RG3's QB Guru

[skinsdad62]

Oh, I agree with that. Shanahan and his crew were terrible last year. But it seems rather low class to me to bash another coach who is no longer around, especially when you weren't three and don't know what they tried to do with RG3 or not. It also smacks as maybe self serving by propping yourself up as the QB guru who saved RG3. Its just classless.

is that any different when GK and others say Rg3 didnt do enough work in the off season and it showed on film ? they dont know what he did either but that doesnt stop the cheap shots it goes with the territory

he based it on what he saw live . footwork and mechanics were bad and not addressed for whatever reason

i think they werent because the knee wasnt stable and the brace a hinderance which wouldnt be the staff's fault

 

[Sportster 72]

is that any different when GK and others say Rg3 didnt do enough work in the off season and it showed on film ? they dont know what he did either but that doesnt stop the cheap shots it goes with the territory

he based it on what he saw live . footwork and mechanics were bad and not addressed for whatever reason

i think they werent because the knee wasnt stable and the brace a hinderance which wouldnt be the staff's fault

It's not CSI theory if it's Shanahan's fault huh? Shea is a QB coach for kids coming out of college, Shanahan is 2 time SB coach who has coach players like Elway and Young. Guys need to use some common sense here. If I am a betting man I am thinking Shanahan forgot more football than Shea ever knew.

I heard an interesting interview with Doc Rivers yesterday asking what he thought of Blake Griffin when he took the Clippers job. He said his first thought was that that guy makes a lot of commercials so when does he have time to get better. Maybe it's not just writers who has these evil thoughts.

What we know. Griffin had a great year in a gimmick offense his first year. He had a lousy year after a bad injury last year. He has crazy weapons this coming year so we all need to hope his return to health and his new coach can get him playing more like year 1 than year 2. As Redskin fans will all benefit.

 

[j_y19]

is that any different when GK and others say Rg3 didnt do enough work in the off season and it showed on film ? they dont know what he did either but that doesnt stop the cheap shots it goes with the territory

he based it on what he saw live . footwork and mechanics were bad and not addressed for whatever reason

i think they werent because the knee wasnt stable and the brace a hinderance which wouldnt be the staff's fault

It absolutely is different. GK is not in the industry, but a fan. There is something called professional courtesy.

I'm not questioning that RG3s mechanics were way off, we all saw that. I'm just questioning the motivation for publicly placing blame on another party when you weren't privy to what was really going on. He may be right, but that doesn't mean you publicly air it.

 

[skinsdad62]

It absolutely is different. GK is not in the industry, but a fan. There is something called professional courtesy.

I'm not questioning that RG3s mechanics were way off, we all saw that. I'm just questioning the motivation for publicly placing blame on another party when you weren't privy to what was really going on. He may be right, but that doesn't mean you publicly air it.

i dont think saying a HC forgot about fundementals when developing a qb and focused on schemes is some kind of "lack of courtesy " it is a statement of fact

why that happened is open to debate . i think his injury was the reason and not coaching ineptitude

 

[skinsdad62]

It's not CSI theory if it's Shanahan's fault huh? Shea is a QB coach for kids coming out of college, Shanahan is 2 time SB coach who has coach players like Elway and Young. Guys need to use some common sense here. If I am a betting man I am thinking Shanahan forgot more football than Shea ever knew.

I heard an interesting interview with Doc Rivers yesterday asking what he thought of Blake Griffin when he took the Clippers job. He said his first thought was that that guy makes a lot of commercials so when does he have time to get better. Maybe it's not just writers who has these evil thoughts.

What we know. Griffin had a great year in a gimmick offense his first year. He had a lousy year after a bad injury last year. He has crazy weapons this coming year so we all need to hope his return to health and his new coach can get him playing more like year 1 than year 2. As Redskin fans will all benefit.

the redskins ran the west coast offense in his rookie year . out of the 120 rushes he had that year 61

were read option related

morris had about 75 carries that were read option related

that is 136 plays that can be traced back to the read option out of 961 plays the team ran

i doubt that qualifies as a "gimmick " offense

as for CSI stuff perhaps you need to go back and read my statement . i said i think the knee injury had the most to do with that and it wasnt the staff's fault . no CSI there

 

[j_y19]

i dont think saying a HC forgot about fundementals when developing a qb and focused on schemes is some kind of "lack of courtesy " it is a statement of fact

why that happened is open to debate . i think his injury was the reason and not coaching ineptitude

How do you know that it is a "fact" that the HC FORGOT about fundamentals when developing a QB? Please explain that to me? Were you in the room? Was Shea? That's CSI stuff, Dad! Of all people to play that card....tsk, tsk.

