Changes are coming, will these guys be back?

[NBKLee]

Listening to KNBR, they are reporting, that Woj on twitter has "inside info" that Jackson and Lacob are meeting, and Woj is expecting Jackson to be fired.

Its a dark dark dark day in Dub Nation.

 

[DonyellFreak]

Listening to KNBR, they are reporting, that Woj on twitter has "inside info" that Jackson and Lacob are meeting, and Woj is expecting Jackson to be fired.

Its a dark dark dark day in Dub Nation.

Go follow Jackson you love him so damn much, he sucks I'm so happy I await hearing you whine about this now with joy.

 

[NBKLee]

Go follow Jackson you love him so damn much, he sucks I'm so happy I await hearing you whine about this now with joy.

Good to see you climb out from under your bridge, I can't wait until the Dubs start winning so you can go away again.

 

[DonyellFreak]

Good to see you climb out from under your bridge, I can't wait until the Dubs start winning so you can go away again.

Hey go root for Jackass with the Lakers or Knicks you aren't a Warriors fan you are just a Jackson jockholder. I will be here all day every day really pumped for Warriors basketball for the first time in years.

 

[NBKLee]

Hey go root for Jackass with the Lakers or Knicks you aren't a Warriors fan you are just a Jackson jockholder. I will be here all day every day really pumped for Warriors basketball for the first time in years.

I don't understand the correlation, someone else want to explain this to me? Where's the logic in that statement?

 

[ColinCoby]

I don't understand the correlation, someone else want to explain this to me? Where's the logic in that statement?

There is none.

I've enjoyed your posts on here dude, even when I don't agree with you (which isn't often).

Some guys on here need to breath a bit and chill out.

 

[DonyellFreak]

 

[NBKLee]

There is none.

I've enjoyed your posts on here dude, even when I don't agree with you (which isn't often).

Some guys on here need to breath a bit and chill out.

Word.

To steal from Marc Spears, Jackson took a team with 5 hollow roster spots, Nedo, FE, Kuzmic, Bogut, JO, and pushed a superior Clipper team to 7 games, was an accomplishment in the playoffs.

Lacob expected this team to win 55 games and push for the top 1-4 seeds in the West, and if it was the Logo who was whispering that in his ear, they were mistaken. After injuries, and a few bad roster moves, this team didn't have it this year.

Here's Ostler's take , Dubs will regret this move. I've defended this FO with their moves up to this point, but to fire a Coach who has gotten results in his first "two full seasons" is just dumb.

LaGruber/ Myers just pushed themselves into the Al Davis / Jerry Jones territory and made this about them instead of putting the team first.

 

[tzill]

Word.

To steal from Marc Spears, Jackson took a team with 5 hollow roster spots, Nedo, FE, Kuzmic, Bogut, JO, and pushed a superior Clipper team to 7 games, was an accomplishment in the playoffs.

Lacob expected this team to win 55 games and push for the top 1-4 seeds in the West, and if it was the Logo who was whispering that in his ear, they were mistaken. After injuries, and a few bad roster moves, this team didn't have it this year.

Here's Ostler's take , Dubs will regret this move. I've defended this FO with their moves up to this point, but to fire a Coach who has gotten results in his first "two full seasons" is just dumb.

LaGruber/ Myers just pushed themselves into the Al Davis / Jerry Jones territory and made this about them instead of putting the team first.

So did I, but there were far too many awful losses during the year. Unexplainable losses, at home, to shitty teams. Stagnant iso offense and schizo defense. And horrific turnovers.

They had the talent to win 55+ but didn't. They underachieved. Lacob sees it that way and so do I.

They will not "regret this move." We won't even think about Jax next year this time.

 

[NBKLee]

So did I, but there were far too many awful losses during the year. Unexplainable losses, at home, to shitty teams. Stagnant iso offense and schizo defense. And horrific turnovers.

They had the talent to win 55+ but didn't. They underachieved. Lacob sees it that way and so do I.

They will not "regret this move." We won't even think about Jax next year this time.

History repeats itself. I liken this situation to the Gruden / Al Davis , Shannhan / Al Davis , and to a certain degree Baker / vs Giants situation .

LaGruber/Myers so desperately want to get one of "their guys" on the bench, that they are willing to forgo winning. I'm a few weeks, after an "exhausted search", they will appoint a stooge and claim they are the next best thing to sliced bread.

