Cap going into 2014

[NetsGotBanned21]

The Miles Austin cut thread got me thinking about the cap and what not and how I could explain it to the majority of you in a manner most would be able to understand and follow from a simplistic yet logical standpoint. This is what I came up with. Below is a chart of individuals who would save us money on the cap, with the majority of whom wouldn't carry on future dead money i.e. 2015 cap hit; as well as are dead weight players on the roster going into 2014. In otherwords individuals who will and should be replaced come 2014 by a younger, less expensive option with more potential.

1.) Nate Livings- This guy had a far better year than most gave him credit for last year; however that does not excuse him from his second offseason with injury. He is only getting older and Ronald Leary is looking like a realistic, bette option at this point for the future of this team. The cut of Livings in 2014 saves this team about 1.5MM next season.

2.) Mackenzy Bernadeau- This guy was probably the best Center we had last year, and that was my hope for him rather than going back and playing Guard once again where he struggled in 2012 and probably will not start in 2013 (this season). At this point he is a swing interior Olineman a role in which Cook also can play. Mac B will be replaced on this team next season and the cut will save the team about 1MM in space next season.

3.) Orlando Scandrick- This guy has a lot he must do to stay on the team next season. Webb is the favorite to take his spot next season; and while Scandrick won't be cut pre June 1st 2014 he should be cut post June 1st 2014, for a savings of about 4MM on the 2014 cap and a carry over of about 3.5MM in dead money onto 2015 cap which still would be a savings of about 3.5MM against his 7.1MM cap figure in 2015.

4.) Kyle Orton- The guy is a great back up, but at almost a 5MM cap hit in 2014 we will not be able to afford him. The cut will save us about 1MM in 2014.

5.) Jay Ratliff- I will say this about Ratliff, he is on the bubble for next season, and if he does not prove his worth this season and stay healthy he will be cut and his replacement will be drafted or will be Brandon Bass. The cut of Rat will save Dallas about 1MM in cap space 2014.

6.) Jeremy Parnell- For a guy who had a chance to be a starter this year he sure has let not only this pass him by, but also the possibility of being on this roster next season pass him by. Parnell can be cut to save the team roughly 2MM in cap space 2014; and for a team that will probably need it going into next season the move is more than justified unless Parnell shows up and changes minds this season.

7.) Phil Costa- With Frederick being the future at Center, or so it appears, a team with cap issues like us heading into 2014 won't be able to afford a backup Center that cost slightly south of 2MM against the cap in 2014. Unless Costa can prove his worth this season and gain a starting spot he is gone which will result in a savings of nearly 2MM in cap space on the 2014 cap.

8.) Doug Free- Believe it or not, Free may justify his slightly north cap hit of 6MM this season, if this is the case the same could be said about next year where his cap figure will be the same; however if this is not the case the team can cut Free to save about 3MM in space come 2014.

As I get more time I will go over a more detailed plan in which I believe will help the team get under the cap as well as keep its younger players, and not hurt us in future years as much.

 

[Eriko212121]

The Miles Austin cut thread got me thinking about the cap and what not and how I could explain it to the majority of you in a manner most would be able to understand and follow from a simplistic yet logical standpoint. This is what I came up with. Below is a chart of individuals who would save us money on the cap, with the majority of whom wouldn't carry on future dead money i.e. 2015 cap hit; as well as are dead weight players on the roster going into 2014. In otherwords individuals who will and should be replaced come 2014 by a younger, less expensive option with more potential.

1.) Nate Livings- This guy had a far better year than most gave him credit for last year; however that does not excuse him from his second offseason with injury. He is only getting older and Ronald Leary is looking like a realistic, bette option at this point for the future of this team. The cut of Livings in 2014 saves this team about 1.5MM next season.

2.) Mackenzy Bernadeau- This guy was probably the best Center we had last year, and that was my hope for him rather than going back and playing Guard once again where he struggled in 2012 and probably will not start in 2013 (this season). At this point he is a swing interior Olineman a role in which Cook also can play. Mac B will be replaced on this team next season and the cut will save the team about 1MM in space next season.