For all we know, that's the story that RG3 gave to Shea. Yeah, that's it. My fundamentals sucked last year because the head coach forgot about working the fundamentals. Heaven forbid that the great RG3 take any personal responsibility and say "you know what? I rushed myself back from injury because I had this artificial deadline of all in for week one that I owed to my sponsor, Addidas. Consequently, my fundamentals became flawed because I couldn't comfortably plant my front foot on throws. Once the season started, I had to play catch up on schemes, timing with my WRs, and reading defenses (because I didn't have any preseason) therefore I had no time to devote to my fundamentals." That would have been taking the high road.

Its these types of positions you take on RG3, dad that get people calling you a blind homer. He never has any fault in your eyes. Oh, BTW, I don't know that he has any here, just like you don't know if Shanahan forgot to work on fundamentals.

 

[Sportster 72]

the redskins ran the west coast offense in his rookie year . out of the 120 rushes he had that year 61

were read option related

morris had about 75 carries that were read option related

that is 136 plays that can be traced back to the read option out of 961 plays the team ran

i doubt that qualifies as a "gimmick " offense

as for CSI stuff perhaps you need to go back and read my statement . i said i think the knee injury had the most to do with that and it wasnt the staff's fault . no CSI there

If your explanation about is how many read option plays were run then there is no sense in discussing what was happening on the field that year. You either don't know what was happening so you copied some statistics you looked up or you're just a homer that doesn't want to see things for what they are.

I always find it funny you worry about or accuse others of being all manner of hijinks when discussing players you like but when you do the same thing that isn't considered the same type of act.

All that being said Griffin had terrible footwork mostly likely caused by his injury. Why he had trouble reading defenses and finding open receivers I can't answer. My hope is that Gruden will make the offense a little more QB friendly in an effort to help Robert.

 

[skinsdad62]

How do you know that it is a "fact" that the HC FORGOT about fundamentals when developing a QB? Please explain that to me? Were you in the room? Was Shea? That's CSI stuff, Dad! Of all people to play that card....tsk, tsk.

For all we know, that's the story that RG3 gave to Shea. Yeah, that's it. My fundamentals sucked last year because the head coach forgot about working the fundamentals. Heaven forbid that the great RG3 take any personal responsibility and say "you know what? I rushed myself back from injury because I had this artificial deadline of all in for week one that I owed to my sponsor, Addidas. Consequently, my fundamentals became flawed because I couldn't comfortably plant my front foot on throws. Once the season started, I had to play catch up on schemes, timing with my WRs, and reading defenses (because I didn't have any preseason) therefore I had no time to devote to my fundamentals." That would have been taking the high road.

Its these types of positions you take on RG3, dad that get people calling you a blind homer. He never has any fault in your eyes. Oh, BTW, I don't know that he has any here, just like you don't know if Shanahan forgot to work on fundamentals.

how do you know RG3 said anything to shea ? shea doesnt have eyes ? he cant see the problems ?

Rg3 would not have had too say anything about that to shea because shea physically saw with his own eyes and what he saw on film . what shea cant make a public opinion about something with out the sinister Rg3 pulling the puppet strings ?

the facts are you and i can nor can not say with 100% certainty what conversations they had

i never said that shanny and the staff were at fault for his fundamentals . i said his injury and brace were the cause. that would be the 4th fucking time i have said that

last season on this board i made the argument that the o/line wasnt as bad as it was made out to be and that Rg3 had a part in it

i have said numerous times that rg3 said things he probably wished he could take back or didnt come out right

i have rejected stupid things like his dad was pulling the strings to get briles as coach . i rejected rg3 having a dinner means something sinister was going on . i rejected that rg3 and his family would have a say in in who was hired as coach

i rejected innuendos based on anonymous sources because now tha shanny is gone where are the people now ?

i rejected that notion that his teammates didnt respect him by their actions , not thier words or the presses

the facts are i have been more right about him the wrong

there is no CSI going on . the shanny's (5th time ) arent at fault for his fundamentals the injury and the brace seem to me to be the culprits

 

[skinsdad62]

If your explanation about is how many read option plays were run then there is no sense in discussing what was happening on the field that year. You either don't know what was happening so you copied some statistics you looked up or you're just a homer that doesn't want to see things for what they are.