Tom Cable, Felipe Alou , Art Shell, Mike White, just to name a few in between Coaches didn't exactly pan out well for those teams.

I'm sure Lacob is a very smart business man, but he should have left the basketball man in place to handle the basketball decisions. Myers, always seem like a smart person on TV/Radio, seems like a puppet for Lacob here, he should have stood up and said Jackson needed to stay.

I'm very disappointed in the FO at this point, it brings me back to the Mullin retirement night, I just want to get up and boo Lacob.

 

[CitySushi]

History repeats itself. I liken this situation to the Gruden / Al Davis , Shannhan / Al Davis , and to a certain degree Baker / vs Giants situation .

LaGruber/Myers so desperately want to get one of "their guys" on the bench, that they are willing to forgo winning. I'm a few weeks, after an "exhausted search", they will appoint a stooge and claim they are the next best thing to sliced bread.

Tom Cable, Felipe Alou , Art Shell, Mike White, just to name a few in between Coaches didn't exactly pan out well for those teams.

I'm sure Lacob is a very smart business man, but he should have left the basketball man in place to handle the basketball decisions. Myers, always seem like a smart person on TV/Radio, seems like a puppet for Lacob here, he should have stood up and said Jackson needed to stay.

I'm very disappointed in the FO at this point, it brings me back to the Mullin retirement night, I just want to get up and boo Lacob.

First off it's laughable that you believe Lacob is not committed to winning. It's all the Warriors have done since he's taken over as owner of the organization. The first day Lacob owned the team he was the one putting all the right people in the right places. He's the one who turned around the culture of the organization. He's made bold moves...unpopular moves...all which have lead to the Warriors organization experiencing it's best sustained success in nearly two decades.

If you were one in the camp of boo'ing Lacob for trading Monta for Bogut, well then we'll probably never see eye to eye on much basketball related.

Your admiration of Jackson is noble.

Go to your boss tomorrow and tell him that you refuse to listen to any of his advice, you refuse to acknowledge any weaknesses you may, you hire all your friends to surround you instead of more qualified applicants and you tell him essentially that all your success is due to a force of nature beyond your control.

See how far that gets you. I don't care what line of work you're in, you can't expect to get away with that at any job.

Nothing the front office has done so far has given me a reason to doubt them. They gave Jackson an opportunity and he took them to as far as they could go. If you fail to acknowledge any weakness you may have and fail to improve yourself, your time is done. There is plenty of blame to go on Jackson that you are completely turning a blind eye to.

 

[Hambombs]

Firing Jackson could likely mean another step foward. He's just not the guy for the team.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Listening to KNBR, they are reporting, that Woj on twitter has "inside info" that Jackson and Lacob are meeting, and Woj is expecting Jackson to be fired.

Its a dark dark dark day in Dub Nation.

Dark day in Dub Nation? Oh the melodrama.

Other than strict motivation - what does Jackson do so well? Why are you so on him - from a basketball perspective?

 

[ColinCoby]

Coming from a guy who has dished out 455 (!) thumbs down, I take this as a compliment!

I get why Jackson was fired. That said, I'm concerned that the next coach will not be any better (and might be worse in some areas).

For now, I'm hoping the Warrior ownership/management hires the right guy to bring more offensive efficiency, harmony in the organization, and development by the young guys (especially Barnes). That said, with hiring the next coach, they need to, as they said, "get it right".

Pressure is on when replacing a coach who was loved by the star of the team and won 51 games.

 

[sjballer03]

History repeats itself. I liken this situation to the Gruden / Al Davis , Shannhan / Al Davis , and to a certain degree Baker / vs Giants situation .

LaGruber/Myers so desperately want to get one of "their guys" on the bench, that they are willing to forgo winning. I'm a few weeks, after an "exhausted search", they will appoint a stooge and claim they are the next best thing to sliced bread.

Tom Cable, Felipe Alou , Art Shell, Mike White, just to name a few in between Coaches didn't exactly pan out well for those teams.

I'm sure Lacob is a very smart business man, but he should have left the basketball man in place to handle the basketball decisions. Myers, always seem like a smart person on TV/Radio, seems like a puppet for Lacob here, he should have stood up and said Jackson needed to stay.

