The Patriots latest cheating allegations a go-go super poll of plausible deniability

[Rock Strongo]

Considering this saga keeps running in circles, I have little to no thoughts, as it is a waste of time to ponder- especially regarding, of all things, deflated balls. Everything offered up as hard evidence so far doesn't quite hold up to hard scrutiny, at least for me; I'll say that much.

It's not irony for me, events like that happens all the time with powerful organizations who can manipulate the stories the media receives. Politicians do it the most. Maybe I am just numb to that shallowness at this point.

Regarding the recent leaks, see the bold.

thats fair

 

[tedman2012]

ne pats video guy was told to video the manning hand signals . maybe this is how the lb knew where the play was going before it happened . i bet rock will say that lb had esp . brady and all those wins vs manning was all cheats .

 

[tedman2012]

with roger destroying the evidence of spygate does it mean he should go to jail ?

 

[Manster7588]

I tried voting for A through E, but I not allowed multiple votes.

 

[Rock Strongo]

ne pats video guy was told to video the manning hand signals . maybe this is how the lb knew where the play was going before it happened . i bet rock will say that lb had esp . brady and all those wins vs manning was all cheats .

proof with links?

 

[Rock Strongo]

come on ladies, man up and vote

 

[Tgann69]

flick that area where your nuts should be, and vote.

I tried flicking the chin of Brady on ur profile pic. Didn't work?

 

[Rock Strongo]

I tried flicking the chin of Brady on ur profile pic. Didn't work?

so, your nuts are on bradys chin?

do you think before you type?

 

[PolarVortex]

so, your nuts are on bradys chin?

do you think before you type?

Hi Rock. It's me, Santa_Blade. How is our Thommy this morning?

 

[Rock Strongo]

Hi Rock. It's me, Santa_Blade. How is our Thommy this morning?

hi cotton malone, aka santa blade, aka dr pepper guy.

things are great!

 

[cdumler7]

Poor Rock still thinking everything has to be proven to the point of holding up in the court of law. Right now we know that 19 of the 32 teams have admitted to taking extra precautions when they play the Patriots. We know that teams called the Seahawks to warn them about the cheating the Patriots have tried to pull in the past. We know that the Patriots when wanting to break into a team's locker room found out they had padlocked the door and threatened to call the fire chief over it.

At this point even if there is no flat out physical evidence (because it was destroyed) there is still plenty of other things going on that point to plenty of fans, teams, and owners who all believe the Patriots are cheaters.

 

[PolarVortex]

hi cotton malone, aka santa blade, aka dr pepper guy.

things are great!

Glad to hear it. Ready for tomorrow? It's gonna be a shoot out, I think. May not have been much of a contest if Browner and Rivas were still in your backfield. Their replacement are not getting a soft landing. But the absence of Le'Veon Bell and homefield should give the Pats the edge.

 

[jarntt]

too late to add "all of the above"?

 

[PolarVortex]

Poor Rock still thinking everything has to be proven to the point of holding up in the court of law. Right now we know that 19 of the 32 teams have admitted to taking extra precautions when they play the Patriots. We know that teams called the Seahawks to warn them about the cheating the Patriots have tried to pull in the past. We know that the Patriots when wanting to break into a team's locker room found out they had padlocked the door and threatened to call the fire chief over it.

At this point even if there is no flat out physical evidence (because it was destroyed) there is still plenty of other things going on that point to plenty of fans, teams, and owners who all believe the Patriots are cheaters.

There was no cheating in the superbowl.
If all these teams seemingly know how the Pats operate and have not taken counter measures to protecct their information/strategy, then their lack of success is on them, not the Pats.

 

[cdumler7]

There was no cheating in the superbowl.
If all these teams seemingly know how the Pats operate and have not taken counter measures to protecct their information/strategy, then their lack of success is on them, not the Pats.

I did not say that there was cheating in the Super Bowl. I said that other teams called the Seahawks to warn them to take extra precautions which is exactly what they did.

Also teams shouldn't have to take extra precautions to stop another team from cheating. They all know the rules and what is actually expected within a gentleman's understanding. A team shouldn't have to worry about the opposing team sneaking in and stealing game sheets. A team shouldn't have to worry about their locker room being bugged. Actually all those things are criminal charges. From the sound of it other teams are tired of it which is why Deflategate was pushed so hard by the other owners.

 

[mall3013]

 

[cdumler7]

There was no cheating in the superbowl.
If all these teams seemingly know how the Pats operate and have not taken counter measures to protecct their information/strategy, then their lack of success is on them, not the Pats.

