Turns out Shark had it right all along!!!

[enkay21]

This Stymietee guy appears to be an idiot.

 

[Kevin12773]

This Stymietee guy appears to be an idiot.

But he is the conscious of the organization from Snyder down to the copy boy he knows how things should work. Congrats

 

[Stymietee]

Give me a king sized break. Go read your opening post again. You were calling for Gruden to bench RGIII for this game because this announcement came via a Tweet from Griff. Now you are claiming this isn't about RGIII? You have to do better than that.

Guess you entirely skipped over the part of my opening post that qualified that proposed move with "if true" huh? If you want a king sized break, don't give the impression that you can read, but your comprehensive skills are lacking.

 

[Stymietee]

This Stymietee guy appears to be an idiot.

You've perfectly described quite a few posters here with your use of the word "appears." This is especially true with respects to those who respond to assumptions and appearances instead of facts!

 

[skinz2winz]

Gruden is running this show and if he said RG3 is healthy and will return this week to start then that's what it will be. It won't be another unnamed source making that decision.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Guess you entirely skipped over the part of my opening post that qualified that proposed move with "if true" huh? If you want a king sized break, don't give the impression that you can read, but your comprehensive skills are lacking.

Hey I'm not the one getting ripped a new one by every poster in this thread with the exception of Shark, and he's clearly on one side of this topic. If it wasn't about Griff then why suggest he be benched? That's a pretty bold thing to say and "If true" doesn't change a damn thing, you clearly are targeting Griff and everyone has called you out on it.

 

[Sharkinva]

Hey I'm not the one getting ripped a new one by every poster in this thread with the exception of Shark. If it wasn't about Griff then why suggest he be benched? "If true" doesn't change a damn thing, you clearly are targeting Griff and everyone has called you out on it.

And we will have NONE of that damn it. None I tell you.

 

[skinsdad62]

i think if you could put some of colts pocket presence into Rg3's athletic gifts we could have something

look my position is easy . if he is healthy play him if not dont rush him back

as for the organization i think russi made the hole thing up and simply made a guess

if Rg3 starts he will be rusty and will struggle with reads and execution patience will be needed

hopefully we can win the next 2 games with him getting it together and then he will be on vs the 49ers and colts

 

[Stymietee]

Hey I'm not the one getting ripped a new one by every poster in this thread with the exception of Shark, and he's clearly on one side of this topic. If it wasn't about Griff then why suggest he be benched? That's a pretty bold thing to say and "If true" doesn't change a damn thing, you clearly are targeting Griff and everyone has called you out on it.

If you believe that I'm being ripped a new one, then you clearly have no idea what adversarial conversation entails. I do not see what you're implying because it is a very weak person who crumbles in the face of opposition. My whole "if true" position still holds, don't try to make light of it because, If the sources hold firm to their earlier reporting that it was indeed RGIII who first tweeted that he would start, then that alone is reason to bench him.

Big fan of RGIII, have stated so in the past. That said, either you are too young to have experienced, or do not remember a time under this regime where players were allowed to backstab their coaches by going to the owner or media sources. NO MORE OF THAT SHIT!!!! As I stated if the HC has been undercut by "sources inside the organization" then there needs to be some sort of reckoning for that, I don't give a damn whether I am the only one standing up for doing the correct thing by this organization. I am not in the mood nor have the inclination to see this team continue to be the laughing stock of the NFL!!!

BTW: Guess I'm not the only one with this opinion, as it was a topic of discussion on today's radio airwaves.

 

[KickSaveDave]

I dunno fellas, I think Stymie has a point here, and its not about RGIII. Its about the fact that the decision that RGIII was going to start was "leaked out" by "several tweets" rather than being announced by the HC. That's got nothing to do with RGIII, its about Gruden, and how tight of a ship he's running. So to that point I see what Stymie is saying here. The "message" coming out of Redskins Park is not well managed, its not highly coordinated and controlled. It appears players, or maybe assistant coaches, are "tweeting" stuff that is typically reserved for the HC to announce. It may not be a big deal, but try to imagine how Bill Belichek would handle a situation like this. Also recall how much things like this - players controlling the message - impacted our collective view of Shanny and the chaos that surrounded so many of his critical decisions in his last year - when to start RGIII, when he benched him, the desire to not run the RO... all that stuff was the "message" creeping out without much control from the HC.

