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Also, I wouldn't say that Pete won't ever draft a CB in the 1st round... His team's did it 2x's when he was the HC for the Jets/Patriots... They drafted Aaron Glenn and Chris Canty...
 

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No way of knowing whether Payne would want to come here.

But if the Seahawks really wanted him, the cap is not going to prevent it from happening.
Yeah, I think it speaks to the difficulty and risk involved when trying to build through free agency. It's significantly more expensive compared to the draft, and free agents have a lot more say in where they end up than drafted players. The Hawks could decide they will hold off on paying Geno so they have more ammo to sign Payne, but then Payne could just decide to go somewhere else, leaving Seattle totally empty handed on both fronts.
 

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Yeah, I think it speaks to the difficulty and risk involved when trying to build through free agency. It's significantly more expensive compared to the draft, and free agents have a lot more say in where they end up than drafted players. The Hawks could decide they will hold off on paying Geno so they have more ammo to sign Payne, but then Payne could just decide to go somewhere else, leaving Seattle totally empty handed on both fronts.

It would appear that the debate about Geno is pretty much a fait accompli at this point. The Hawks are resigning him. According to Mike Dugar at the Athletic is sounds like the top salary he is likely to get is near 30 AAV. Which sounds about right to me.
 

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It would appear that the debate about Geno is pretty much a fait accompli at this point. The Hawks are resigning him. According to Mike Dugar at the Athletic is sounds like the top salary he is likely to get is near 30 AAV. Which sounds about right to me.
IDK about that, but it appears both sides would like to get a deal done, but it will come down to dollars and especially guaranteed money. Seahawks don't really have a bunch of cap space given how many players they need to resign, so until Geno sign's we just don't know what will happen.
 

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IDK about that, but it appears both sides would like to get a deal done, but it will come down to dollars and especially guaranteed money. Seahawks don't really have a bunch of cap space given how many players they need to resign, so until Geno sign's we just don't know what will happen.

Geno's public comments certainly seem to suggest that a deal is going to happen. Nothing the team has said would suggest otherwise either.

If the Seahawks want to bring back Geno then it is in their best interest to do it quickly. Get Geno a nice signing bonus that can amortized over a few years. Then get to work on rebuilding the roster.
 

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Geno's public comments certainly seem to suggest that a deal is going to happen. Nothing the team has said would suggest otherwise either.

If the Seahawks want to bring back Geno then it is in their best interest to do it quickly. Get Geno a nice signing bonus that can amortized over a few years. Then get to work on rebuilding the roster.
We'll see, I feel it would be good to bring Geno back on a bridge type of cost and a early out. I'll be a bit depressed if the Seahawks invest a bunch of capitol and time in Geno though, feel that will what ends up keeping them from building a Super Bowl caliber team. Rather see the Seahawks spend cap space on defense, QBs are way over paid in the market and it's especially galling when a team overspends on a mediocre player based on a small sample where he over achieved. It's sort of amazing how players have a career year when it's a contract year and the biggest reason teams sign bad contracts with players.
 

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We'll see, I feel it would be good to bring Geno back on a bridge type of cost and a early out. I'll be a bit depressed if the Seahawks invest a bunch of capitol and time in Geno though, feel that will what ends up keeping them from building a Super Bowl caliber team. Rather see the Seahawks spend cap space on defense, QBs are way over paid in the market and it's especially galling when a team overspends on a mediocre player based on a small sample where he over achieved. It's sort of amazing how players have a career year when it's a contract year and the biggest reason teams sign bad contracts with players.

Overspending is a term of art though. Is 30 million a year overspending? At 30 million the only QBs below him that you could consider as good or better than Geno was this year are on rookie deals. And those players are going to get paid well over 30 million once their rookie contract is up.

But sure. Let's say 30 million AAV is overspending. Is 25? 20? 15? 10?

I see some fans saying that we should just roll with Lock and hope for the best. That seems like a not great approach to me.
 

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Dont be surprised if its a back loaded deal with 2 void years, so we end up having a bit of cap hit after geno and Carroll are gone.
 

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Overspending is a term of art though. Is 30 million a year overspending? At 30 million the only QBs below him that you could consider as good or better than Geno was this year are on rookie deals. And those players are going to get paid well over 30 million once their rookie contract is up.

But sure. Let's say 30 million AAV is overspending. Is 25? 20? 15? 10?

I see some fans saying that we should just roll with Lock and hope for the best. That seems like a not great approach to me.
You sign Geno to a 3-5 year 40 million or more guaranteed contract, then Geno goes back to blah ( I am so sure he will) where's that leave the Seahawks? He will be a drag on the cap, Seahawks will still need a QB but won't have the draft capitol because they passed on drafting a QB when they had a reasonable chance of finding one this year without moving up in the draft because of Geno frigging Smith.
 
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Dont be surprised if its a back loaded deal with 2 void years, so we end up having a bit of cap hit after geno and Carroll are gone.
It's going to be about guaranteed money. That's what matters for players and teams. Geno going get to much of a guarantee based off 2022.
 

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You sign Geno to a 3-5 year 40 million or more guaranteed contract, then Geno goes back to blah ( I so sure he will) where's that leave the Seahawks? He will be a drag on the cap, Seahawks will still need a QB but won't have the draft capitol because they passed on drafting a QB when they had a reasonable chance of finding one this year without moving up in the draft because of Geno frigging Smith.

You prefer a complete roll of the dice with a rookie QB. You've said as much many times. What do you propose we do BEFORE the draft? Let Geno walk, resign Lock for 5 million a year or whatever and then hope that not only will a QB drop to us it will be the best of the bunch?