3.) Orlando Scandrick- This guy has a lot he must do to stay on the team next season. Webb is the favorite to take his spot next season; and while Scandrick won't be cut pre June 1st 2014 he should be cut post June 1st 2014, for a savings of about 4MM on the 2014 cap and a carry over of about 3.5MM in dead money onto 2015 cap which still would be a savings of about 3.5MM against his 7.1MM cap figure in 2015.

4.) Kyle Orton- The guy is a great back up, but at almost a 5MM cap hit in 2014 we will not be able to afford him. The cut will save us about 1MM in 2014.

5.) Jay Ratliff- I will say this about Ratliff, he is on the bubble for next season, and if he does not prove his worth this season and stay healthy he will be cut and his replacement will be drafted or will be Brandon Bass. The cut of Rat will save Dallas about 1MM in cap space 2014.

6.) Jeremy Parnell- For a guy who had a chance to be a starter this year he sure has let not only this pass him by, but also the possibility of being on this roster next season pass him by. Parnell can be cut to save the team roughly 2MM in cap space 2014; and for a team that will probably need it going into next season the move is more than justified unless Parnell shows up and changes minds this season.

7.) Phil Costa- With Frederick being the future at Center, or so it appears, a team with cap issues like us heading into 2014 won't be able to afford a backup Center that cost slightly south of 2MM against the cap in 2014. Unless Costa can prove his worth this season and gain a starting spot he is gone which will result in a savings of nearly 2MM in cap space on the 2014 cap.

8.) Doug Free- Believe it or not, Free may justify his slightly north cap hit of 6MM this season, if this is the case the same could be said about next year where his cap figure will be the same; however if this is not the case the team can cut Free to save about 3MM in space come 2014.

As I get more time I will go over a more detailed plan in which I believe will help the team get under the cap as well as keep its younger players, and not hurt us in future years as much.

Thanks for the effort on that. Scandrick, Orton and Rat are gone IMO, and Free unless he gets back to his form of a couple of years ago. Since you are privy to our cap, what does our number look like going into next year, and how many players are under contract. I think Spencer is priced out with anything less than 12 sacks, as Crawford and kool aid Selvie will be much cheaper options

 

[PDay8810]

good stuff Nets..

I've always seen this as players with proven game from this coming season will stay....which is why I wouldn't bet against my man Miles

 

[Manster7588]

good stuff Nets..

I've always seen this as players with proven game from this coming season will stay....which is why I wouldn't bet against my man Miles

I wouldn't bet against him either. With the youth behind him, he may fight for the job like he was a young WR trying to unseat Williams or TO. He very well could have a great season. Plus with the emergence of Dez Miles will get the lesser quality CB. If he can start breaking tackles again this offense could be very scary to defenses.

 

[PDay8810]

I wouldn't bet against him either. With the youth behind him, he may fight for the job like he was a young WR trying to unseat Williams or TO. He very well could have a great season. Plus with the emergence of Dez Miles will get the lesser quality CB. If he can start breaking tackles again this offense could be very scary to defenses.

Miles is very good in his own right and yes...with line play, Dallas will present match up problems for most all defenses

 

[tw1st3d]

we got different cap numbers Nets.... I really mean way different numbers on these guys

Not argueing your debate ... or who

I think I have Ratt making 8.4 next year .... a cut saving us 5
No save in cutting Austin.... not next year but the year after
Scandrick is prolly our best cut ... way too much for a 3rd corner....

when it comes to our cap I'll defer to you... but woould be nice to see where you got those numbers

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

we got different cap numbers Nets.... I really mean way different numbers on these guys

Not argueing your debate ... or who

I think I have Ratt making 8.4 next year .... a cut saving us 5
No save in cutting Austin.... not next year but the year after
Scandrick is prolly our best cut ... way too much for a 3rd corner....

