Science of sound at Seattle's stadium

[packerzrule]

I really don't give a flying f*ck who has the loudest fans.

apparently there are some insecure sallies on this site that do however


pity

 

[Doublejive]

Listen I have no problem with it and I certainly wouldnt agree with any sort of anti noise rule unless your artificially creating noise, its part of the home field advantage. What I take issue with is that most (not all) Seattle fans refuse to just admit that it is the stadium between the positioning of the seats and the over hang it directs all the noise straight to the field. They pretend like they are the loudest greatest fans in the world and no one can touch them as the greatest fans because their stadium makes its louder then they actually are.

All i have to say in reply to that is,,,,,,,,,Ok.

 

[Doublejive]

HAHAHAHA, Hawks fans continue to thunp their chests over their accomplishments, I just thought I would throw that in.


Actually, if you are referring to the character in the movie Heartbreak Ridge, his nickname was The Ayatollah of Rock N Rollah - but thanks for looking out for me

Anytime Cool Hand Luke guy.

 

[Banned 10x]

I really don't give a flying f*ck who has the loudest fans.

 

[fordman84]

HAHAHAHA, Hawks fans continue to thunp their chests over their accomplishments, I just thought I would throw that in.


Actually, if you are referring to the character in the movie Heartbreak Ridge, his nickname was The Ayatollah of Rock N Rollah - but thanks for looking out for me

This. And he looks just like Crabtree

 

[JDM]

Or even improve on it. If the designer has said it wasn't an intended aspect of the design what will happen when they start trying to design for sound impact? As has already been stated though we already have better sound reflection in domed stadiums and no one ever complained about them.

Even as a Seahawk fan I believe this can be taken too far and I don't know if this record shows it has or if that is a matter for debate. At some point you are causing damage to the hearing of every fan as well as the workers around the stadium. At some point I could see a lawsuit for unsafe working conditions for vendors, security, ushers, etc who cannot simply put ear plugs in and are forced to work in that sound.

Still what do you do about it? It rains in Seattle and the roof was designed to give some relief from it. Sound absorbing tiles on that part of the roof?

You don't even try. This is and should be perfectly acceptable.

 

[Doublejive]

This. And he looks just like Crabtree

I did not care much for the movie,Clint is best in westerns or Ever Which Way But Loose.


Right turn Clyde.

 

[packerzrule]

I did not care much for the movie,Clint is best in westerns or Ever Which Way But Loose.


Right turn Clyde.

Agreed that Westerns is his best genre but was pretty good as Dirty Harry. Also, El Camino and Million Dollar Baby weren't that bad either

 

[TheDman875]

Heartbreak Ridge was great. Lots of great lines in that movie.

 

[France_Steve]

Agreed that Westerns is his best genre but was pretty good as Dirty Harry. Also, El Camino and Million Dollar Baby weren't that bad either

Gran Torino

 

[pumpkinhead33793]

Seahawks fans need to stop ripping on the idea that they are the 12th man. That idea was started by Texas A&M long before the Seahawks were even an organization.

You have loud fans but you are NOT the 12th man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_man_(football)

 

[France_Steve]

Seahawks fans need to stop ripping on the idea that they are the 12th man. That idea was started by Texas A&M long before the Seahawks were even an organization.

You have loud fans but you are NOT the 12th man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_man_(football)

Chicago fans need to stop pretending they are the bears. Bears have been around for millions of years before football was even a sport.

You have hairy football players but they are NOT Bears

Bear - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[pumpkinhead33793]

Chicago fans need to stop pretending they are the bears. Bears have been around for millions of years before football was even a sport.

You have hairy football players but they are NOT Bears

Bear - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow...

 

[richig07]

Hawks fans are the loudest and I really do not know why so many have an issue with that.


Gonna let you guys in on something,the upper bleachers yah wayyyy up at the top guess what the average decibel is? 110 and why does that matter? well il tell yah there is no sound being bounced back.

Care to read a little history?

A noise rule vs. the 12th Man? Unheard of -- or is it?


It must have been the world record the noisy Seattle fans set on Sunday night, because apparently a few bandwagon 49ers fans just heard about the 12th Man for the first time.

That is the only reasonable explanation for the noise complaint filed by the neighbors way down in San Francisco -- people apparently unfamiliar with the idea of home-field advantage in sports.

While we all laugh at these chuckleheads now for crying about unsportsmanlike conduct by cheering home crowds, believe it or not, there was a time when the NFL agreed with them.

The 12th Man has been around since the Seahawks first populated the Kingdome back in 1976. And the Kingdome really got rocking when Chuck Knox arrived in 1983 and led the Hawks to the playoffs. In fact, the team retired the No. 12 in honor of the fans in 1984 as the Hawks were busy finishing their best season to date (12-4).

But as the 1980s wore on and opposing teams got tired of trying to shout above the din of the Kingdome's deafening denizens, NFL owners actually voted to shut up the fans. The 1989 rule covered the entire league, but everyone knew it was aimed mostly at the Seahawks, their 12th Man and the Kingdome.

Knox was incensed by the rule, accusing owners of trying to "take away our fans' right to participate in the game."

