commanders off season thread

[duke1861]

He can play 70 percent of the games and still fail and that 3rd is now a 2nd for a failure

Indy is laughing their way to the bank on this one.
It was a risk as Dean said....but...it was a stupid one.

 

[chillerdab]

Just because nobody else is bidding for a player doesnt mean a team overpays to get him.

The commanders and colts dont live in a vacuum. They must deal with eachother every year, so it isnt like if the commanders offered a 7th round pick to the colts that the colts would
have taken it, just because it’s a draft pick.

Its entirely possible that washington had to overpay the colts to get him before he hit free agency anyway, considering that it doesnt seemlike many free agents want to sign here willingly.

For what its worth, I hate the wentz signing. He looked done when the football team beat him up two years ago, and its a huge red flag that reich traded for him, got rid of him, and then traded for matt ryan all in the space of a year.

Its a huge red flag to me thag the colts downgraded at qb - because Ryan is ancient and the Colts dont have many weapons - and they STILL think they upgraded.

 

[skinsdad62]

Sure we had cheaper options, but not better options. Why are cheaper options even considered when it comes to QB?

when you can get the same result with a cheaper option then the one you absolutely overpaid to get

 

[deanpet21]

No...he doesn't know that.

Stop overhyping Rivera. He might think he is a QB away but that is false. He also thought that Jamin Davis was worth the #16 pick to start at MLB. He also thought TH could play in this league. He also thought a 3rd and 5th was a good deal for a top 3 LT in the NFL. He also thought Jon Bostic was an answer to our MLB needs. He also thought Scott Turner was OC material in the NFL. Come on....stop being naive.

How is it false? We gb good Qb play we are in the playoffs. ok. write off players in there rookie years. TH got a shot b/c Fitz got hurt. Who the hell said bostic was the answer? He was a vet fill in. jury is still out on turner.

 

[deanpet21]

when you can get the same result with a cheaper option then the one you absolutely overpaid to get

the problem is you dont know what option we would of gotten. What if no Fa QB wanted to play here? Then we are left with a rookie. No thanks.

 

[skinsdad62]

the problem is you dont know what option we would of gotten. What if no Fa QB wanted to play here? Then we are left with a rookie. No thanks.

Somebody would have come here to start

 

[deanpet21]

Somebody would have come here to start

you dont know that. If Wentz became a FA, we could have gotten outbid for him. Or we would want to go to another team.

 

[duke1861]

How is it false? We gb good Qb play we are in the playoffs. ok. write off players in there rookie years. TH got a shot b/c Fitz got hurt. Who the hell said bostic was the answer? He was a vet fill in. jury is still out on turner.

It's false because you have ZERO evidence to support your claim. You have literally said that Wentz or "good QB" play gets us into the playoffs. If you are referring to 2021, then your claim is simply untrue. You have failed repeatedly to address the terrible defense we had (25th). Did you know we had the 3rd worst defense in the entire NFC? Only DET and ATL had a worse defense by the numbers. Please explain to us all how Wentz or good QB play helps the defense make plays?

We would have had to take Philly's spot in the playoffs in 2021. Philly almost scored 100 more points than we did. Wentz could NOT have made up that difference. With respect to defense, Philly gave up 50 fewer points than we did. Our defense was a disaster and Wentz could not have helped. Again, the numbers just don't support your logic.

I am not writing off rookie players, but I am pointing out that two of our rookies had awful years. Brown and Davis both graded well-below average as rookies. Davis in particular literally looked lost on the field. If you were watching the games you would see this. Rivera signed off on these picks and he picked Davis as his new MLB. Rivera has since admitted to the error and moved Davis to OLB.

Who said Bostic was the answer? Your boy Ron Rivera did when he signed him to a 2 year deal in March 2020. Even after Bostic's disaster of a season in 2020, Rivera did NOT cut him but kept him as a starter for 4 games until he tore his pec muscle in 2021. He started those games. So yes, Rivera said he was the answer and signed him to start specifically. Kinda nuts right?

The jury is out on Turner? Tell us how many years do you want to give the man before you admit he is unqualified and a fraud? He led us to the 27th and 23rd ranked offenses in the league his first 2 years...LOL

You continue to live under the delusion that we are a good QB away from making the playoffs. That is simply statistically not true. A word of advice, look at the numbers every once in a while. The numbers show the facts. Your arguments would have more merit instead of simply saying the same thing over and over again.

 

[duke1861]

you dont know that. If Wentz became a FA, we could have gotten outbid for him. Or we would want to go to another team.

That's not likely and the article I provided implied that nobody except WSH wanted to trade for him. The fact that no other team made even a low-ball offer is telling. A FA field for Wentz would have teams looking to sign him as a backup.

Again, stop overhyping him. You are the only one who feels this way. Sure, we could have gotten out bid for Wentz. I wish we would have!