All I can say is, it ranges from either not a huge problem, to a subtle sign that there is a lack of leadership which is a huge problem, but I have a hard time seeing things like this happening and think "oh, its just nothing, players tweet these days". Well, not if the HC tells them to keep their trap shut about it. Or not if they don't respect what the HC wants them to say. Either way, it doesn't look great. It looks disorganized. Has nothing to do with RGIII other than he's the subject of the message. The real issue is the message delivery, not the subject.

 

[sublime4eva]

Not a problem at all, we live in a media driven world now so get used to it.

 

[sublime4eva]

I'm going to the game in SF...
I'm hoping it means something by then, we'll see

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I dunno fellas, I think Stymie has a point here, and its not about RGIII. Its about the fact that the decision that RGIII was going to start was "leaked out" by "several tweets" rather than being announced by the HC. That's got nothing to do with RGIII, its about Gruden, and how tight of a ship he's running. So to that point I see what Stymie is saying here. The "message" coming out of Redskins Park is not well managed, its not highly coordinated and controlled. It appears players, or maybe assistant coaches, are "tweeting" stuff that is typically reserved for the HC to announce. It may not be a big deal, but try to imagine how Bill Belichek would handle a situation like this. Also recall how much things like this - players controlling the message - impacted our collective view of Shanny and the chaos that surrounded so many of his critical decisions in his last year - when to start RGIII, when he benched him, the desire to not run the RO... all that stuff was the "message" creeping out without much control from the HC.

All I can say is, it ranges from either not a huge problem, to a subtle sign that there is a lack of leadership which is a huge problem, but I have a hard time seeing things like this happening and think "oh, its just nothing, players tweet these days". Well, not if the HC tells them to keep their trap shut about it. Or not if they don't respect what the HC wants them to say. Either way, it doesn't look great. It looks disorganized. Has nothing to do with RGIII other than he's the subject of the message. The real issue is the message delivery, not the subject.

While I agree that the word should have come from Gruden I also agree that it's almost impossible not to have stuff like this leak out.

Back to Sty's post again it was most definitely a shot at Griffin. "if true Griffin should be benched" is not a shot at the organization, it's a shot at Griffin. There is no other way to look at it. As for my comment about getting ripped a new one here I'm under the impression that if someone is being called an idiot he is getting punked on a message board. But maybe he's used to it so it's no big deal to him.

 

[j_y19]

I dunno fellas, I think Stymie has a point here, and its not about RGIII. Its about the fact that the decision that RGIII was going to start was "leaked out" by "several tweets" rather than being announced by the HC. That's got nothing to do with RGIII, its about Gruden, and how tight of a ship he's running. So to that point I see what Stymie is saying here. The "message" coming out of Redskins Park is not well managed, its not highly coordinated and controlled. It appears players, or maybe assistant coaches, are "tweeting" stuff that is typically reserved for the HC to announce. It may not be a big deal, but try to imagine how Bill Belichek would handle a situation like this. Also recall how much things like this - players controlling the message - impacted our collective view of Shanny and the chaos that surrounded so many of his critical decisions in his last year - when to start RGIII, when he benched him, the desire to not run the RO... all that stuff was the "message" creeping out without much control from the HC.

All I can say is, it ranges from either not a huge problem, to a subtle sign that there is a lack of leadership which is a huge problem, but I have a hard time seeing things like this happening and think "oh, its just nothing, players tweet these days". Well, not if the HC tells them to keep their trap shut about it. Or not if they don't respect what the HC wants them to say. Either way, it doesn't look great. It looks disorganized. Has nothing to do with RGIII other than he's the subject of the message. The real issue is the message delivery, not the subject.