I'm very disappointed in the FO at this point, it brings me back to the Mullin retirement night, I just want to get up and boo Lacob.

This is not a good comparison at all. First off, Gruden and Shanahan worked their way up the NFL coaching ladder. What the hell did Mark Jackson do to deserve the job in the first place anyways?

You are really reaching by comparing Al Davis to Lacob. Al Davis was never as candid as this:

Warriors owner Joe Lacob says firing Mark Jackson wasn?t ?willy-nilly? - Golden State Warriors

Did Jackson’s bunker mentality play into his firing?: “In Mark’s next job, he probably needs to do a better job of managing up and sideways. Managing down, managing to his players, he obviously did a pretty good job. Most of his players seem to really like playing for him and played hard for him. That’s really important in the NBA. I would assume if you asked him, he would realize – maybe give him some time to answer this – he could probably do a little better job of managing up and sideways, is the way to put it.

Al Davis was all about controlling every aspect of the Raiders. Lacob has given guys like Myers and Jackson a lot of rope. The issue was a lack of communication and transparency.

You would think a first time coach would go out of his way to communicate with his peers and bosses. Mark Jackson failed to do this. It's not as if he's already figured everything out. Hopefully he's learned from this experience.

 

[NBKLee]

This is not a good comparison at all. First off, Gruden and Shanahan worked their way up the NFL coaching ladder. What the hell did Mark Jackson do to deserve the job in the first place anyways?

You are really reaching by comparing Al Davis to Lacob. Al Davis was never as candid as this:

Warriors owner Joe Lacob says firing Mark Jackson wasn?t ?willy-nilly? - Golden State Warriors



Al Davis was all about controlling every aspect of the Raiders. Lacob has given guys like Myers and Jackson a lot of rope. The issue was a lack of communication and transparency.

You would think a first time coach would go out of his way to communicate with his peers and bosses. Mark Jackson failed to do this. It's not as if he's already figured everything out. Hopefully he's learned from this experience.

Basically Jackson didn't want to kiss the ring of the King

"Warriors owner Joe Lacob said the Jackson firing had more to do with "organizational issues" than on-court performance. The Warriors cited Jackson's unwillingness to move to the Bay Area, friction with management and sketchy dealings with assistant coaches among reasons that led to the firing."

1) I could care less if Jackson lived in Canada, the Dubs were winning
2) Friction is good, difference of opinion leads to creative thinking, vs "Yes me"
3) Assistant Coaches, such as Scalabrini and Erman? Those guys seemed sketchy for their own reasons.

Not saying Jackson was perfect, but the team's on court performance wasn't factored into the equation? That makes no sense.

 

[NBKLee]

Jackson's side of the story


Jackson does say a lot of good things, but mentions a few other things about how things are being done in the FO.

Poole breaks it down, but Dan Patrick also interviews Jackson via the phone/radio.

 

[CitySushi]

Basically Jackson didn't want to kiss the ring of the King

"Warriors owner Joe Lacob said the Jackson firing had more to do with "organizational issues" than on-court performance. The Warriors cited Jackson's unwillingness to move to the Bay Area, friction with management and sketchy dealings with assistant coaches among reasons that led to the firing."

1) I could care less if Jackson lived in Canada, the Dubs were winning
2) Friction is good, difference of opinion leads to creative thinking, vs "Yes me"
3) Assistant Coaches, such as Scalabrini and Erman? Those guys seemed sketchy for their own reasons.

Not saying Jackson was perfect, but the team's on court performance wasn't factored into the equation? That makes no sense.

1) I agree. Location is much less of a factor than many of the reasons for his departure. I think the Warriors could have lived with this if it wasn't one of many issues.

2) The friction wasn't caused by Jackson having a difference of opinion. It was for his inability to address any issues or suggestions made by the front office. If you're not going to listen to any one, what's the point of having an opposing view in your ear? Jackson turned a blind eye towards the upper management rather than vice versa.

As for "yes men", Jackson surrounded his entire coaching staff with "yes men". Hunter and Myers were Jackson loyalists, without counter point of views. They were his friends. Even Scalabrine was hired by Jackson directly. He wasn't appointed by the Front Office. In fact after Jackson lost Malone, the Warriors suggested that he hire another experienced assistant coach to help fill out his roster as his new #1. Instead, he promoted his buddy Myers to #1, and hired Scal as the bottom assistant. How's that for having "yes men" surround you?