And if all of the QBs are taken before our pick, which is a very real possibility, what then? Suck next year and trade down to get draft capital next year?
 

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You prefer a complete roll of the dice with a rookie QB. You've said as much many times. What do you propose we do BEFORE the draft? Let Geno walk, resign Lock for 5 million a year or whatever and then hope that not only will a QB drop to us it will be the best of the bunch?

And if all of the QBs are taken before our pick, which is a very real possibility, what then? Suck next year and trade down to get draft capital next year?
Resign Lock for about what they paid geno last year and similar incentives, then draft a QB at some point, early gives you more options, but if not impressed take one with pick 20, or the second round or even later? Do not put all your eggs in the Geno basket, paying him based on 2022 and skipping on looking for a QB, that's just plum crazy.
 

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You sign Geno to a 3-5 year 40 million or more guaranteed contract, then Geno goes back to blah ( I so sure he will) where's that leave the Seahawks? He will be a drag on the cap, Seahawks will still need a QB but won't have the draft capitol because they passed on drafting a QB when they had a reasonable chance of finding one this year without moving up in the draft because of Geno frigging Smith.
If Geno goes to complete crap, Seattle will have a high draft pick. With the looks of it young and stroud will be off the board by 1.5 and truthfully not a fan of the other QBs.
 

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Resign Lock for about what they paid geno last year and similar incentives, then draft a QB at some point, early gives you more options, but if not impressed take one with pick 20, or the second round or even later? Do not put all your eggs in the Geno basket, paying him based on 2022 and skipping on looking for a QB, that's just plum crazy.

You seriously think paying Geno something like 30 million 40 million in guaranteed money is crazy? You think the smarter play is to bring in a QB who was demonstrably worse than Geno last year to be our starter and hope that he perform well enough to be competitive? Or does being competitive next year not really matter to you?
 

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You seriously think paying Geno something like 30 million 40 million in guaranteed money is crazy? You think the smarter play is to bring in a QB who was demonstrably worse than Geno last year to be our starter and hope that he perform well enough to be competitive? Or does being competitive next year not really matter to you?
Paying Geno 30-40 million in guaranteed money will get Pete and John fired. I realize some here are looking forward to that, but I am not one of them.
 

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Overspending is a term of art though. Is 30 million a year overspending? At 30 million the only QBs below him that you could consider as good or better than Geno was this year are on rookie deals. And those players are going to get paid well over 30 million once their rookie contract is up.

But sure. Let's say 30 million AAV is overspending. Is 25? 20? 15? 10?

I see some fans saying that we should just roll with Lock and hope for the best. That seems like a not great approach to me.
That was only if Geno was going to reach a 40 million AAV... I wouldn't be onboard w/ that...
 

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Paying Geno 30-40 million in guaranteed money will get Pete and John fired. I realize some here are looking forward to that, but I am not one of them.

Why you do keep changing the numbers to something higher? Geno isn't getting 40 million per year guaranteed. He's not getting 30 million per year guaranteed.

Here is what Mike Dugar said..
If Smith and Seattle agreed to a deal with an average annual salary slightly north of the franchise tag number, he’d be in the neighborhood of Minnesota’s Kirk Cousins ($35 million) and Detroit’s Jared Goff ($33.5 million per year). Smith was better than both last season. He was also better than Carr and Dallas’ Dak Prescott, two $40 million quarterbacks. Considering those player comps — and that the average annual salary of franchise tags in 2023 and 2024 would come out to approximately $37 million — it would make sense for Smith to see a payday in line with that of his peers.

But I left Mobile with the impression that it might not be that simple for Smith. On paper, he should have a salary floor of $30 million annually. However, an executive on another team, who was granted anonymity for competitive reasons, told The Athletic that teams — Seattle included — might consider Smith’s ceiling to be $30 million, depending on incentives (the cap hits would vary depending on signing bonus proration and contract length).

Smith is more than likely going to be well-compensated for the foreseeable future, but my takeaway from the week is that he’s a unique case, and his contract may reflect that. It won’t be as simple as using previous quarterback deals as benchmarks.
 

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You seriously think paying Geno something like 30 million 40 million in guaranteed money is crazy

Paying Geno 30-40 million in guaranteed money will get Pete and John fired. I realize some here are looking forward to that, but I am not one of them.

Why you do keep changing the numbers to something higher
I was responding to your post asking if paying Geno 30 or 40 million was crazy. 30 million guaranteed may not be crazy but for dang sure 40 million guaranteed is. Just how stupid would it look paying him that kind of coin and than he plays to his norm, oh yeah then lets not draft a QB ( already to much vested at QB position I hear), lets just ride a aging Geno Smith who come up with a shocking career year for the first time in his life.
 

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Honestly more than paying Geno what really bothers me is folks just want to skip drafting a QB this draft, lets just ride Geno into the sunset. Geno is not the future, he's a band-aid until the Seahawks find their QB of the future and that search needs to begin with this draft.
 

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Honestly more than paying Geno what really bothers me is folks just want to skip drafting a QB this draft, lets just ride Geno into the sunset. Geno is not the future, he's a band-aid until the Seahawks find their QB of the future and that search needs to begin with this draft.
Pete Carroll will ride off into the sunset in a few years, he may not think any of the Qbs gives him a better chances at one last superbowl run over smith + an elite defender.

I dont think he is worried about the franchise 5 years down the road, he is worried about 2023-25
 
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