She-Hulk: Attorney at Law

[calsnowskier]

Daredevil is getting an 18-episode Disney+ season in 2024.

I bet She-Hulk figures prominently into that.

I doubt she will even be referenced. DD is gritty. SH is a farce. DD didn’t even fit as a cameo in SH. It was a square peg / round hole fit. The rest of the show was just so bad that he still brought the quality up.

 

[calsnowskier]

im talking the character... not the actress... i assume she will be nothing but a side character... like one you see at a bar or something... only chance she becomes more important is if they do another hulk movie... which i doubt since Mark ruffalo never had his own movie yet...

I am too lazy to look it up myself, so feel free to prove me wrong…

Didnt Sony announce intentions of doing a Ruffalo Hulk movie?

 

[DarthVedder]

I doubt she will even be referenced. DD is gritty. SH is a farce. DD didn’t even fit as a cameo in SH. It was a square peg / round hole fit. The rest of the show was just so bad that he still brought the quality up.

Lets hope that Disney keep DD gritty, and that it's actually about DD.

 

[calsnowskier]

Lets hope that Disney keep DD gritty, and that it's actually about DD.

I doubt it will happen, but I hope they release DD on Hulu then migrate to Disney after 6 months or so. That might allow them to give it the “R” treatment it needs/deserves.

 

[Superbelt]

They completely GitM’d the entire season with that ending. I get that you weren’t supposed to take the season seriously. But they went too far, imho, with how they did it.

Deadpool has a constant dialog going with the viewer the entire movie(s), but they still stayed true to the stories he was participating in. He didn’t pull a Buggs Bunny and just erase Daffy out of the scene. But that’s essentially what She-Hulk did. She didn’t like how the story was going, so she walked out of the story and had the big-boss producer change it to her liking. With no story advancement getting us from here to there. It just was. Poof.

I give them a 4/5 for trying something different. I give them a 1/100 for the execution of that idea.

FTR: "Fuck this story, I want to talk to the manager", has prescedent:

 

[calsnowskier]

FTR: "Fuck this story, I want to talk to the manager", has prescedent:

From what I know of the source material, I am not a fan of it either (I don’t read it, so I am only going off of reputation and could by off with my take). But let’s just assume it is perfect writing for the sake of argument…

from that single, out of context page, the other characters pulled her back into the story that was actually being told. She didn’t leave the comic and “erase Daffy” or GitM the ending. She had a small temper tantrum, then got back into story. That didn’t happen in the show.

 

[Superbelt]

From what I know of the source material, I am not a fan of it either (I don’t read it, so I am only going off of reputation and could by off with my take). But let’s just assume it is perfect writing for the sake of argument…

from that single, out of context page, the other characters pulled her back into the story that was actually being told. She didn’t leave the comic and “erase Daffy” or GitM the ending. She had a small temper tantrum, then got back into story. That didn’t happen in the show.

John Byrne absolutely Daffy Ducked up that comic run on a regular basis.

Check out the above video to see more examples of it.

The writers and producers of this Disney+ run are clearly fans of and are emulating that run.

You don't have to like it, that's fine. But it is consistent with the character.


The below wasn't Byrne. Every writer after him continued the theme with SH. And this is clearly an example of her having a temper tantrum and just ending the story.

 

[calsnowskier]

John Byrne absolutely Daffy Ducked up that comic run on a regular basis.

Check out the above video to see more examples of it.

The writers and producers of this Disney+ run are clearly fans of and are emulating that run.

You don't have to like it, that's fine. But it is consistent with the character.


The below wasn't Byrne. Every writer after him continued the theme with SH. And this is clearly an example of her having a temper tantrum and just ending the story.

So…

Garbage in, garbage out.

 

[Superbelt]

So…

Garbage in, garbage out.

Nope. I've got the TPB of Byrne's Run. It's great writing. It's a-typical for comics sure, but the series is top notch.
He was doing 'Deadpool things' and beyond with She-Hulk before Deadpool ever did.

 

[Mebert]

Lets hope that Disney keep DD gritty, and that it's actually about DD.

The did a good job with Kingpin in Hawkeye, I have to think they intend to keep DD gritty, but could not in the confines of She-hulk

 

[calsnowskier]

The did a good job with Kingpin in Hawkeye, I have to think they intend to keep DD gritty, but could not in the confines of She-hulk

They have established that Kingpin is not 100% the same Kingpin from the original DD show. Further, the original DD show (and all the Netflix shows, specifically) are only semi-canon moving forward. The Kingpin from Hawkeye, I think, was more comic book true than the Kingpin from DD. IMHO, the differences between the two are pretty massive, but I also grant that I am in the minority with that opinion.

 

[Fish]

I think some of you people are taking this a little too seriously. It's mindless entertainment. I enjoyed it.