But the point was that it wasn't leaked out by any tweet. A local sports reporter first reported it from "unnamed sources". Well who the hell is that? How do we know it wasn't just her speculating by the known fact that he is taking snaps with the 1st team? So Stymiee jumped the gun and then questioned Gurden's leadership and called for the benching of RG3. If he would have just come out and said that, "oops, I jumped the gun, my bad", this post would have had about 10 responses. But then he dug in and started the questioning of anyone's reading comprehension when the called him out.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

But the point was that it wasn't leaked out by any tweet. A local sports reporter first reported it from "unnamed sources". Well who the hell is that? How do we know it wasn't just her speculating by the known fact that he is taking snaps with the 1st team? So Stymiee jumped the gun and then questioned Gurden's leadership and called for the benching of RG3. If he would have just come out and said that, "oops, I jumped the gun, my bad", this post would have had about 10 responses. But then he dug in and started the questioning of anyone's reading comprehension when the called him out.

This is the way I see it as well as would most clear thinking folks I would think.

Again I don't mean to be so aggressive on this board. It's really not my nature although you would have no way of believing that. I'm just so done with all the "fans" taking shot after shot at Robert Griffin. It's getting really old and I'm just tired of it. And as both of us have pointed out this thread was not a shot at the organization, it was a shot at the QB. "If true" does not change a thing. This thread was started to trash Griffin over a rumor, a rumor that appears to not have any basis at this point in time.

 

[KickSaveDave]

But the point was that it wasn't leaked out by any tweet. A local sports reporter first reported it from "unnamed sources". Well who the hell is that? How do we know it wasn't just her speculating by the known fact that he is taking snaps with the 1st team? So Stymiee jumped the gun and then questioned Gurden's leadership and called for the benching of RG3. If he would have just come out and said that, "oops, I jumped the gun, my bad", this post would have had about 10 responses. But then he dug in and started the questioning of anyone's reading comprehension when the called him out.

This is the way I see it as well as would most clear thinking folks I would think.

Again I don't mean to be so aggressive on this board. It's really not my nature although you would have no way of believing that. I'm just so done with all the "fans" taking shot after shot at Robert Griffin. It's getting really old and I'm just tired of it. And as both of us have pointed out this thread was not a shot at the organization, it was a shot at the QB. "If true" does not change a thing. This thread was started to trash Griffin over a rumor, a rumor that appears to not have any basis at this point in time.

You guys are kinda missing the point. Un-named tweets, or "anonymous sources" are basically the same thing, and the point still stands that the message isn't being controlled by Gruden. It speaks to how much control Gruden has over his players and coaches. Again, I'm not automatically running out saying the sky is falling because of this one thing, but it sure does seem like business as usual at Redskins Park.

Dave, I'm not supportive of benching RGIII as a result of this communication storm, but it still wasn't a shot at RGIII. It was a shot at Gruden, suggesting that if he really wants to show he's in charge and he's making the decisions, that's the way he should do it with this particular issue. Stymie wasn't saying to bench RGIII because of hatred for RGIII, he was saying it so that Gruden can show that he's in charge, not the unnamed tweeters or the anonymous sources.


Granted, if the reporter was making it all up, this is all moot, but I have a hard time thinking it was all made up. Some form of anonymous inside source fed her some sort of info... thus, the message is not under control and Redskins Park is still a leaky ship. Gruden hardly denies the story although he tried to put his own spin on it to maintain some semblance of being in control. Business as usual at Redskins Park.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Although you are making it much clearer than the opening poster Kick anytime I see 'bench Griffin" I take that literally and it is most definitely a shot at the QB. If not then why suggest he be benched if he has been cleared to play? So the coach can flex his muscles to show who's boss by punishing his QB? That's silly, he suggested Griff be benched because, IF TRUE, he is blaming Griffin. And that is most definitely a shot at Griffin as others have noticed as well.

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[GNG]

I see 'bench Griffin" I take that literally and it is most definitely a shot at the QB. If not then why suggest he be benched if he has been cleared to play?

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Racism involved?

 

[KickSaveDave]

Although you are making it much clearer than the opening poster Kick anytime I see 'bench Griffin" I take that literally and it is most definitely a shot at the QB. If not then why suggest he be benched if he has been cleared to play? So the coach can flex his muscles to show who's boss by punishing his QB? That's silly, he suggested Griff be benched because, IF TRUE, he is blaming Griffin. And that is most definitely a shot at Griffin as others have noticed as well.