when it comes to our cap I'll defer to you... but woould be nice to see where you got those numbers

Twist you are good people so I don't take it in a negative manner. I have Rat at 8.232MM next season as his cap number. His total dead money being about 7MM for the remainder of his contract through 2017 starting in 2014, which if cut before June 1 2014 would save us 1.232MM (8.232MM 2014 cap hit - 7MM remainder of guaranteed money left = 1.232MM total 2014 savings) or if you cut him after June 1 2014 you would save about 5MM because his 2014 dead money is only 2.732MM, so (8.232MM 2014 cap hit - 2.732MM 2014 dead money total = about 5.5MM cap savings for 2014 post June 1st) however he would have a carry over on the 2015 cap of about 4.25MM in dead money which if you look at his 2015 cap figure being at 9.732MM that is still about 5.5MM saved in 2015 as well.


Are we on the same page now? If not please let me know so we can figure out where either of us are going wrong.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Thanks for the effort on that. Scandrick, Orton and Rat are gone IMO, and Free unless he gets back to his form of a couple of years ago. Since you are privy to our cap, what does our number look like going into next year, and how many players are under contract. I think Spencer is priced out with anything less than 12 sacks, as Crawford and kool aid Selvie will be much cheaper options

good stuff Nets..

I've always seen this as players with proven game from this coming season will stay....which is why I wouldn't bet against my man Miles

Thank you both, I think this season of course will present the future on who stays and gets cut, but what I have not even shown yet is the fact that Romo, Ware, Witten, and Carr will all get restructured. I would like to say we have about 44 players and are about 20MM over as of now, I have not looked at it in about a month and because I deal with nothing but numbers at work I at times forget the NFL numbers when I do not constantly check on them. I will post something later today to give you an exact out look into our 2014 cap.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Ok Ericko here you go bro, I have us at about 140MM with a +/- of 3MM for error since I rushed through my calculations, this does include the 1.2MM of dead money that Spears carries onto the cap next season as well. If we figure that the cap should bump up about 2-3MM next season we can project the 2014 cap to be at about 125MM. Which means we are about 15MM +/- 3MM the 2014 cap with about 59 players not including RFA on the roster in 2014. As of now we have about 10MM in cap space and if we carry that over we will only be 5MM +/- 3MM the 2014 cap. Now just to get us even the above mentioned cuts will get us there. The restructure game will be played though and these players will be restructed, and for all purposes I won't go into details I'll just list the player and the amount they will save on the cap 2014. If anyone has a question about how much dead money will result in future years then you can ask and I'll go from there.

Romo- should be about 10MM
Ware- about 7MM
Carr- about 4.5MM
Witten- about 3MM
Austin- about 3MM

Projected 2014 cap 125MM
Cap Restructure 27.5MM
Money from Release of numbers 1, 2, 4, 6, and 7 from original 2014 cut thread about 7MM
Total 2014 Money created about 34MM
As of now money carried over from 2013 about 10MM
As of now projection to 2014 cap -15MM +/- 3MM
Adjustments after 2013 cap carry over (about 10MM as of now) and restructure and cut money (total of about 34MM) is at about 29MM +/- 3MM in cap space for 2014 without any major cuts (Livings, Mac B, Orton, Parnell, and Costa were the elected cuts from above).

So going into FA you could see the team have as much as 30MM in cap space with no dead money onto 2015 from cuts, but an increase from restructures onto 2015 cap of about 7MM from the 5 restructures above.

So final numbers would be 2014 Cap after everything going into FA 96MM +/- 3MM as of now, against a projected cap number of 125MM.

 

[Eriko212121]

You're the cap guru. Thanks

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

You're the cap guru. Thanks

No problem.