Why should 31 other teams have to cater to the shenanigans of 1? I mean this would be like at a regular job where one employee is stealing, lying, and whatever else they can get away with and management telling you that it is your responsibility to lock up all of your things to make sure this one person doesn't steal it. The person stealing, lying, cheating would be fired at a regular job.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Glad to hear it. Ready for tomorrow? It's gonna be a shoot out, I think. May not have been much of a contest if Browner and Rivas were still in your backfield. Their replacement are not getting a soft landing. But the absence of Le'Veon Bell and homefield should give the Pats the edge.

it will be fun. close first half, pats pull away in the 2nd.

pats 42 steelers 23

 

[Delphic1]

Patriots cheated. There could be many other ways they cheated other than the two times they were caught. Does it matter now? They will still have 4 SBs, Belichick and Brady will still be first ballot HOFers. Only thing that can happen is they will be scrutinized more, and much more than any other team. It is quite obvious that the league has turned against them.

I did not vote. Let's get back to football, Rock. Final predictions? Don't give me the BS score of 62-10 or something saying that the Pats are pissed, Brady wants revenge, etc.

I say 34-17 Pats.

 

[cerealboi]

I did not say that there was cheating in the Super Bowl. I said that other teams called the Seahawks to warn them to take extra precautions which is exactly what they did.

Also teams shouldn't have to take extra precautions to stop another team from cheating. They all know the rules and what is actually expected within a gentleman's understanding. A team shouldn't have to worry about the opposing team sneaking in and stealing game sheets. A team shouldn't have to worry about their locker room being bugged. Actually all those things are criminal charges. From the sound of it other teams are tired of it which is why Deflategate was pushed so hard by the other owners.

What should teams do to stop the Broncos from cheating?

PED/Substance abusers:

• DL Daryl Gardener (2003)
• LB Lee Flowers (2003)
• WR Adrian Madise (2004)
• P Todd Sauerbrun (2006)
• DE Kenny Peterson (2007)
• TE Virgil Green (2012)
• LB D.J. Williams (2012)
• DT Ryan McBean (2012)
• G Quentin Saulsberry (2012)
• LB Von Miller (2013) - Substance abuse, but cheated urine collection system
• WR Wes Welker (2014)
• DE Derek Wolfe (2015)

Cap avoidance:


On September 17, 2004, the league announced that, for the second time in three years, the Denver Broncos were fined nearly a million dollars and would, once again, lose their third-round draft pick because of salary cap violations between 1996 and 1998.

Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis contended that the Broncos' circumvention of the salary cap helped them win the Super Bowl in the 1997 and 1998 seasons.


Spygate:

In 2010, the Broncos self-reported that former team director of video operations Steve Scarnecchia had videotaped a portion of the San Francisco walk-through practice before a game between the two teams in London. The Broncos were fined $50,000 for the violation and former head coach Josh McDaniels was fined $50,000 for not reporting it.

How it went down: on October 30, after the Denver players and most of the other team staff left their final walk-thru in Wembley Stadium, Scarnecchia remained behind to continue setting up his equipment for the next day. At one point he noticed that the 49ers were conducting their walk-thru practice, and he surreptitiously recorded a portion of it.


Slimegate (1998):

The NFL fined three Denver Broncos offensive linemen $5,000 apiece for using a foreign substance on their arms which made it harder for defenders to get a grip. Denver players Brian Habib, Gary Zimmerman and Mark Schlereth applied Vaseline on their arms during their 1998 AFC divisional playoff victory in frigid Kansas City, admitted Denver head coach Mike Shanahan.

Shanahan said that he convinced the NFL to drop $5,000 fines levied against Tom Nalen and Tony Jones for the same offense and that he would appeal the other three. Said Shanahan: "Any time you use a foreign substance, it's subject to a fine. The question is whether Vaseline is considered a foreign substance when it's very cold weather.'


Contractgate (1981):

The Denver Broncos forfeited a third-round draft pick for contract violations involving defensive back Bill Thompson.


Injurygate:

In 2003, NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue chose not to punish Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan for lying about the extent of Denver quarterback Jake Plummer's injury. The Broncos initially said Plummer sustained a concussion in the second quarter of Sunday's 37-13 win over the San Diego Chargers. After the game, Shanahan announced his quarterback had a separated right shoulder.

Shanahan said that he lied because the Chargers would have had an advantage if backup Steve Beuerlein got hurt and Plummer had to re-enter the game. Denver carries just two quarterbacks. The league did not fine the Broncos for this admitted lie, but it did trigger a leaguewide memo to all teams to be more truthful.