 

[skinsdad62]

you dont know that. If Wentz became a FA, we could have gotten outbid for him. Or we would want to go to another team.

I absolutely know that

 

[skinsdad62]

It's false because you have ZERO evidence to support your claim. You have literally said that Wentz or "good QB" play gets us into the playoffs. If you are referring to 2021, then your claim is simply untrue. You have failed repeatedly to address the terrible defense we had (25th). Did you know we had the 3rd worst defense in the entire NFC? Only DET and ATL had a worse defense by the numbers. Please explain to us all how Wentz or good QB play helps the defense make plays?

We would have had to take Philly's spot in the playoffs in 2021. Philly almost scored 100 more points than we did. Wentz could NOT have made up that difference. With respect to defense, Philly gave up 50 fewer points than we did. Our defense was a disaster and Wentz could not have helped. Again, the numbers just don't support your logic.

I am not writing off rookie players, but I am pointing out that two of our rookies had awful years. Brown and Davis both graded well-below average as rookies. Davis in particular literally looked lost on the field. If you were watching the games you would see this. Rivera signed off on these picks and he picked Davis as his new MLB. Rivera has since admitted to the error and moved Davis to OLB.

Who said Bostic was the answer? Your boy Ron Rivera did when he signed him to a 2 year deal in March 2020. Even after Bostic's disaster of a season in 2020, Rivera did NOT cut him but kept him as a starter for 4 games until he tore his pec muscle in 2021. He started those games. So yes, Rivera said he was the answer and signed him to start specifically. Kinda nuts right?

The jury is out on Turner? Tell us how many years do you want to give the man before you admit he is unqualified and a fraud? He led us to the 27th and 23rd ranked offenses in the league his first 2 years...LOL

You continue to live under the delusion that we are a good QB away from making the playoffs. That is simply statistically not true. A word of advice, look at the numbers every once in a while. The numbers show the facts. Your arguments would have more merit instead of simply saying the same thing over and over again.

I will say this , turner has had 8 qbs start In 2 yrs

 

[deanpet21]

It's false because you have ZERO evidence to support your claim. You have literally said that Wentz or "good QB" play gets us into the playoffs. If you are referring to 2021, then your claim is simply untrue. You have failed repeatedly to address the terrible defense we had (25th). Did you know we had the 3rd worst defense in the entire NFC? Only DET and ATL had a worse defense by the numbers. Please explain to us all how Wentz or good QB play helps the defense make plays?

We would have had to take Philly's spot in the playoffs in 2021. Philly almost scored 100 more points than we did. Wentz could NOT have made up that difference. With respect to defense, Philly gave up 50 fewer points than we did. Our defense was a disaster and Wentz could not have helped. Again, the numbers just don't support your logic.

I am not writing off rookie players, but I am pointing out that two of our rookies had awful years. Brown and Davis both graded well-below average as rookies. Davis in particular literally looked lost on the field. If you were watching the games you would see this. Rivera signed off on these picks and he picked Davis as his new MLB. Rivera has since admitted to the error and moved Davis to OLB.

Who said Bostic was the answer? Your boy Ron Rivera did when he signed him to a 2 year deal in March 2020. Even after Bostic's disaster of a season in 2020, Rivera did NOT cut him but kept him as a starter for 4 games until he tore his pec muscle in 2021. He started those games. So yes, Rivera said he was the answer and signed him to start specifically. Kinda nuts right?

The jury is out on Turner? Tell us how many years do you want to give the man before you admit he is unqualified and a fraud? He led us to the 27th and 23rd ranked offenses in the league his first 2 years...LOL

You continue to live under the delusion that we are a good QB away from making the playoffs. That is simply statistically not true. A word of advice, look at the numbers every once in a while. The numbers show the facts. Your arguments would have more merit instead of simply saying the same thing over and over again.

Here you go quoting stats from last year which was injury plagued. lol. You put Wentz in for both Philly games we bet Philly. Not even a question. Ok so our rookies had bad years, that doenst mean they are busts. Give Turner a real QB and lets see what he can do. The fact that you are quoting stats from the last two years for this offense is just hilarious,.

 

[deanpet21]

That's not likely and the article I provided implied that nobody except WSH wanted to trade for him. The fact that no other team made even a low-ball offer is telling. A FA field for Wentz would have teams looking to sign him as a backup.

