Guys that didn't get drafted in round 1

[CrashDavisSports]

I don't think they can collect on an insurance policy because Watson is training and rehabbing his injury and there has been no ruling that he did something during his rehab to break his deal. They'll have to keep him, but they can store him on IR because he won't be ready to play.

I think they will start Flacco to begin the season. I think they'll get rid of Pickett - No real reason to keep him.

A lot of reports I keep reading is the Browns are more than likely going to recoup almost $60 million in insurance policy. I am not sure how that affects the cap, but he is going to go on the IR, he will not count against the roster, and the Browns will recoup nearly $60 million if he stays there, with an injury that is fully expected to take a year to recover, regardless of the new techniques they have found to speed up healing on that surgery. Do you think the Browns will let him see the roster outside the IR? I don't.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

If I was the Browns, you go with youth here. Bother Sanders and Gabriel have potential. Pickett is at least as good as Flacco and certainly more mobile and durable. I would run with Pickett and the rookie QB that picks up the most in training camp and the offseason becomes my #2. Worst case scenario, they are tanking for Arch Manning next year.

 

[DanBengalfan]

If I was the Browns, you go with youth here. Bother Sanders and Gabriel have potential. Pickett is at least as good as Flacco and certainly more mobile and durable. I would run with Pickett and the rookie QB that picks up the most in training camp and the offseason becomes my #2. Worst case scenario, they are tanking for Arch Manning next year.

a Manning will never play for the Browns.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I don't think they can collect on an insurance policy because Watson is training and rehabbing his injury and there has been no ruling that he did something during his rehab to break his deal. They'll have to keep him, but they can store him on IR because he won't be ready to play.

I think they will start Flacco to begin the season. I think they'll get rid of Pickett - No real reason to keep him.

I think if they IR him the entire year, they can get insurance on that - but he has to miss the year 1st, so it doesn't help leading up to the season. To get out from under the entire contract, he would have to be medically retired...again, I *THINK*...

Was talking to my buddy the other day, who is a Cleveland guy - and he has a deep worry that Flacco ends up getting screwed over and cut. Pickett is a 2 year deal, and Gabriel is a 3rd round pick. Sanders would be option 1B to cut simply because you can more afford to cut a 5th rounder than a 3rd rounder...but either way, you have 2 rookie QB's that play vastly different style of games. The offense is going to be tailored one way, and whichever way they go, one of them is going to be the odd-man out.

He also has no idea what the plan was once they took Sanders because - at least with Gabriel, you have a future backup on the roster. Next year, after a likely down year, you get another crack at landing a much better QB. Pickett maybe comes back for year 2, Flacco retires, and your new rookie sits at #2 for a few weeks, and eventually takes over. After that, your rookie is #1, Gabriel is your #2, and you end up drafting another kid in rounds 5-6-7 to be your 3rd QB/emergency backup. The plan was in place - and then they took Sanders. Haslam really cannot help himself when it comes to interjecting his wants onto the team - even when the staff does not agree. He gets an "A" for caring, but an "F" in execution...lol

He also said - don't forget - it is the Browns. Carrying 4 QB's on the roster can't be counted out (with Watson on IR)...lol

 

[Cincyfan78]

If I was the Browns, you go with youth here. Bother Sanders and Gabriel have potential. Pickett is at least as good as Flacco and certainly more mobile and durable. I would run with Pickett and the rookie QB that picks up the most in training camp and the offseason becomes my #2. Worst case scenario, they are tanking for Arch Manning next year.

Issue here is - you have 4 QB's (5 with Watson) and only 2 or 3 of them can really play in the current offense. Odd man out? Sanders. His best fit was an offense like Miami with 2 stud WR's who have high YAC. Cleveland is far from that from under Watson, to Flacco and even with Pickett and Gabriel. The offense really isn't tailored to either rookie, but if you had to lean one way - Gabriel would be the better fit (not saying better QB, saying better fit). Sanders requires a very specific offense, IMO - on predicated on many short throws, and very little reads. Not sure that meshes well here...but it's going to be fascinating to watch.

 

[DanBengalfan]

yea. preseason is like this

Flacco vs Pickett - who will be the veteran starter that mentors the rookies. they won't keep both of them.
Gabriel vs Sanders - will will be the backup, and who will run the practice squad. Sanders as a wildcard with general athletic ability is best suited to do this on the practice squad, it really just goes to whoever the best learner is.
Watson - by some miracle he is not sitting on the disabled list he will take some time away from Flacco/Picket, but if you have any odds on betting his ass will sit on the bench playing an injury pay check, place that bet up to a 1000, because it's a good bet. not a certainty, but a good probability. there's a small chance one of them will be on the waiver wire temporarily, but they will just have 3 QBs for a short time.