 

[PDay8810]

Ok Ericko here you go bro, I have us at about 140MM with a +/- of 3MM for error since I rushed through my calculations, this does include the 1.2MM of dead money that Spears carries onto the cap next season as well. If we figure that the cap should bump up about 2-3MM next season we can project the 2014 cap to be at about 125MM. Which means we are about 15MM +/- 3MM the 2014 cap with about 59 players not including RFA on the roster in 2014. As of now we have about 10MM in cap space and if we carry that over we will only be 5MM +/- 3MM the 2014 cap. Now just to get us even the above mentioned cuts will get us there. The restructure game will be played though and these players will be restructed, and for all purposes I won't go into details I'll just list the player and the amount they will save on the cap 2014. If anyone has a question about how much dead money will result in future years then you can ask and I'll go from there.

Romo- should be about 10MM
Ware- about 7MM
Carr- about 4.5MM
Witten- about 3MM
Austin- about 3MM

Projected 2014 cap 125MM
Cap Restructure 27.5MM
Money from Release of numbers 1, 2, 4, 6, and 7 from original 2014 cut thread about 7MM
Total 2014 Money created about 34MM
As of now money carried over from 2013 about 10MM
As of now projection to 2014 cap -15MM +/- 3MM
Adjustments after 2013 cap carry over (about 10MM as of now) and restructure and cut money (total of about 34MM) is at about 29MM +/- 3MM in cap space for 2014 without any major cuts (Livings, Mac B, Orton, Parnell, and Costa were the elected cuts from above).

So going into FA you could see the team have as much as 30MM in cap space with no dead money onto 2015 from cuts, but an increase from restructures onto 2015 cap of about 7MM from the 5 restructures above.

So final numbers would be 2014 Cap after everything going into FA 96MM +/- 3MM as of now, against a projected cap number of 125MM.

Assuming that you're numbers are right then I'd say we aren't in the cap hell so many were so sure we were in just a few months back......funny how this cap thing works itself out and the rival fan base was so sure we were doomed

 

[Warpath]

Here's a link that discusses the Cowboy's cap issues

Today and Tomorrow: The Cowboys Salary Cap Woes - Over the Cap

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Assuming that you're numbers are right then I'd say we aren't in the cap hell so many were so sure we were in just a few months back......funny how this cap thing works itself out and the rival fan base was so sure we were doomed

This is just one of the ways we can do the cap. There are a million ways in which we can do this. We can choose not to be players in FA and just restructure Romo and Ware, or we can choose to restructure all the above and get a better OLine as well as DLine with that money. I have not bought into the hype of us being in cap hell at all; and one of the main reasons is the way Romo and Carr's contracts are set up, with the addition of the estimated huge jump in cap in 2015, as well as Spencer not getting a contract. What most have to understand at the very end of the day between Spencer and the 5MM cap penalty from the Austin contract is that is 15MM that counts on the cap for this year that we will not have on next years cap weighing us down. Could the cap have been managed better? Sure, but I believe that they are learning that in order to do so you have to draft well, and that the reason our cap has and will continue to get better is due in large part our drafts have been better and therefore we have not had to overpay numerous other players due to this. The bad contracts of TNew, MB3, Leonard Davis, RW3, etc are a thing of the past and are no longer on our cap. The next two years including the draft will make or break us as far as our team and the cap goes though. So hang tight and we will see.

 

[PDay8810]

This is just one of the ways we can do the cap. There are a million ways in which we can do this. We can choose not to be players in FA and just restructure Romo and Ware, or we can choose to restructure all the above and get a better OLine as well as DLine with that money. I have not bought into the hype of us being in cap hell at all; and one of the main reasons is the way Romo and Carr's contracts are set up, with the addition of the estimated huge jump in cap in 2015, as well as Spencer not getting a contract. What most have to understand at the very end of the day between Spencer and the 5MM cap penalty from the Austin contract is that is 15MM that counts on the cap for this year that we will not have on next years cap weighing us down. Could the cap have been managed better? Sure, but I believe that they are learning that in order to do so you have to draft well, and that the reason our cap has and will continue to get better is due in large part our drafts have been better and therefore we have not had to overpay numerous other players due to this. The bad contracts of TNew, MB3, Leonard Davis, RW3, etc are a thing of the past and are no longer on our cap. The next two years including the draft will make or break us as far as our team and the cap goes though. So hang tight and we will see.

