NFL appealing Watson suspension

[dtgold88]

Actually it's sometimes I enjoy trying to slap the stupid out of you. It's a great work out.

By lying? Hell, if making it up as you go you really need to do better. Be more creative.

Dance, puppet.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Watson getting only 6 games was a joke, and listening to wind most feel the same as I do.

Now the NFL could go too hard on him and change many minds.

That's an issue imo. Public sentiment shouldn't factor in employee discipline. Basically you're leaving it to the public to determine how you shape your discipline.

Managing your image is important (unless you're an owner of course) but taking the temperature of the public shouldn't be a factor.

 

[dtgold88]

BROWN FANS ARE DEPERATE

Shows more and more with each passing week

it's more your lack of comprehension skills.

 

[futballiscool]

That's an issue imo. Public sentiment shouldn't factor in employee discipline. Basically you're leaving it to the public to determine how you shape your discipline.

Managing your image is important (unless you're an owner of course) but taking the temperature of the public shouldn't be a factor.

This is why I believe the NFLPA pushed for an independent arbiter to determine the punishments in the last CBA.

They wanted objective rulings based on precedent rather than emotion or public opinion for their players

 

[dtgold88]

This is why I believe the NFLPA pushed for an independent arbiter to determine the punishments in the last CBA.

They wanted objective rulings based on precedent rather than emotion or public opinion for their players

Of course. Seems odd they'd still allow the NFL to still decide the punishment if they want.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

That's an issue imo. Public sentiment shouldn't factor in employee discipline. Basically you're leaving it to the public to determine how you shape your discipline.

Managing your image is important (unless you're an owner of course) but taking the temperature of the public shouldn't be a factor.

IDK about that. The league makes it money basically from advertisers and sale of merchandise both very dependent on how the public views the NFL. Be foolish not to consider how players actions effects the image of the NFL be it drunk driving and killing someone or gambling on the nfl or sexual abuse. These things matter and can affect the success in bringing in revenue. So I can see why the NFL started with the personal conduct policy.

 

[dtgold88]

IDK about that. The league makes it money basically from advertisers and sale of merchandise both very dependent on how the public views the NFL. Be foolish not to consider how players actions effects the image of the NFL be it drunk driving and killing someone or gambling on the nfl or sexual abuse. These things matter and can affect the success in bringing in revenue. So I can see why the NFL started with the personal conduct policy.

True in a sense, but seems like no matter what happens the NFL money machine continues to roll on.......also likely if they make it 10 or 12 games there will still be a number who complain (but still watch).

 

[Manster7588]

That's an issue imo. Public sentiment shouldn't factor in employee discipline. Basically you're leaving it to the public to determine how you shape your discipline.

Managing your image is important (unless you're an owner of course) but taking the temperature of the public shouldn't be a factor.

When your business relies solely on public money, then yes I can see public opinion playing a major part in discipline.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

IDK about that. The league makes it money basically from advertisers and sale of merchandise both very dependent on how the public views the NFL. Be foolish not to consider how players actions effects the image of the NFL be it drunk driving and killing someone or gambling on the nfl or sexual abuse. These things matter and can affect the success in bringing in revenue. So I can see why the NFL started with the personal conduct policy.

Obviously we aren't talking about someone killing someone from a DUI (Leonard Little) since we have now evolved to a standard that Henry Ruggs isn't even a conversation because his last concern is whether or not he sees a football field.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Obviously we aren't talking about someone killing someone from a DUI (Leonard Little) since we have now evolved to a standard that Henry Ruggs isn't even a conversation because his last concern is whether or not he sees a football field.

We are talking about the importance of public opinion which some here feel should not matter. I't does.

 

[jarntt]

Ironic that the judge argued that the NFL is attempting to do just that. Hand down a penalty outside the parameters of the "sentencing guidelines" (to use your judge analogy)

I mean...if anyone has actually handled unemployment and EEO cases like I have (on the company's behalf) I'd love to hear how it is there cannot be legal ramifications for acting within a CBA but applying penalties in an uneven or inconsistent way.

That doesn't even make sense when the NFL didn't even hand down a penalty yet? She Did!

 

[Manster7588]

Obviously we aren't talking about someone killing someone from a DUI (Leonard Little) since we have now evolved to a standard that Henry Ruggs isn't even a conversation because his last concern is whether or not he sees a football field.

Ruggs? Not sure why he's relevant here, as the courts will most likely take his punishment out of the NFL hands.

Now if the courts fail to convict him, I'm sure the NFL will step in and pass a very lengthy suspension.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

When your business relies solely on public money, then yes I can see public opinion playing a major part in discipline.

Im not aware of many businesses that sell a product that don't depend on public money.

I'm aware entertainment is a different ballgame from a public sentiment standpoint but establishing protocols should go a long way towards appeasing that.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

That doesn't even make sense when the NFL didn't even hand down a penalty yet? She Did!

So the NFL is appealing to give him a lighter sentence obviously

 

[Cincyfan78]

Im not aware of many businesses that sell a product that don't depend on public money.

I'm aware entertainment is a different ballgame from a public sentiment standpoint but establishing protocols should go a long way towards appeasing that.

All kinds of companies do this all the time when there is enough of an outcry.

To say that public opinion doesn't/shouldn't matter is patently false. It 100% absolutely matters. Just look at all the companies that have changed course on DEI, and other political motives - went one way, people got riled up - companies went back the other way...

It happens all the time.

 

[Manster7588]

Im not aware of many businesses that sell a product that don't depend on public money.

I'm aware entertainment is a different ballgame from a public sentiment standpoint but establishing protocols should go a long way towards appeasing that.

Difference is we need cars, we need food, we need clothes, we don't need football.

If people quit the NFL the NFL is done. It's entertainment, if an actor is soured on he can no longer make money in Hollywood and is done, pro sports have to cater to their fans.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Ruggs? Not sure why he's relevant here, as the courts will most likely take his punishment out of the NFL hands.

Now if the courts fail to convict him, I'm sure the NFL will step in and pass a very lengthy suspension.

I was quoting Harold referring to someone who killed someone during a DUI. Leonard Little did so and skirted punishment. But society has evolved to where DUI situations like that are such a punished offense the NFL doesn't really factor whereas yea...they screwed the pooch on him.. Definitely.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

All kinds of companies do this all the time when there is enough of an outcry.

To say that public opinion doesn't/shouldn't matter is patently false. It 100% absolutely matters. Just look at all the companies that have changed course on DEI, and other political motives - went one way, people got riled up - companies went back the other way...

It happens all the time.

I never once said public opinion should not matter at all. I said it should not factor on an individual level. If the NFL sees a need to punish any kind of sexual offense more harshly than do so on the basis of fully communicating that to your players. Just as baseball did when they went after steroids.

The judge literally said that word for word damn near.

Instead we are just reading today's insta and Facebook comments to determine how to handle one case. And not all of them going forward.

 

[Manster7588]

I was quoting Harold referring to someone who killed someone during a DUI. Leonard Little did so and skirted punishment. But society has evolved to where DUI situations like that are such a punished offense the NFL doesn't really factor whereas yea...they screwed the pooch on him.. Definitely.

Ok, but Ruggs aint going to skirt punishment.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Ok, but Ruggs aint going to skirt punishment.

Nope.