 

[Cincyfan78]

yea. preseason is like this

Flacco vs Pickett - who will be the veteran starter that mentors the rookies. they won't keep both of them.
Gabriel vs Sanders - will will be the backup, and who will run the practice squad. Sanders as a wildcard with general athletic ability is best suited to do this on the practice squad, it really just goes to whoever the best learner is.
Watson - by some miracle he is not sitting on the disabled list he will take some time away from Flacco/Picket, but if you have any odds on betting his ass will sit on the bench playing an injury pay check, place that bet up to a 1000, because it's a good bet. not a certainty, but a good probability. there's a small chance one of them will be on the waiver wire temporarily, but they will just have 3 QBs for a short time.

I mean - if I were Flacco - I'm not sure I'd be cool with that. Pickett is on a 2 year deal - so chances of him getting cut at this point are slim. If you're Flacco - do you really want to go into the season/pre-season at his age battling for, not just the starting spot, but for a roster spot? Not sure.

I mean - that pick, and the QB room, is a flat out disaster.

 

[cincygrad]

I mean - if I were Flacco - I'm not sure I'd be cool with that. Pickett is on a 2 year deal - so chances of him getting cut at this point are slim. If you're Flacco - do you really want to go into the season/pre-season at his age battling for, not just the starting spot, but for a roster spot? Not sure.

I mean - that pick, and the QB room, is a flat out disaster.

It honestly depends on what your plans are for this season and the future seasons. Do you really think Picket is the long-term answer? If you don't, I would be careful with featuring him too much. What do you do if he comes in and is successful? This was my dream scenario - Before the draft, I was thinking that it would be great if Pickett took over for an ineffective Falcco after the Browns limped to 3-5.... Pickett takes over and goes 7-2 and guides the Browns to the playoffs. Fans iin Pittsburgh are miserable because they been stuck watching Aaron Rodgers and Mason Rudolph while Cleveland is riding a hot-handed Pickett. The Browns do the Browns thing and immediately extend Pickett with a big deal and he goes back to sucking the next year.

If I were the Browns, I'm looking at the big picture. You can get out of this deal with Watson in 2 more years. You can build draft capital but still give your fans a little something during these transition years. Start Flacco - The fans loved him and he might put you in contention for a playoff spot, even if their chances at doing much with it are limited. He's old and there is no temptation to sign him to a long-term deal that is going to kill the rebuild. They were perfectly set up to execute this plan with the deal with Jax for next year's first rounder. But then they got stuck in no-man's land by spending two draft picks on QBs that aren't given much a chance to be franchise guys in the NFL. And Pickett is a complete wildcard.... He has the pedigree of being a first rounder, but nobody that has seen him play thinks he has it. If you fuck around, he'll pull a Daniel Jones and get everyone excited and then fail the next year.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

It honestly depends on what your plans are for this season and the future seasons. Do you really think Picket is the long-term answer? If you don't, I would be careful with featuring him too much. What do you do if he comes in and is successful? This was my dream scenario - Before the draft, I was thinking that it would be great if Pickett took over for an ineffective Falcco after the Browns limped to 3-5.... Pickett takes over and goes 7-2 and guides the Browns to the playoffs. Fans iin Pittsburgh are miserable because they been stuck watching Aaron Rodgers and Mason Rudolph while Cleveland is riding a hot-handed Pickett. The Browns do the Browns thing and immediately extend Pickett with a big deal and he goes back to sucking the next year.

If I were the Browns, I'm looking at the big picture. You can get out of this deal with Watson in 2 more years. You can build draft capital but still give your fans a little something during these transition years. Start Flacco - The fans loved him and he might put you in contention for a playoff spot, even if their chances at doing much with it are limited. He's old and there is no temptation to sign him to a long-term deal that is going to kill the rebuild. They were perfectly set up to execute this plan with the deal with Jax for next year's first rounder. But then they got stuck in no-man's land by spending two draft picks on QBs that aren't given much a chance to be franchise guys in the NFL. And Pickett is a complete wildcard.... He has the pedigree of being a first rounder, but nobody that has seen him play thinks he has it. If you fuck around, he'll pull a Daniel Jones and get everyone excited and then fail the next year.

