obama vs'the redskins

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Obama says if you want a team in dc you must change your name .. king obama is way out of line lol what a joke

 

[skinsdad62]

he is on his way out who cares ?

 

[reptec101]

F--K Hussein Obama. Sick of all his "it's offensive" bullshit about every f--king thing. If we can't get a republican in office this country is going down the pisser.

 

[Stymietee]

Hahahahahaha................always leave 'em laughing, huh guys?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Obama administration rebuffs D.C.s efforts to bring back the Redskins - The Washington Post

First of all - it is not Obama making that statement - it is his relic of a Interior Secretary Sally Jewel. Her statements are laughable.

Do you really think that Snyder & co are worried about not having the opportunity to move back to DC (which cannot happen for quite a while anyhow)? If they are threatened they simply move on to suitors in either Virginia or Maryland who will gladly accommodate them name & all.

Again - regardless of your position on the name - this is yet another windbag politician trying to get their 15 minutes of fame & I would bet good money that if Native Americans came to the door of most of these folks asking for donations they would be told to take a hike. Laughable.

 

[redskinsfan]

It may not be Obama himself making the statement, but it most definitely reflects his views. If Jewell really was saying something out of line with his thinking on a pretty controversial issue like the REDSKINS name, you can be sure that he'd correct her on it.

Whatever the case may be, screw anyone who doesn't want to accommodate us. Virginia's Democratic Governor has more than laid out the welcome mat, and that's where we should be.

Hail to the REDSKINS!

 

[SoCalWizFan]

It may not be Obama himself making the statement, but it most definitely reflects his views. If Jewell really was saying something out of line with his thinking on a pretty controversial issue like the REDSKINS name, you can be sure that he'd correct her on it.

Whatever the case may be, screw anyone who doesn't want to accommodate us. Virginia's Democratic Governor has more than laid out the welcome mat, and that's where we should be.

Hail to the REDSKINS!

Amen to that. Assuming that they are careful to address traffic & other potential issue you would think that No Virginia would be a natural location. The team already trains in VA, most players live there & a large % of the fan base lives there.

Again - this won't happen for a while, but potential suitors are certainly not helping themselves by badmouthing the same team that they are trying to entice to locate at their location. I realize that Jewel & Obama are not part of the DC govt, but I thought that they would at least consider helping out the location where they currently reside. Who am I kidding - Obama is a freaking Chicago fan anyhow.

 

[Stymietee]

It may not be Obama himself making the statement, but it most definitely reflects his views. If Jewell really was saying something out of line with his thinking on a pretty controversial issue like the REDSKINS name, you can be sure that he'd correct her on it.

Whatever the case may be, screw anyone who doesn't want to accommodate us. Virginia's Democratic Governor has more than laid out the welcome mat, and that's where we should be.

Hail to the REDSKINS!

Rephrase........accommodate us on our terms or not at all, I'm guessing that contractual agreements just aren't what they once were huh? In the end if Snyder wants his team in DC proper, some sort of compromise will make that possible. If the name change is a deal breaker then he won't get a deal anywhere where there are objections without agreeable terms.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Rephrase........accommodate us on our terms or not at all, I'm guessing that contractual agreements just aren't what they once were huh? In the end if Snyder wants his team in DC proper, some sort of compromise will make that possible. If the name change is a deal breaker then he won't get a deal anywhere where there are objections without agreeable terms.

Why would Snyder care that much about moving the team to DC? Tradition? Big deal - the only real tradition that matters is winning & that is the basic reason why the RFK teams were fondly remembered - not because of RFK which in many ways was a dump.

Again - No. Virginia is where the training facility is located & where many of the players and coaches live. More important probably the majority of the fan base lives in Virginia. No need for the Redskins to compromise - they will just tell DC to get lost & move on to another location in Virginia or Maryland. No way will the name be a deal breaker in Virginia.

BTW - the Redskins current lease at FedEx still has 12 years remaining on it.

 

[Stymietee]

QUOTE="SoCalWizFan, post: 6844943, member: 5399"]Why would Snyder care that much about moving the team to DC? Tradition? Big deal - the only real tradition that matters is winning & that is the basic reason why the RFK teams were fondly remembered - not because of RFK which in many ways was a dump.

Again - No. Virginia is where the training facility is located & where many of the players and coaches live. More important probably the majority of the fan base lives in Virginia. No need for the Redskins to compromise - they will just tell DC to get lost & move on to another location in Virginia or Maryland. No way will the name be a deal breaker in Virginia.

BTW - the Redskins current lease at FedEx still has 12 years remaining on it.[/QUOTE]

There are many reasons beyond tradition why Snyder would want his team in the city. Among them are the gentrified demographic changes that are currently ongoing bringing many of those fans here and solving any transportation issues. Another is his dream to bring the Olympic games here. Selling Northern Virginia to the Olympic decision makers is a hellava lot harder than DC (Nation's Capital) That's just two, there are many others, but like you've stated that's still some time away unless he buys out of his current contract.

