Science of sound at Seattle's stadium

[boltfan72]

Interesting read on the design of the stadium and how it amplifies sound:

How CenturyLink Field in Seattle Broke the Guinness Noise Record | TIME.com

 

[Breaker99]

Seahawk fans refuse to accept science. The noise at CLINK is only caused by the rib of adam.

 

[cwood]

It's weird that the same fans magically got louder after they moved out of a dome into an open air stadium.

 

[JDM]

Seahawk fans refuse to accept science. The noise at CLINK is only caused by the rib of adam.

Right. Because it redirects sound that doesn't exist.

 

[RoboticDreams]

 

[David_son]

Right. Because it redirects sound that doesn't exist.

I think his point is that Seattle fans think they personally are the loudest and refuse to accept the noise is from the stadium. Seahawks fans are some sorta Superfans they dont all have god like voices that can topple a wall.

 

[Doublejive]

I think his point is that Seattle fans think they personally are the loudest and refuse to accept the noise is from the stadium. Seahawks fans are some sorta Superfans they dont all have god like voices that can topple a wall.

Hawks fans are the loudest and I really do not know why so many have an issue with that.


Gonna let you guys in on something,the upper bleachers yah wayyyy up at the top guess what the average decibel is? 110 and why does that matter? well il tell yah there is no sound being bounced back.

Care to read a little history?

A noise rule vs. the 12th Man? Unheard of -- or is it?


It must have been the world record the noisy Seattle fans set on Sunday night, because apparently a few bandwagon 49ers fans just heard about the 12th Man for the first time.

That is the only reasonable explanation for the noise complaint filed by the neighbors way down in San Francisco -- people apparently unfamiliar with the idea of home-field advantage in sports.

While we all laugh at these chuckleheads now for crying about unsportsmanlike conduct by cheering home crowds, believe it or not, there was a time when the NFL agreed with them.

The 12th Man has been around since the Seahawks first populated the Kingdome back in 1976. And the Kingdome really got rocking when Chuck Knox arrived in 1983 and led the Hawks to the playoffs. In fact, the team retired the No. 12 in honor of the fans in 1984 as the Hawks were busy finishing their best season to date (12-4).

But as the 1980s wore on and opposing teams got tired of trying to shout above the din of the Kingdome's deafening denizens, NFL owners actually voted to shut up the fans. The 1989 rule covered the entire league, but everyone knew it was aimed mostly at the Seahawks, their 12th Man and the Kingdome.

Knox was incensed by the rule, accusing owners of trying to "take away our fans' right to participate in the game."

In a preseason game against San Francisco in 1989, the league tried to send the 12th Man a message right away. Quarterback Steve Young appealed to referee Red Cashion three times, and Cashion threw three flags against the Hawks. Of course, all each hanky did was incite the crowd even more. It was comical -- and the league should have known that was the Pandora's Box it was opening.

As Paul Moyer, a safety for those Seahawks, said: "We're trying to get them (the fans) to tone it down, and they are getting louder. How can you penalize 67,000 people?"

Knox was still ticked off about the rule as the season opener approached. He said they should create a rule against throwing dog bones, as fans in Cleveland's Dawg Pound did, and one against throwing snowballs, as fans in Denver often did.

Commissioner Pete Rozelle apparently heard the wisdom of Knox's words, because on the eve of the season Rozelle told his officials to be judicious in penalizing home teams and also to penalize any offense that did not run a play when the officials thought it was quiet enough to do so.

Rozelle effectively vetoed the owners' vote.

In a game at the Kingdome that October, Denver QB John Elway stepped away from center three times and the referee warned the crowd three times -- but he never threw a flag. And then Elway was sacked by Seattle's speedy pass rusher, Rufus Porter.

In 1990, the raucous 12th Man helped Porter dominate the Cincinnati Bengals in a memorable Monday night upset by the Seahawks, and Bengals coach Sam Wyche said, "The fans were great to Seattle and not abusive to us, but obviously there is no crowd noise rule anymore."

The rule actually remained on the books until March 2007, when NFL owners quietly killed it.

They did so even though the Seahawks' outdoor stadium, which opened in 2002, had become every bit as loud as their indoor concrete mausoleum had been.

It was so loud for one game during the Seahawk's 2005 Super Bowl season that the Giants were called for 11 false starts. The next year, as the Giants reluctantly returned to Seattle, All-Pro defensive end Michael Strahan told reporters it was the loudest stadium he had ever been to.

"You can barely hear yourself talk. You can barely hear yourself think, actually," he said. "It's not just you against the Seahawks. This truly is a 12th man-type situation where you're playing against the fans, too."

A couple of seemingly new 49ers fans just found that out.

 

[Doublejive]

I will also let you know another FACT the KingDome was made to NOT have good acoustics,so which is it the crowd or the venue?

Answer:The Crowd.

 

[Doublejive]

So are we done with this debate?

 

[Broncos6482]

Seahawks fans are magically louder than all of the other fans in the NFL, duh.

 

[KwitYerWhinin]

It's weird that the same fans magically got louder after they moved out of a dome into an open air stadium.

whats weirdest of all is the level of pride they feel about it...seriously ? your claim to fame is making noise ? wow

 

[JDM]

I think his point is that Seattle fans think they personally are the loudest and refuse to accept the noise is from the stadium. Seahawks fans are some sorta Superfans they dont all have god like voices that can topple a wall.

I thought this was along the lines of the guys complaining that the stadium design was "cheating".

 

[Doublejive]

whats weirdest of all is the level of pride they feel about it...seriously ? your claim to fame is making noise ? wow

Who is making the posts all the time? every time i see them it is not the 12th man,very common theme really,take a look around more than half the posts about the Hawks are not done by Hawks fans.

 

[Doublejive]

Seahawks fans are magically louder than all of the other fans in the NFL, duh.

Take a look at the crowd at a CLink game,then look at a NE game and you will notice something,the Seattle crowd is young barely any gray hair,the NE game has cans for Depend's and the Skins and a few others.

 

[KwitYerWhinin]

Who is making the posts all the time? every time i see them it is not the 12th man,very common theme really,take a look around more than half the posts about the Hawks are not done by Hawks fans.

but when hawks fans DO post about it, their pride is very evident....you would think that the fans themselves are playing the game. very odd

 

[Doublejive]

but when hawks fans DO post about it, their pride is very evident....you would think that the fans themselves are playing the game. very odd

Huh? you are odd,but yes in a sense the fans,the 12th man are playing ask Elway or Strahan.

 

[KwitYerWhinin]

Huh? you are odd,but yes in a sense the fans,the 12th man are playing ask Elway or Strahan.

I dont think Elway can hear you...he has those two Superbowl rings plugging his ears.

 

[Broncos6482]

Take a look at the crowd at a CLink game,then look at a NE game and you will notice something,the Seattle crowd is young barely any gray hair,the NE game has cans for Depend's and the Skins and a few others.

You've just compared yourself to one team. There are 32 in the NFL. Do you think the Seattle fans are somehow louder than the fans in Kansas City, for example?

 

[Doublejive]

I dont think Elway can hear you...he has those two Superbowl rings plugging his ears.

Oh he heard me that's for sure i was at the 50 yard line when he took his helmet off and threw it on the ground lol.

 

[Doublejive]

You've just compared yourself to one team. There are 32 in the NFL. Do you think the Seattle fans are somehow louder than the fans in Kansas City, for example?

Dunno,dont care.