If I am the Browns. I keep drafting QB's and take a shot on younger guys like Pickett until they find someone that is worth paying. They seriously f'd up by taking Watson over Mayfield. Now, they have to get their franchise QB. If they have the #1 pick next year, you draft Arch Manning also. You keep taking QB's until you find one that is going to be the guy. The most important position on the field needs a large, young pool of candidates if you don't have THE guy calling the shots. That is my thoughts anyways if I was a Browns fan.

 

[Cincyfan78]

If I am the Browns. I keep drafting QB's and take a shot on younger guys like Pickett until they find someone that is worth paying. They seriously f'd up by taking Watson over Mayfield. Now, they have to get their franchise QB. If they have the #1 pick next year, you draft Arch Manning also. You keep taking QB's until you find one that is going to be the guy. The most important position on the field needs a large, young pool of candidates if you don't have THE guy calling the shots. That is my thoughts anyways if I was a Browns fan.

I wouldn't keep drafting guys - you end up with a room of 7 1st and 2nd year QB's...lol...and eventually, you cut most of them, so you are just throwing draft picks out the window (I mean - I guess that's what they've been doing anyway, so I digress...).

I would sign a guy like Pickett, and Flacco is fine. Draft 1 QB, and if it's in a draft like this past one, you realize that the kid you drafted isn't likely to be your Franchise guy. That's OK. Build up everything around that spot. Get good WR's, good OL, keep investing in the defense - and when you have another chance to draft/sign a QB - make your move. It'll be a lot more attractive, especially for a F/A, to see all the capital built up around the position rather than a roster full of nothing...

Too many franchises reach on QB's and mis-spend their money when they could be spending it to upgrade everywhere else, and also making that slot a lot more attractive for your future QB, and a much better set up to win immediately rather than having to wait a few years.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I wouldn't keep drafting guys - you end up with a room of 7 1st and 2nd year QB's...lol...and eventually, you cut most of them, so you are just throwing draft picks out the window (I mean - I guess that's what they've been doing anyway, so I digress...).

I would sign a guy like Pickett, and Flacco is fine. Draft 1 QB, and if it's in a draft like this past one, you realize that the kid you drafted isn't likely to be your Franchise guy. That's OK. Build up everything around that spot. Get good WR's, good OL, keep investing in the defense - and when you have another chance to draft/sign a QB - make your move. It'll be a lot more attractive, especially for a F/A, to see all the capital built up around the position rather than a roster full of nothing...

Too many franchises reach on QB's and mis-spend their money when they could be spending it to upgrade everywhere else, and also making that slot a lot more attractive for your future QB, and a much better set up to win immediately rather than having to wait a few years.

How far you going to go in this league without a franchise guy though? Until you find that, does the rest of the team matter? Almost rather be ugly bad for a chance at that potential guy in the draft that winds up being a no brainer like Burrow. I don't disagree with what the Browns did this year, but they need to jettison Flacco, stay with the 3 young guys, and if they are miserably bad, you take Manning #1, and you have a franchise guy to try and build around for at least 5 years as long as he works out like his uncles did.

 

[Cincyfan78]

How far you going to go in this league without a franchise guy though? Until you find that, does the rest of the team matter? Almost rather be ugly bad for a chance at that potential guy in the draft that winds up being a no brainer like Burrow. I don't disagree with what the Browns did this year, but they need to jettison Flacco, stay with the 3 young guys, and if they are miserably bad, you take Manning #1, and you have a franchise guy to try and build around for at least 5 years as long as he works out like his uncles did.

That I don't disagree with, really. My point was - you have to settle on a QB somewhere - you can't draft a QB every single year until you get the right one. Especially if you are using that many picks when other areas will also need attention.

Build up the WR's, the OL, the defense a bit - and you can find a QB like Dalton, who is a good enough QB when things around him are right. Is he a top tier Franchise QB? No, never really was - but he was good enough for a long time to have a shot in the playoffs. Even having early picks does not guarantee the QB you select will be good enough.

So, my point was - whether you pick a QB in the draft, or sign a veteran of some type off the market - yes, you are always looking for that potential Franchise QB - but no matter who that QB is, if you don't have a solid team built up around them - it's not going to matter. Burrow is a top 3 QB in this league, and was sitting at home watching the playoffs on a year the Bengals set franchise records for offense.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

That I don't disagree with, really. My point was - you have to settle on a QB somewhere - you can't draft a QB every single year until you get the right one. Especially if you are using that many picks when other areas will also need attention.

Build up the WR's, the OL, the defense a bit - and you can find a QB like Dalton, who is a good enough QB when things around him are right. Is he a top tier Franchise QB? No, never really was - but he was good enough for a long time to have a shot in the playoffs. Even having early picks does not guarantee the QB you select will be good enough.

