commanders off season thread

[chillerdab]

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$2.5 million / yeat on average for this guy but we cant pony up $1 million for DeAndre Carter, who solves two positions for the redskins - punt returner and 3rd/4th wr plus screen wr.

We need a kicker, that’s true, but not signing Carter and signing slye to 2 years for 2x the money is dumb.

 

[deanpet21]

Dean-

Per this source, we big against ourselves. It appears the rumors of other teams being interested in Wentz are NOT true. So it appears that our fanbase doesn't believe in him and other teams did NOT as well. I ask again, what does Rivera know that Philly, Indy and the entire rest of the league NOT know?????????????

The Athletic's Mike Sando reports an NFL executive said "nobody" competed against Washington in acquiring Carson Wentz.​

The Commanders in March acquired Wentz and a second rounder from the Colts in exchange for a second-round pick and two third rounders. Washington agreed to pay Wentz's $28 million guaranteed compensation, a perplexing concession if no other team wanted Wentz after the disastrous end to his one season in Indianapolis. “If you polled the entire league and said you can have Taylor Heinicke for $2 million and you have $26 million to spend plus two third-round picks, or you can have Carson Wentz, I’m pretty sure the majority would prefer Heinicke,” an executive told Sando. “I’d rather have Baker Mayfield and $8 million.” Washington's pursuit of Wentz speaks to the organization's desperation for a viable starting quarterback after Heinicke was exposed in 2021. Wentz's best case scenario is a few years as the team's QB before they can draft and develop a long-term option.

Well, that is disappointing that we are bidding against ourselves. Still rather have Wentz over TH or any QB in the draft. RR thinks we are a playoff team with an average to good QB. They must see something in him

 

[duke1861]

Well, that is disappointing that we are bidding against ourselves. Still rather have Wentz over TH or any QB in the draft. RR thinks we are a playoff team with an average to good QB. They must see something in him

Well, I guess that is my point. Why should we trust anything Rivera really says? Is he a great judge of talent? He is an average coach and a terrible front office lead.

*He has gone 7-10 in back-to-back years and has made no staff upgrades. That makes no sense.
*He traded for a bust at QB that nobody else wanted and is paying a high salary while giving up draft picks. Said QB will be on his 3rd team in 3 years. That makes no sense.
*He goofed up the team name and claimed the fans would have imput. Not one person I know thought Commanders was a great idea.

With all due respect, I do not care what Rivera thinks because he has shown in 2 years that he has no clue what he is thinking. We literally were the only team that wanted Wentz. The rumors of other teams trying to pry him from Indy were lies. They were probably started by our front office. This is the same front office that lied to Ionnadis' face.

 

[deanpet21]

Well, I guess that is my point. Why should we trust anything Rivera really says? Is he a great judge of talent? He is an average coach and a terrible front office lead.

*He has gone 7-10 in back-to-back years and has made no staff upgrades. That makes no sense.
*He traded for a bust at QB that nobody else wanted and is paying a high salary while giving up draft picks. Said QB will be on his 3rd team in 3 years. That makes no sense.
*He goofed up the team name and claimed the fans would have imput. Not one person I know thought Commanders was a great idea.

With all due respect, I do not care what Rivera thinks because he has shown in 2 years that he has no clue what he is thinking. We literally were the only team that wanted Wentz. The rumors of other teams trying to pry him from Indy were lies. They were probably started by our front office. This is the same front office that lied to Ionnadis' face.

We needed a QB. I could care less about the money or draft compensation. If he fails he fails we start fresh in 2023. If he plays well we have a possible franchise QB on our hands. I look at it this way, IF Wentz was on our team last year we would of went to the playoffs. Even with all the injuries and covid outs. RR is trying to build a winner and relevant franchise. IF its 3 years of 9-10 wins and playoff appearances, what is wrong with that? Fans will accept that.

 

[duke1861]

We needed a QB. I could care less about the money or draft compensation. If he fails he fails we start fresh in 2023. If he plays well we have a possible franchise QB on our hands. I look at it this way, IF Wentz was on our team last year we would of went to the playoffs. Even with all the injuries and covid outs. RR is trying to build a winner and relevant franchise. IF its 3 years of 9-10 wins and playoff appearances, what is wrong with that? Fans will accept that.

We needed a QB but panicking and going with Wentz was not the way to go. Again, the fact that money or draft picks don't concern you is very strange to me. If he fails, we surrendered higher draft picks for it. We can't afford that. If Wentz was on our team last year, you don't know if we would have made the playoffs. You are speculating. Again, Wentz could NOT have helped our #25 defense play better. He also had Jonathan Taylor and Frank Reich helping him. He has neither here. Stop simply transferring his stats over to our team. It doesn't work like that.