I always find it funny you worry about or accuse others of being all manner of hijinks when discussing players you like but when you do the same thing that isn't considered the same type of act.

All that being said Griffin had terrible footwork mostly likely caused by his injury. Why he had trouble reading defenses and finding open receivers I can't answer. My hope is that Gruden will make the offense a little more QB friendly in an effort to help Robert.

i went to the stats and the film sportster . you said we ran a gimmick offense , the facts state otherwise . the zone read wasnt our main offense . we ran the WCO

i gave you numbers . you gave me what ?

we ran the 4-3 on passing downs a lot but we are a 3/4 defense

that is what you can see on film it isnt homerism , it isnt reading off stats (solely ) and it isnt my ignorance

and i agree , his knee injury was the main culprit with the fundamentals , not the coaching staff

 

[Sharkinva]

Guys... the fact is Shea can say what ever he wants as an outsider. It comes as his opinion, maybe or maybe not influenced by what he may or may not have heard from RG3.

Shanahan likely has some sort of non disclosure agreement meaning that even if Griffin walked into his office, told him flat out he was going to get him fired, and refused to do things the way Shanahan wanted... there is nothing Shanahan can do or say without opening himself up to legal action which Dan would be more than willing to get into.


Bottom line is its a dead horse, Shae is just piling on because he has nothing to lose by doing it and everything to gain. If RG3 blows up after Shea "fixed" what Shanahan broke, his services stand a chance to be in very high demand. If RG3 tanks, he simply proclaims Shanahan damaged him beyond repair.

 

[gkekoa]

Guys... the fact is Shea can say what ever he wants as an outsider. It comes as his opinion, maybe or maybe not influenced by what he may or may not have heard from RG3.

Shanahan likely has some sort of non disclosure agreement meaning that even if Griffin walked into his office, told him flat out he was going to get him fired, and refused to do things the way Shanahan wanted... there is nothing Shanahan can do or say without opening himself up to legal action which Dan would be more than willing to get into.


Bottom line is its a dead horse, Shae is just piling on because he has nothing to lose by doing it and everything to gain. If RG3 blows up after Shea "fixed" what Shanahan broke, his services stand a chance to be in very high demand. If RG3 tanks, he simply proclaims Shanahan damaged him beyond repair.

What would Shanahan have gotten out of a "nondisclosure agreement?"

When do you believe he signed such an agreement?

Realistically, Shanahan simply has more class than to bad mouth a franchise because that's how you don't get hired again.

 

[Sharkinva]

What would Shanahan have gotten out of a "nondisclosure agreement?"

When do you believe he signed such an agreement?

Realistically, Shanahan simply has more class than to bad mouth a franchise because that's how you don't get hired again.

If its anything like a CEO contract, he signed it as a part of his original contract. (contract law 101) Any privileged conversation that could negatively affect the company shall be considered non disclosure material unless keeping such information privileged would break state or federal laws. Why do you think coaches rarely come out and blast owners after the fact even if they are being dragged through the mud?? If Shanahan were to come out and say RG3 was a complete and total brat pain in the ass who refused coaching, not only would Dan go after him, but so would RG3. As it would be considered company sensitive information that could negatively affect the brand. And in most cases the suite would be for more than Shanahan made his entire time with the Skins PLUS this year.


PLus bad mouthing RG3 or Dan would blacklist him and his son.

 

[Sportster 72]

If nothing else it is professional etiquette and not cutting your nose off to spite your face. It really doesn't matter what happened. What matters is what happens this year and so on. We should all want Haslett, Griffin, Gruden, Allen etc. to be successful. If they aren't it will be shouted to the walls in the media, on forums and wherever else.