just waiting for us to sign him.

 

[gkekoa]

Nobody is trying to save Dan money. Extra money spent on Kirk leaves less money to improve in other areas.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Nobody is trying to save Dan money. Extra money spent on Kirk leaves less money to improve in other areas.

I don't think that they are going to go super crazy on the money with Cousins, and I do believe that this will all end with a long term extension for Cousins. However - teams have to spend a large amt of money on their star QB regardless of the impact on other areas. I also believe that SM will be more than capable of figuring out how to address those other areas. This will not be a problem.

 

[Sharkinva]

Nobody is trying to save Dan money. Extra money spent on Kirk leaves less money to improve in other areas.

OK, so lets roll with that logic for a moment.

Say we let him walk and we pick up one of these journeyman whos names have been thrown out. Say we get a $5 million dollar a year place holder for a year. Do you really think the team is in a better position STILL chasing the QB ghost??

Facts here, getting rid of Griffin gives us $21.85 million in cap space BEFORE any roll over from this year. So lets round it to $25 million after roll over. Lets high ball it and Say Kirk gets the exact same deal Russell Wilson got.

Wilsons cap hit in 2015 was $7 million
His cap hit for 2016 is $18 million
IF the Seahawks decide to cut him after next season they would actually save $200k

So again using those numbers, Kirk would cost us $7 million in 2016 out of $25 million. So WHAT position do you think he would prevent us from addressing with $18 million in cap space in 2016 and STILL having $35 million in 2017 after Kirks deal??

Again if signing Kirk meant we would have $2 million left to round out the roster, I would agree we should consider cheaper options. But considering the fact that we are NOT in the market for another Haynesworth type deal in the first place.... your logic is slightly tilted on this one.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Pretty sure that whatever Cuz receives wil be in line with the going rate for starting QBs with protections and escalators for the team and Cuz.

Personally I'm thinking something in line with a Dalton/Tannehill style deal with 'current market inflation'

More than most fans would like but in line with the cap increasing and the market rate.

No agreement, franchise tag. But I sincerely believe that a contract will happen.

 

[redskinsfan]

OK, so lets roll with that logic for a moment.

Say we let him walk and we pick up one of these journeyman whos names have been thrown out. Say we get a $5 million dollar a year place holder for a year. Do you really think the team is in a better position STILL chasing the QB ghost??

Facts here, getting rid of Griffin gives us $21.85 million in cap space BEFORE any roll over from this year. So lets round it to $25 million after roll over. Lets high ball it and Say Kirk gets the exact same deal Russell Wilson got.

Wilsons cap hit in 2015 was $7 million
His cap hit for 2016 is $18 million
IF the Seahawks decide to cut him after next season they would actually save $200k

So again using those numbers, Kirk would cost us $7 million in 2016 out of $25 million. So WHAT position do you think he would prevent us from addressing with $18 million in cap space in 2016 and STILL having $35 million in 2017 after Kirks deal??

Again if signing Kirk meant we would have $2 million left to round out the roster, I would agree we should consider cheaper options. But considering the fact that we are NOT in the market for another Haynesworth type deal in the first place.... your logic is slightly tilted on this one.

I think you're missing Sty's sleeper pick for Kirk's replacement --> the guy's actually on our roster and his name doesn't rhyme with Dolt.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Pretty sure that whatever Cuz receives wil be in line with the going rate for starting QBs with protections and escalators for the team and Cuz.

Personally I'm thinking something in line with a Dalton/Tannehill style deal with 'current market inflation'

More than most fans would like but in line with the cap increasing and the market rate.

No agreement, franchise tag. But I sincerely believe that a contract will happen.

Agree about the #s and actually at this pt I don't think that most fans would have any issue with this. You have to consider Cousins play during the last half of the season when he has basically played as well as any QB in the NFL.