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Sigh... You're interpreting "bench Griffin" as a dig on Griffin when its not intended that way. I'm not in agreement that benching Griffin to show the world that Gruden is in charge is the proper approach, but that is how its intended by Stymie, I believe. Griffin's ego would be the unfortunate collateral damage to such a move, which is why I'm not in favor of it, but its not intended to say "Griffin sucks" or "Griffin belongs on the bench"... its intended to say "Gruden is in charge" and nothing more. So you're reading some thing that isn't what was intended there.

With that said, lets say Griffin is the anonymous source? Griff practices with the first teams all week, he's been itching to get back in there, so he tweets to his person that he's gonna start before Gruden has made the decision yet. Now its all in the news, and Gruden either has to start him, or walk back the story and make it look like Griff isn't ready, or Gruden simply starts him anyway and loses a little more control. I get this is full blown CSI shit here, I know its hypothetical. But if you are the HC and you learn that your QB leaks out he's starting before you've made up your mind, what course of action would you follow to show the QB who's boss? Or would you just let it all slide and show the QB that he's actually your boss?


See what I'm getting at? If the HC isn't the boss, then who is? If players are sending messages about who's starting, who's making those decisions? Its been a circus at Redskins PArk for 15 years, and this is an example of it. The chain of command is poorly defined. The inmates are running the asylum. The players have a backdoor to Snyder... or a backdoor to the media... or the HC (or GM) is just a puppet... these are the stories that swirl around Redskins Park for Snyder's whole tenure. Having anonymous sources making the starting QB announcements is nothing more than a continuation of that circus. Benching RGIII would send a message that Jay Gruden is in charge and he makes those decisions, not the players. I totally get what Stymie was saying there and it really has nothing to do with RGIII, unless RGIII was actually the secret source, in which case he SHOULD be benched for undermining his HC's authority.

I just want the circus to stop. I don't care how it stops, I want to see REAL leadership, and I still don't see it.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Sigh... You're interpreting "bench Griffin" as a dig on Griffin when its not intended that way. I'm not in agreement that benching Griffin to show the world that Gruden is in charge is the proper approach, but that is how its intended by Stymie, I believe. Griffin's ego would be the unfortunate collateral damage to such a move, which is why I'm not in favor of it, but its not intended to say "Griffin sucks" or "Griffin belongs on the bench"... its intended to say "Gruden is in charge" and nothing more. So you're reading some thing that isn't what was intended there.

With that said, lets say Griffin is the anonymous source? Griff practices with the first teams all week, he's been itching to get back in there, so he tweets to his person that he's gonna start before Gruden has made the decision yet. Now its all in the news, and Gruden either has to start him, or walk back the story and make it look like Griff isn't ready, or Gruden simply starts him anyway and loses a little more control. I get this is full blown CSI shit here, I know its hypothetical. But if you are the HC and you learn that your QB leaks out he's starting before you've made up your mind, what course of action would you follow to show the QB who's boss? Or would you just let it all slide and show the QB that he's actually your boss?


See what I'm getting at? If the HC isn't the boss, then who is? If players are sending messages about who's starting, who's making those decisions? Its been a circus at Redskins PArk for 15 years, and this is an example of it. The chain of command is poorly defined. The inmates are running the asylum. The players have a backdoor to Snyder... or a backdoor to the media... or the HC (or GM) is just a puppet... these are the stories that swirl around Redskins Park for Snyder's whole tenure. Having anonymous sources making the starting QB announcements is nothing more than a continuation of that circus. Benching RGIII would send a message that Jay Gruden is in charge and he makes those decisions, not the players. I totally get what Stymie was saying there and it really has nothing to do with RGIII, unless RGIII was actually the secret source, in which case he SHOULD be benched for undermining his HC's authority.

I just want the circus to stop. I don't care how it stops, I want to see REAL leadership, and I still don't see it.

Regarding the first paragraph either Sty was taking a shot at Griff or he was offering a stupid suggestion. Those are my choice?

Regarding the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs.....uh I stopped reading after the start of paragraph 2 because I'm done arguing the whole CSI thing and I just got here! We have no idea who the source was and it really doesn't matter. Leaks happen everywhere. While I agree it shouldn't happen it's not worth arguing over. Bottom line is the starting QB is healthy, has been cleared to play, and he should start on Sunday. That's all that really matters.