Rivera is trying to build a good team yes, but he is in over his head and it shows. IF Rivera gets 3 years of 10 win playoff appearances that would be out of character for him. He only has 3 winning seasons in 11 years as a coach. He brought the same clowns with him that got him fired on in CAR. His first 2 years have been losing seasons. You are suggesting that he magically learns how to win and coach now.

The thing that posters are not understanding here Dean is the following:

1. Why do you have any kind of faith in Rivera? What has he done to provide any type of hope? His poor history speaks for itself.
2. Why do you have any kind of faith in Wentz? What has he done to provide any type of hope? He has been benched multiple times and traded twice. He has a terrible completion %, is not a leader, and is not a locker room guy.

 

[deanpet21]

We needed a QB but panicking and going with Wentz was not the way to go. Again, the fact that money or draft picks don't concern you is very strange to me. If he fails, we surrendered higher draft picks for it. We can't afford that. If Wentz was on our team last year, you don't know if we would have made the playoffs. You are speculating. Again, Wentz could NOT have helped our #25 defense play better. He also had Jonathan Taylor and Frank Reich helping him. He has neither here. Stop simply transferring his stats over to our team. It doesn't work like that.

Rivera is trying to build a good team yes, but he is in over his head and it shows. IF Rivera gets 3 years of 10 win playoff appearances that would be out of character for him. He only has 3 winning seasons in 11 years as a coach. He brought the same clowns with him that got him fired on in CAR. His first 2 years have been losing seasons. You are suggesting that he magically learns how to win and coach now.

The thing that posters are not understanding here Dean is the following:

1. Why do you have any kind of faith in Rivera? What has he done to provide any type of hope? His poor history speaks for itself.
2. Why do you have any kind of faith in Wentz? What has he done to provide any type of hope? He has been benched multiple times and traded twice. He has a terrible completion %, is not a leader, and is not a locker room guy.

3rd rounder are high draft pics? What? They are not 1st round picks. I know for a fact Wentz would of have been better thas TH last year. Cmon now. that is crazy. I have faith in RR b/c he was a proven winner who brought a team to a Super Bowl. I have faith and Wentz b/c he has the tools to be a successful QB. Great arm and has mobility.

 

[kbso83432]

$2.5 million / yeat on average for this guy but we cant pony up $1 million for DeAndre Carter, who solves two positions for the redskins - punt returner and 3rd/4th wr plus screen wr.

We need a kicker, that’s true, but not signing Carter and signing slye to 2 years for 2x the money is dumb.

I was confused as to why Carter wasn't brought back as well. I know they like Milne (spelling?) a lot. Does Olave return punts?

 

[skinz2winz]

Well, I guess that is my point. Why should we trust anything Rivera really says? Is he a great judge of talent? He is an average coach and a terrible front office lead.

*He has gone 7-10 in back-to-back years and has made no staff upgrades. That makes no sense.
*He traded for a bust at QB that nobody else wanted and is paying a high salary while giving up draft picks. Said QB will be on his 3rd team in 3 years. That makes no sense.
*He goofed up the team name and claimed the fans would have imput. Not one person I know thought Commanders was a great idea.

With all due respect, I do not care what Rivera thinks because he has shown in 2 years that he has no clue what he is thinking. We literally were the only team that wanted Wentz. The rumors of other teams trying to pry him from Indy were lies. They were probably started by our front office. This is the same front office that lied to Ionnadis' face.

And, there is zero reason why Ionnadis is still not on this team. Disgusting move to cut him. He was a team first guy who likely should have been getting more reps than he was.

 

[skinsdad62]

Dean-

Per this source, we big against ourselves. It appears the rumors of other teams being interested in Wentz are NOT true. So it appears that our fanbase doesn't believe in him and other teams did NOT as well. I ask again, what does Rivera know that Philly, Indy and the entire rest of the league NOT know?????????????

The Athletic's Mike Sando reports an NFL executive said "nobody" competed against Washington in acquiring Carson Wentz.​

The Commanders in March acquired Wentz and a second rounder from the Colts in exchange for a second-round pick and two third rounders. Washington agreed to pay Wentz's $28 million guaranteed compensation, a perplexing concession if no other team wanted Wentz after the disastrous end to his one season in Indianapolis. “If you polled the entire league and said you can have Taylor Heinicke for $2 million and you have $26 million to spend plus two third-round picks, or you can have Carson Wentz, I’m pretty sure the majority would prefer Heinicke,” an executive told Sando. “I’d rather have Baker Mayfield and $8 million.” Washington's pursuit of Wentz speaks to the organization's desperation for a viable starting quarterback after Heinicke was exposed in 2021. Wentz's best case scenario is a few years as the team's QB before they can draft and develop a long-term option.

this makes the trade even worse

 

[kbso83432]

Word is Ioannidis and Mills were butting heads in the locker room and film room. Ioannidis liked the way things were done under Tomsula.