So, my point was - whether you pick a QB in the draft, or sign a veteran of some type off the market - yes, you are always looking for that potential Franchise QB - but no matter who that QB is, if you don't have a solid team built up around them - it's not going to matter. Burrow is a top 3 QB in this league, and was sitting at home watching the playoffs on a year the Bengals set franchise records for offense.

I understand you point. I wasn't trying to say they should be spending two picks a year on QB's at mid levels. I was just saying, you don't give up on drafting QB's if the value is there. The value was there for Sanders. If you luck into a no brainer you take it even if you have a guy you think could be the guy. If Sanders shows potential this year, do you pass on Manning next year if he is available at your pick? That is all I was saying. You don't shy away from a pick until you have THE guy if the pick and value is there.

With anywhere between 7-10 picks per year, you should still be able to build up some areas of your team. I just want to be clear I was not suggesting spending your first 4 rounds on a QB and just have training camp become a QB derby every year until you have one.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I understand you point. I wasn't trying to say they should be spending two picks a year on QB's at mid levels. I was just saying, you don't give up on drafting QB's if the value is there. The value was there for Sanders. If you luck into a no brainer you take it even if you have a guy you think could be the guy. If Sanders shows potential this year, do you pass on Manning next year if he is available at your pick? That is all I was saying. You don't shy away from a pick until you have THE guy if the pick and value is there.

With anywhere between 7-10 picks per year, you should still be able to build up some areas of your team. I just want to be clear I was not suggesting spending your first 4 rounds on a QB and just have training camp become a QB derby every year until you have one.

Agreed.

Only point on Sanders and this pick - there are lots of rumblings that (at least PRIOR to the draft) him coming in as not being an option for QB1 was going to cause some issues. Both with Shedeur, and his Dad. When you are taking backup QB's, or guys with value later in the draft, you are likely bringing them in as backups. They may get there chance, but their aren't coming in with a clear shot at being QB1. Sanders, and his camp, made it pretty clear that was going to cause potential issues - and teams taking draft picks like this don't want that kind of distraction for a 4th, 5th, 6th round guy.

 

[DanBengalfan]

if he lights it up in camp and pre-season, it would solve a lot of those problems where people think he's being blackballed.

 

[Cincyfan78]

if he lights it up in camp and pre-season, it would solve a lot of those problems where people think he's being blackballed.

Well, I mean - I guess that really depends on who he's facing in the pre-season...let's assume for a moment they are keeping Flacco, Pickett, and Gabriel...Flacco and Pickett are likely getting the 1A and 1B snaps. That honestly doesn't leave a ton for DG or SS...and when they do get into pre-season games, it'll be against the same guys who bag your groceries during the actual season...
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The only way Sanders is going to shed a lot of weight from what went on is for him to be quiet while he's working his way to QB1 - and to earn that spot, and respect, of the locker-room. Then go out and do it on Sundays. Only chance he's going to really get to show what he can do is to find a way to be QB1 on Sundays and win games.

Can he? I have my doubts...but, I don't think he's a bad QB - I think he's a decent QB. I've often said he reminds me a lot of Tua (needs that kind of offense, too) but someone said Gino Smith, and I think that's a fair comp as well. Both can win you games, but I'm not banking on either guy in big situations/playoffs...they can get hot at the right time and win...but I wouldn't bank on them being top tier QB's.

 

[DanBengalfan]

if he lays an egg against 3rd teamers, it's gonna suck for him.

 

[Cincyfan78]

if he lays an egg against 3rd teamers, it's gonna suck for him.

They'll jus say it was because he was playing WITH 3rd teamers...lol

Saw a quote somewhere - there is at least 1 AFC Scout/GM - who said he doesn't think Sanders makes the Browns...of course, anonymous, so...take with a grain of salt there...but, I'm sure the sentiment is out there.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

They'll jus say it was because he was playing WITH 3rd teamers...lol

Saw a quote somewhere - there is at least 1 AFC Scout/GM - who said he doesn't think Sanders makes the Browns...of course, anonymous, so...take with a grain of salt there...but, I'm sure the sentiment is out there.

Pickett, Flacco, Gabriel, Watson, Sanders

Someone is not making it.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Pickett, Flacco, Gabriel, Watson, Sanders

Someone is not making it.

Normal organizations - of course. There is an odd man out.

Browns? Maybe they are the Oprah of QB's roster spots? You get a spot, and You get a spot...EVERYONE gets a spot!