In a preseason game against San Francisco in 1989, the league tried to send the 12th Man a message right away. Quarterback Steve Young appealed to referee Red Cashion three times, and Cashion threw three flags against the Hawks. Of course, all each hanky did was incite the crowd even more. It was comical -- and the league should have known that was the Pandora's Box it was opening.

As Paul Moyer, a safety for those Seahawks, said: "We're trying to get them (the fans) to tone it down, and they are getting louder. How can you penalize 67,000 people?"

Knox was still ticked off about the rule as the season opener approached. He said they should create a rule against throwing dog bones, as fans in Cleveland's Dawg Pound did, and one against throwing snowballs, as fans in Denver often did.

Commissioner Pete Rozelle apparently heard the wisdom of Knox's words, because on the eve of the season Rozelle told his officials to be judicious in penalizing home teams and also to penalize any offense that did not run a play when the officials thought it was quiet enough to do so.

Rozelle effectively vetoed the owners' vote.

In a game at the Kingdome that October, Denver QB John Elway stepped away from center three times and the referee warned the crowd three times -- but he never threw a flag. And then Elway was sacked by Seattle's speedy pass rusher, Rufus Porter.

In 1990, the raucous 12th Man helped Porter dominate the Cincinnati Bengals in a memorable Monday night upset by the Seahawks, and Bengals coach Sam Wyche said, "The fans were great to Seattle and not abusive to us, but obviously there is no crowd noise rule anymore."

The rule actually remained on the books until March 2007, when NFL owners quietly killed it.

They did so even though the Seahawks' outdoor stadium, which opened in 2002, had become every bit as loud as their indoor concrete mausoleum had been.

It was so loud for one game during the Seahawk's 2005 Super Bowl season that the Giants were called for 11 false starts. The next year, as the Giants reluctantly returned to Seattle, All-Pro defensive end Michael Strahan told reporters it was the loudest stadium he had ever been to.

"You can barely hear yourself talk. You can barely hear yourself think, actually," he said. "It's not just you against the Seahawks. This truly is a 12th man-type situation where you're playing against the fans, too."

A couple of seemingly new 49ers fans just found that out.

Oh my gawd... you Seahawks fans are SOOO stupid.

All of this is a freaking marketing gimmick to make you people feel like you matter, and you're falling for it hook, line, and sinker. The fans, coaches, etc... HAVE to mention the 12th man in interviews, etc..

Your voice boxes aren't MAGICALLY louder than the rest of the world's. No one is being louder. The stadium amplifies the sound. You guys aren't yelling louder than human beings in Texas, Chicago, or where the hell ever.

Your stadium amplifies the freaking sound. It's okay, its still cool. You guys just aren't doing it by yourselves. Your not yelling louder than the fans at Arrowhead, or the fans of SEC football teams. I've been EVERYWHERE to watch football, including your little stadium up in the northwest. YOUR NOT YELLING LOUDER.

It's so annoying to listen to you people. "12th man... 12th man... WE'RE THE 12TH MAN!". No you're not... you don't fucking matter. Your just dicks in a yard who paid too much for tickets and bought over priced beer.

 

[Wolvie]

Oh my gawd... you Seahawks fans are SOOO stupid.

All of this is a freaking marketing gimmick to make you people feel like you matter, and you're falling for it hook, line, and sinker. The fans, coaches, etc... HAVE to mention the 12th man in interviews, etc..

Your voice boxes aren't MAGICALLY louder than the rest of the world's. No one is being louder. The stadium amplifies the sound. You guys aren't yelling louder than human beings in Texas, Chicago, or where the hell ever.

Your stadium amplifies the freaking sound. It's okay, its still cool. You guys just aren't doing it by yourselves. Your not yelling louder than the fans at Arrowhead, or the fans of SEC football teams. I've been EVERYWHERE to watch football, including your little stadium up in the northwest. YOUR NOT YELLING LOUDER.

It's so annoying to listen to you people. "12th man... 12th man... WE'RE THE 12TH MAN!". No you're not... you don't fucking matter. Your just dicks in a yard who paid too much for tickets and bought over priced beer.

Yeah, how dare we Seahawks fans be passionate about our team!!! How dare the Seahawk organization retire the #12 back in the 80's in honor of its fans. How cliche that was because every other NFL team has done it and we are just sheep to an evil marketing scheme

 

[cwood]

Yeah, how dare we Seahawks fans be passionate about our team!!! How dare the Seahawk organization retire the #12 back in the 80's in honor of its fans. How cliche that was because every other NFL team has done it and we are just sheep to an evil marketing scheme

You kind of proved his point. There are a lot of equally passionate fan bases that don't have the #12 retired, don't sit in a stadium specifically designed to magnify their noise, and don't constantly pat themselves on the back for being so great.

 

[packerzrule]

Gran Torino

ooops I stand corrected

I'm more of a Chevy man I guess

 

[RoboticDreams]

ooops I stand corrected

I'm more of a Chevy man I guess

Get off my lawn!

 

[France_Steve]

Wow...

you didn't think that was funny? I thought it was hilarious

 

[MrS]

Sounds like a lot of butt hurt fans whose teams have come and lost at the CLINK.

I watched the Pats-Falcons game and you could hear Brady making calls under center, whats up with that?