 

[redskinsfan]

QUOTE="SoCalWizFan, post: 6844943, member: 5399"]Why would Snyder care that much about moving the team to DC? Tradition? Big deal - the only real tradition that matters is winning & that is the basic reason why the RFK teams were fondly remembered - not because of RFK which in many ways was a dump.

Again - No. Virginia is where the training facility is located & where many of the players and coaches live. More important probably the majority of the fan base lives in Virginia. No need for the Redskins to compromise - they will just tell DC to get lost & move on to another location in Virginia or Maryland. No way will the name be a deal breaker in Virginia.

BTW - the Redskins current lease at FedEx still has 12 years remaining on it.

There are many reasons beyond tradition why Snyder would want his team in the city. Among them are the gentrified demographic changes that are currently ongoing bringing many of those fans here and solving any transportation issues. Another is his dream to bring the Olympic games here. Selling Northern Virginia to the Olympic decision makers is a hellava lot harder than DC (Nation's Capital) That's just two, there are many others, but like you've stated that's still some time away unless he buys out of his current contract.[/QUOTE]

Snyder is a whore for the economics of football and the Redskins. But one thing he won't bend on is the team name. As much as I have issues with Dan, thank God for him on that. The Redskins are going to make him plenty of money no matter what. And it's looking like Virginia is going to provide him the best option for doing so. Whether that's in Loudoun County or elsewhere, some lucky city in the Old Dominion is going to turn up gangbusters when Snyder ultimately decides to relocate the team there. Hell, why not Richmond? It would be the biggest EFF YOU to the name change proponents. Indeed, not only would the Redskins get to keep their name, they'd do it in the former capital of the Confederacy. It's really refreshing to see power brokers in Virginia, no matter what their political stripes are, welcoming the Redskins (back home).

 

[Stymietee]

There are many reasons beyond tradition why Snyder would want his team in the city. Among them are the gentrified demographic changes that are currently ongoing bringing many of those fans here and solving any transportation issues. Another is his dream to bring the Olympic games here. Selling Northern Virginia to the Olympic decision makers is a hellava lot harder than DC (Nation's Capital) That's just two, there are many others, but like you've stated that's still some time away unless he buys out of his current contract.

Snyder is a whore for the economics of football and the Redskins. But one thing he won't bend on is the team name. As much as I have issues with Dan, thank God for him on that. The Redskins are going to make him plenty of money no matter what. And it's looking like Virginia is going to provide him the best option for doing so. Whether that's in Loudoun County or elsewhere, some lucky city in the Old Dominion is going to turn up gangbusters when Snyder ultimately decides to relocate the team there. Hell, why not Richmond? It would be the biggest EFF YOU to the name change proponents. Indeed, not only would the Redskins get to keep their name, they'd do it in the former capital of the Confederacy. It's really refreshing to see power brokers in Virginia, no matter what their political stripes are, welcoming the Redskins (back home).[/QUOTE]

Funny that you see him as an economic whore and inflexible on an issue that would surely make him Billions more if he caved to it.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

There are many reasons beyond tradition why Snyder would want his team in the city. Among them are the gentrified demographic changes that are currently ongoing bringing many of those fans here and solving any transportation issues. Another is his dream to bring the Olympic games here. Selling Northern Virginia to the Olympic decision makers is a hellava lot harder than DC (Nation's Capital) That's just two, there are many others, but like you've stated that's still some time away unless he buys out of his current contract.[/QUOTE]


Perhaps. However - this isn't basketball or hockey where you need to tweak everything to ensure maximum attendance. If the Redskins are winning they well sell out - period and will do well for most of the season even if they are not doing great. This is the NFL & we are only talking about 8 regular season games. Also - perhaps Snyder doesn't want to have optimal public transportation since he makes a fortune off parking.

Even if the stadium was in No. Virginia you could still sell the Olympics as being in DC. The Olympics require many facilities stretched across an entire metro area. I truly believe that you are overstating the case for DC. I would bet quite a bit that the Redskins will not be in DC anytime in the next 20-25 years especially if one of the prerequisites is changing the name.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Funny that you see him as an economic whore and inflexible on an issue that would surely make him Billions more if he caved to it.[/QUOTE]


Billions more? Exagerate much?

 

[redskinsfan]

Snyder is a whore for the economics of football and the Redskins. But one thing he won't bend on is the team name. As much as I have issues with Dan, thank God for him on that. The Redskins are going to make him plenty of money no matter what. And it's looking like Virginia is going to provide him the best option for doing so. Whether that's in Loudoun County or elsewhere, some lucky city in the Old Dominion is going to turn up gangbusters when Snyder ultimately decides to relocate the team there. Hell, why not Richmond? It would be the biggest EFF YOU to the name change proponents. Indeed, not only would the Redskins get to keep their name, they'd do it in the former capital of the Confederacy. It's really refreshing to see power brokers in Virginia, no matter what their political stripes are, welcoming the Redskins (back home).