Again, stop overhyping him. You are the only one who feels this way. Sure, we could have gotten out bid for Wentz. I wish we would have!

that is probably why the trade was made, fear of being outbid. Again who cares about 3rd round picks when we are getting a starting qb

 

[skinsdad62]

that is probably why the trade was made, fear of being outbid. Again who cares about 3rd round picks when we are getting a starting qb

except it isnt 3rd round picks its a 2nd in there . thats the first myth you spread . he has failed twice as a starting qb so he being our starter for any length of time is debatable

 

[deanpet21]

except it isnt 3rd round picks its a 2nd in there . thats the first myth you spread . he has failed twice as a starting qb so he being our starter for any length of time is debatable

Sure it becomes a 2nd in 2023 if he plays 70% of the snaps. He should do well if he plays, Its still nothing in terms of draft capital for a STARTING QB

 

[duke1861]

Here you go quoting stats from last year which was injury plagued. lol. You put Wentz in for both Philly games we bet Philly. Not even a question. Ok so our rookies had bad years, that doenst mean they are busts. Give Turner a real QB and lets see what he can do. The fact that you are quoting stats from the last two years for this offense is just hilarious,.

Quoting stats from 2 years? You sound ridiculous. Let's rely on emotion instead?

What would you have us rely on then if we don't use statistics? You continue to claim 2021 was invalid, but you refuse to address the poor 2020 numbers. I am going to continue to post numbers, which are factual, to counter your emotional arguments. Having "faith" and being "positive" aren't logical pillars to stand on. They make you look like a homer.

Claiming that Wentz would have helped us sweep Philly is YOUR OPINION and not based on fact. The Week 14 game proves you are wrong. Hurts threw for 300 yards and Sanders had 130 on the ground. Gibson only rushed for 30 yards that game for us. Even if I give you the Week 16 game, we are still out of the playoffs. You never addressed the defense and the #25 ranked defense. You have no answers and continue to lose the argument there so you ignore it.

Please tell us, how could Carson Wentz have stopped the Philly defense? They put up 27 points in Week 14! Stop spreading misinformation and passing it off as fact.

Why should I give Turner a shot? I have seen all I need to see after 2 years? Tell me this, why did he deserve the job in the first place? He was an offensive analyst at Michigan in 2017. He wasn't even their OC in college! Within 2 years, Rivera magically anoints him the OC of an NFL team. Admit that this was stupid and highly irresponsible.

Again, our arguments come down to:

You believe in Wentz
You believe in Rivera as coach and Front Office head
You believe in Scott Turner

You are wrong and have been wrong on all 3 accounts and the numbers back it up. I literally don't think you watch the games at all. I am not sure if you are related to Wentz, but you protect this guy as if you are friends or his agent.

 

[duke1861]

Sure it becomes a 2nd in 2023 if he plays 70% of the snaps. He should do well if he plays, Its still nothing in terms of draft capital for a STARTING QB

Why should he do well if he plays!!!!

He hasn't before. Do you watch film on him or read any educated pieces on him? Tell us this, when did you start following this team? Who was the first QB you remember?

 

[duke1861]

Sure it becomes a 2nd in 2023 if he plays 70% of the snaps. He should do well if he plays, Its still nothing in terms of draft capital for a STARTING QB

Your anointed savior doesn't get along with anybody and makes boneheaded decisions.

Bad leader = check
Cancer in the locker room = check
Injury-prone = check
Chokes with the game on the line = check
Traded twice in his career = check
Benched for a rookie = check

Sounds like the right guy for us Dean? Prove me wrong.

Frank Reich reportedly apologized to Colts ownership for vouching for Carson Wentz

The Colts were apparently desperate to be rid of Wentz. Good luck, Washington.

sports.yahoo.com

Carson Wentz personality issues led to Colts-Commanders trade: report

Former Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz was traded again Wednesday, this time to Washington, and it seems the same problems that felled him in Philly followed him to Indy. By Adam Hermann

www.yahoo.com

Please tell us Dean...what do you know that Frank Reich doesn't???

 

[deanpet21]

Your anointed savior doesn't get along with anybody and makes boneheaded decisions.

Bad leader = check
Cancer in the locker room = check
Injury-prone = check
Chokes with the game on the line = check
Traded twice in his career = check
Benched for a rookie = check

Sounds like the right guy for us Dean? Prove me wrong.

Frank Reich reportedly apologized to Colts ownership for vouching for Carson Wentz

The Colts were apparently desperate to be rid of Wentz. Good luck, Washington.

sports.yahoo.com

Carson Wentz personality issues led to Colts-Commanders trade: report

Former Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz was traded again Wednesday, this time to Washington, and it seems the same problems that felled him in Philly followed him to Indy. By Adam Hermann

www.yahoo.com

Please tell us Dean...what do you know that Frank Reich doesn't???

Let the season play out and see what happens.

 

[skinsdad62]

Sure it becomes a 2nd in 2023 if he plays 70% of the snaps. He should do well if he plays, Its still nothing in terms of draft capital for a STARTING QB

hell we could have had starting qb's with no loss of capital . and if he busts and plays 70% of the snaps the trade becomes even worse

it was a RG3 / CDC colossal dumb ass trade