It was a half hour per week, really closer to 20 minutes.

 

[Superbelt]

They have established that Kingpin is not 100% the same Kingpin from the original DD show. Further, the original DD show (and all the Netflix shows, specifically) are only semi-canon moving forward. The Kingpin from Hawkeye, I think, was more comic book true than the Kingpin from DD. IMHO, the differences between the two are pretty massive, but I also grant that I am in the minority with that opinion.

When did they establish these are different versions of Kingpin, and what differences between the two have you seen?

Seems to me they are pulling at least Daredevil's Netflix run in as a canon story.

 

[Mebert]

They have established that Kingpin is not 100% the same Kingpin from the original DD show. Further, the original DD show (and all the Netflix shows, specifically) are only semi-canon moving forward. The Kingpin from Hawkeye, I think, was more comic book true than the Kingpin from DD. IMHO, the differences between the two are pretty massive, but I also grant that I am in the minority with that opinion.

He was definitely less brutal on Disney+, but I think the overall feeling of menace was the same. It was a smaller part that he was in DD, I still have hope for it. I also hope Kingpin gets his recent comic book ending.

 

[calsnowskier]

When did they establish these are different versions of Kingpin, and what differences between the two have you seen?

Seems to me they are pulling at least Daredevil's Netflix run in as a canon story.

Feige stated while Hawkeye was airing (technically a bit after, I guess) that they will be pulling the Netflix shows more into the fold, but they will not be handcuffed to anything they don’t like. They will retcon things as they see fit, so we should expect them to only be semi-canon.

They acknowledged some differences with the character, and as with the semi-canon aspect of the Netflix shows moving forward, we are just supposed to ignore the differences.

I wrote pretty extensively about the differences between the DD Fisk and the Hawkeye Fisk at the time. There were pretty jarring personality differences between the two (that I can’t go into super detail now, a year later, as I could with it all fresh in my head).

The quick skinny of it…

DD Fisk was obsessive compulsive and anti-social. He was SUPER proper and didn’t dabble in the lighter aspects of life. He always wore very crisp, personality-free black suits until he got out of prison, where he changed to white-suits. Even after his run in prison, he maintained his grasp on the proper and didn’t acknowledge his ties to the underworld.

Hawkeye Fisk wore loud outfits. He was wearing a Hawaiian shirt under his ruffled linen off-white suit (I realize this look is directly out of the comics, thus my earlier comment that the Hawkeye version is more comics-true). In flashbacks, he was a constant force in doing his own business with the street-level thugs. He also made a legit connection with a disabled child, something the DD Fisk never would have been able to do. In DD, he hurt his leg in a fight with DD. In Hawkeye, he used the cane as a prop long before DD was ever on the scene.

 

[wildturkey]

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Honestly, fighting the fans? that's a bold strategy Cotton, lets see if it pays off.

I haven't watched and will not watch She-Hulk, from the commentary around the show including the writers and cast, it's pretty clear that I'm not their target and to me the only mildly interesting content is the cameos, and I won't go through a show just for that.

What I don't really understand is this idea of educating and fighting fans and calling them toxic. I've seen the same on commentary surrounding Rings of Power (which I will see now that all episodes are out), but this fight is completely unproductive for the production companies. Yes, there's a loud minority of assholes, but they can't keep pretending that the everyone who has legit complains about the shows deserve to be treated the same as those assholes.

They aren't really fighting the fans. Ain't they aren't lumping everyone that has a valid critique into the same category with the incels either. They lampooned and went after a very specific subset of toxic incel fans. And they deserve it.

 

[DarthVedder]

They aren't really fighting the fans. Ain't they aren't lumping everyone that has a valid critique into the same category with the incels either. They lampooned and went after a very specific subset of toxic incel fans. And they deserve it.

So, who are these ill-defined fans who deserve to be punished by this gigantic corporation? Because I've seen that insult thrown at valid critics.

 

[Sparhawk]

Methinks this recent discussion is evidence that the writers tapped into something.
Love it or hate it.
Up to you.

 

[DarthVedder]

Methinks this recent discussion is evidence that the writers tapped into something.
Love it or hate it.
Up to you.

it's the MCU.

Even if I didn't watch this show, I want them to continue being successful and return to their days of offering a mostly excellent product.

Good news, Wakanda Forever looks great, I don't see them screwing that one up.

 

[Superbelt]

So, who are these ill-defined fans who deserve to be punished by this gigantic corporation? Because I've seen that insult thrown at valid critics.

No one specific. Since this show was in production a year ago, and can't respond real-time to criticism of itself.

It's a silly show and they built a strawman to beat up on. Not without some merit, considering some other previous shows that went through some stuff. But there isn't any defined 'incel opposition' to really focus on