3) Both of the assistant coaching dismissals were warranted and there's no denying that. Both did things that are immediately fire-able offenses. Jackson though, has his own share of blame in those firings as well. Jackson was the one who hired Scalabrine. He wasn't brought in by the front office, he was Jackson's guy. He should have done his due diligence to make sure Scal was a guy who could fit on his staff. After he acted the way he did though, it was clear he needed to be gone.

Erman is considered a very good x's and o's guy (which is why Boston swooped him up as soon as possible). Jackson not only dismissed Erman, he made super passive-aggressive moves towards him like changing his coaching duties and even going so far as to move his parking space to a less convenient spot. Even if Jackson did not do these moves directly, they all happened knowingly to him.

Lastly, the Warriors absolutely factored in the Warriors record to this equation. If the Warriors weren't doing as well as they were, he would have been fired mid-season for all the dysfunction that took place. You're viewing it as if Jackson's actions allow him to stay because his 51 wins justify it. You should look at it as Jackson's time here was so horrible with his management of the team, his interactions with staff, his interactions with the front office, his unwillingness to prepare for games, his lack of team practices, and his unwillingness to accept any responsibility for the above to better himself as a coach, and they HAD to fire him despite 51 wins. That's the really telling part here.

 

[southernfriedwarrior]

"Lastly, the Warriors absolutely factored in the Warriors record to this equation. If the Warriors weren't doing as well as they were, he would have been fired mid-season for all the dysfunction that took place. You're viewing it as if Jackson's actions allow him to stay because his 51 wins justify it. You should look at it as Jackson's time here was so horrible with his management of the team, his interactions with staff, his interactions with the front office, his unwillingness to prepare for games, his lack of team practices, and his unwillingness to accept any responsibility for the above to better himself as a coach, and they HAD to fire him despite 51 wins. That's the really telling part here."

All of this could be true, but the above scenario is completely constructed based upon management's point of view (or your interpretation of same), and gives Jackson zero benefit of the doubt. I think management likely has some culpability as well. In retrospect this is looking like a slightly premature marriage that inevitably fell apart at the seams. They took a chance on Jackson, but clearly didn't do their do diligence IMO, or they could've seen alot of this coming. His best qualities are likewise his worst ones. For his part in this little drama, Lacob could turn out to be a problematic, overly intrusive and unrealistic owner. Time will tell....

 

[CitySushi]

"Lastly, the Warriors absolutely factored in the Warriors record to this equation. If the Warriors weren't doing as well as they were, he would have been fired mid-season for all the dysfunction that took place. You're viewing it as if Jackson's actions allow him to stay because his 51 wins justify it. You should look at it as Jackson's time here was so horrible with his management of the team, his interactions with staff, his interactions with the front office, his unwillingness to prepare for games, his lack of team practices, and his unwillingness to accept any responsibility for the above to better himself as a coach, and they HAD to fire him despite 51 wins. That's the really telling part here."

All of this could be true, but the above scenario is completely constructed based upon management's point of view (or your interpretation of same), and gives Jackson zero benefit of the doubt. I think management likely has some culpability as well. In retrospect this is looking like a slightly premature marriage that inevitably fell apart at the seams. They took a chance on Jackson, but clearly didn't do their do diligence IMO, or they could've seen alot of this coming. His best qualities are likewise his worst ones. For his part in this little drama, Lacob could turn out to be a problematic, overly intrusive and unrealistic owner. Time will tell....

I'm in agreement that both parties are not absolved of fault in this situation. The only reason I choose to give the management the benefit of the doubt is because we can tangibly see Jackson's fault, as he is on display every game. In additional Jackson does not receive my benefit of the doubt, because he is at the center of every controversy. We say Jackson did not get along with the front office management, as if entity is one person. It's multiple people.

Jackson vs. Scalabrine
Jackson vs. Erman
Jackson vs. Joe Lacob
Jackson vs. Jerry West
Jackson vs. Kirk Lacob
Jackson vs. Bob Myers
Jackson vs. Welts (although no problem specifically mentioned, Jackson's stance on Gay's in general is a factor for an openly gay CEO of the team).

There's one common denominator.