Amen to drafting well.

I know Jerry and Stephen have a clue about the cap and money in general. They don't seem to concerned with the restructured aspects and many have said it has much to do with the structure of the orginal contracts.

Least the redskin fans are concerned....Isn't that special?:rollseyes:

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Here's a link that discusses the Cowboy's cap issues

Today and Tomorrow: The Cowboys Salary Cap Woes - Over the Cap

Really good article, and they have some spot on points; however there are also some points that are not so spot on. The points that I'd like to say that were spot on was the fact that Romo's contract is designed to be restructured, off base was the fact that Romo at 35 shouldn't be reworked, to think that is crazy. Farve played in 40's, Peyton and Brady both look to do the same, to think that Romo couldn't play at a high level until 38-39 is silly which would justify his contract being restructured. Ware would be the only contract I'd be worried about on a restructure in the future, UNLESS the team is smart and thinks ahead like I am and gives him an extension on his contract for about 3-4 more years in addition to this contract. The Cap will not be a concern for this team and could be far worse than it is, is it perfect? No, could it be better? Sure, but the fact remains that in 2014 this team can be a serious player in FA, and no one knows jack about the 2015 cap due to the fact that if it jumps high like many believe it to be than the cap could increase 10-15MM or more and then what would people say? Oh Dallas got lucky due to the new TV deals kicking in? Point is these teams with cap space now will have to spend their money no matter what due to the CBA. We will see, and I promise you these few things:

1.) Dez isn't going anywhere
2.) Lee isn't going anywhere
3.) We are not in cap hell and are actually far from it.

 

[Manster7588]

Really good article, and they have some spot on points; however there are also some points that are not so spot on. The points that I'd like to say that were spot on was the fact that Romo's contract is designed to be restructured, off base was the fact that Romo at 35 shouldn't be reworked, to think that is crazy. Farve played in 40's, Peyton and Brady both look to do the same, to think that Romo couldn't play at a high level until 38-39 is silly which would justify his contract being restructured. Ware would be the only contract I'd be worried about on a restructure in the future, UNLESS the team is smart and thinks ahead like I am and gives him an extension on his contract for about 3-4 more years in addition to this contract. The Cap will not be a concern for this team and could be far worse than it is, is it perfect? No, could it be better? Sure, but the fact remains that in 2014 this team can be a serious player in FA, and no one knows jack about the 2015 cap due to the fact that if it jumps high like many believe it to be than the cap could increase 10-15MM or more and then what would people say? Oh Dallas got lucky due to the new TV deals kicking in? Point is these teams with cap space now will have to spend their money no matter what due to the CBA. We will see, and I promise you these few things:

1.) Dez isn't going anywhere
2.) Lee isn't going anywhere
3.) We are not in cap hell and are actually far from it.

If Dallas can make it through 2015 without restructuring anymore contracts we are golden cap wise going forward.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Amen to drafting well.

I know Jerry and Stephen have a clue about the cap and money in general. They don't seem to concerned with the restructured aspects and many have said it has much to do with the structure of the orginal contracts.

Least the redskin fans are concerned....Isn't that special?:rollseyes:

The one thing Steve and Jerry do is structure the contracts well. The drafts have been far better and it is my prayer they continue to do so, this is why the 9ers, Seahawks, Bengals, etc are doing so well and turned things around so fast, they drafted well about 3-4 seasons in a row.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

If Dallas can make it through 2015 without restructuring anymore contracts we are golden cap wise going forward.

Not possible, now we can however limit the amount of contracts we restructure.

 

[Manster7588]

Not possible, now we can however limit the amount of contracts we restructure.

We'll have to wait and see if the cap raises enough. I do think your version is closer to reality though.