Funny that you see him as an economic whore and inflexible on an issue that would surely make him Billions more if he caved to it.[/QUOTE]

Hardly billions more. And you can look at his 'inflexible' stance in a pro-economic angle: sticking by his guns will galvanize the Redskins fan base, who have been understandably reticent to pay for Redskins merchandise given the crap product that's been put on the field as of late. Setting that aside, there are things more important than money. And this is one of them.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Funny that you see him as an economic whore and inflexible on an issue that would surely make him Billions more if he caved to it.

Hardly billions more. And you can look at his 'inflexible' stance in a pro-economic angle: sticking by his guns will galvanize the Redskins fan base, who have been understandably reticent to pay for Redskins merchandise given the crap product that's been put on the field as of late. Setting that aside, there are things more important than money. And this is one of them.[/QUOTE]

If this team is successful again in the next few years I truly believe that Redskins merchandise sales will go through the roof. It is actually the opposite of the claims of many protesters. I run into many people who basically state that they are not Redskins fans yet they 100% support not changing the name & respect the stance. Whether right or wrong there are tons of people in this camp.

I don't think Snyder nor his kids or grandkids ever have to worry about money.

 

[Stymietee]

Hardly billions more. And you can look at his 'inflexible' stance in a pro-economic angle: sticking by his guns will galvanize the Redskins fan base, who have been understandably reticent to pay for Redskins merchandise given the crap product that's been put on the field as of late. Setting that aside, there are things more important than money. And this is one of them.

If this team is successful again in the next few years I truly believe that Redskins merchandise sales will go through the roof. It is actually the opposite of the claims of many protesters. I run into many people who basically state that they are not Redskins fans yet they 100% support not changing the name & respect the stance. Whether right or wrong there are tons of people in this camp.

I don't think Snyder nor his kids or grandkids ever have to worry about money.[/QUOTE]

He's already sticking to his stance, unless I missed it sales of merchandise hasn't spiked. Secondarily, wouldn't we actually see a spike in sales if the name changed? More so if as you state the team becomes more successful on the field.

On your other point, Everyone encounters people who support their particulat POV. That said, I have talked to many many folks who say the name should be changed, especially in light of the confederate battle flag BS. Reluctance is not reason, just an excuse.

 

[redskinsfan]

If this team is successful again in the next few years I truly believe that Redskins merchandise sales will go through the roof. It is actually the opposite of the claims of many protesters. I run into many people who basically state that they are not Redskins fans yet they 100% support not changing the name & respect the stance. Whether right or wrong there are tons of people in this camp.

I don't think Snyder nor his kids or grandkids ever have to worry about money.

He's already sticking to his stance, unless I missed it sales of merchandise hasn't spiked. Secondarily, wouldn't we actually see a spike in sales if the name changed? More so if as you state the team becomes more successful on the field.

On your other point, Everyone encounters people who support their particulat POV. That said, I have talked to many many folks who say the name should be changed, especially in light of the confederate battle flag BS. Reluctance is not reason, just an excuse.[/QUOTE]

You missed the point. He's stuck by his guns ever since he's owned the team. If he decided to cave, he'd lose far more fans than he'd ever gain. And those opposed to the name are hardly football fans to begin with, much less Redskins fans. And it's not reluctance at all. It's being right. And that's not an excuse.

 

[skinsdad62]

look guys you are debating a guy who wants a PC name change . DC is a unique city in the world because its financing ETC comes directly from congress. putting the team in DC allows the federal govt to put conditions on things

i am sick and tired of people being "offended" by something the 1st amendment protects free speech and if you are offended by something then dont support it . but that isnt enough , people want to surpress your rights as well if you dont see it they way the want you too

everything about the redskins history is lost when you change the name . you end up blotting out old NFL fims with the name on it and blurping out the play calls . HOF bust have to be changed , record books get changed everything

this crap about making billions of dollars is hog wash . snyder or any owner has more money then he or she can spend .

and yes they are many people like me who would say i am not spending my time , emotion or dollars on a sell out . i dropped the bullets in a heart beat because of PC BS and the skins are way bigger then they will ever be

i am tired of the thought , mind word police controlling everything

trust me the power you are giving these people will eventually hit home to something you care about and the toon you are singing will change

in the end snyder wont put a team anywhere he believes the team name will be forced to change and the idiots in DC will cut their collective noses off to spite their face

 

[Stymietee]

Funny that you see him as an economic whore and inflexible on an issue that would surely make him Billions more if he caved to it.

Billions more? Exagerate much?[/QUOTE]

Nope, Snyder is only 50 years old, if he lives to the ripe old age of 75 conservatively speaking, he will easily rake in a couple knots especially if he reboots the product and his franchise become a winning one. Keep in mind that merchandising includes naming rights as well as products.