 

[skinsdad62]

We needed a QB. I could care less about the money or draft compensation. If he fails he fails we start fresh in 2023. If he plays well we have a possible franchise QB on our hands. I look at it this way, IF Wentz was on our team last year we would of went to the playoffs. Even with all the injuries and covid outs. RR is trying to build a winner and relevant franchise. IF its 3 years of 9-10 wins and playoff appearances, what is wrong with that? Fans will accept that.

based on what ? he gagged with a better team and embarrassed himself by losing to the worst team in football with the playoffs on the line

 

[duke1861]

And, there is zero reason why Ionnadis is still not on this team. Disgusting move to cut him. He was a team first guy who likely should have been getting more reps than he was.

Again, Rivera simply has no experience with this type of thing.

Same with McKissic. They didn't offer or want him back until he signed with Buffalo. The gaffes are numerous.

 

[duke1861]

this makes the trade even worse

Indy would have probably cut him. Nobody wanted him except the Commanders.

The fact that we compare QBs to TH is just laughable. If that is the benchmark for a good QB...good Lord!

 

[duke1861]

3rd rounder are high draft pics? What? They are not 1st round picks. I know for a fact Wentz would of have been better thas TH last year. Cmon now. that is crazy. I have faith in RR b/c he was a proven winner who brought a team to a Super Bowl. I have faith and Wentz b/c he has the tools to be a successful QB. Great arm and has mobility.

Yes, a 3rd round pick is a higher pick. It could be considered a high mid-level pick but a 3rd round pick is valuable to an organization. Only a pathetic, inexperienced organization would view a 3rd round pick as worthless. The best organizations value draft picks. This is something this organization has generally ignored. There is a reason why this team has NOT won a playoff game in 17 years.

Yes, Wentz is better than TH. That doesn't mean we are a QB away from being a good team. The statistics DO NOT validate that. The defense was a train wreck. A better QB in 2021 would not have solved our issues at WR, OLine, DLine, and Secondary.

How is Rivera a proven winner? He had one fluke season and made the Super Bowl. That was 7 years ago. That is an eternity ago in the NFL. What has Rivera done here to generate any type of faith in him? Do you realize he has 3 winning seasons in 11 years? Can you explain how this is the record of a "proven winner"? It makes no sense. If he was a winner, why did CAR fire him mid-season?

Regarding running a front office, he is NOT a proven winner and you know that. He literally had no front office experience while in CAR.

So what type of tools does Wentz have to be successful? What do you know that every other football exec doesn't know? Sorry buddy, but I trust Pederson, Reich, and other football execs over your opinion.

We all want WSH to be good, but throwing in blind faith behind sub-standard QBs and coaches is not the way to go.

 

[skinsdad62]

Indy would have probably cut him. Nobody wanted him except the Commanders.

The fact that we compare QBs to TH is just laughable. If that is the benchmark for a good QB...good Lord!

dean is a homer , in fact i cant think of a trade or draft pick at qb he didnt like (excluding KC ) . throwing resources at a guy who is avg isnt my idea of great FO work when no one was bidding . NO ONE WAS BIDDING .

it was a panic move , we had cheaper options , and we could have kept the valuable resources

 

[deanpet21]

Yes, a 3rd round pick is a higher pick. It could be considered a high mid-level pick but a 3rd round pick is valuable to an organization. Only a pathetic, inexperienced organization would view a 3rd round pick as worthless. The best organizations value draft picks. This is something this organization has generally ignored. There is a reason why this team has NOT won a playoff game in 17 years.

Yes, Wentz is better than TH. That doesn't mean we are a QB away from being a good team. The statistics DO NOT validate that. The defense was a train wreck. A better QB in 2021 would not have solved our issues at WR, OLine, DLine, and Secondary.

How is Rivera a proven winner? He had one fluke season and made the Super Bowl. That was 7 years ago. That is an eternity ago in the NFL. What has Rivera done here to generate any type of faith in him? Do you realize he has 3 winning seasons in 11 years? Can you explain how this is the record of a "proven winner"? It makes no sense. If he was a winner, why did CAR fire him mid-season?

Regarding running a front office, he is NOT a proven winner and you know that. He literally had no front office experience while in CAR.

So what type of tools does Wentz have to be successful? What do you know that every other football exec doesn't know? Sorry buddy, but I trust Pederson, Reich, and other football execs over your opinion.

We all want WSH to be good, but throwing in blind faith behind sub-standard QBs and coaches is not the way to go.

A 3rd round pick is not a high pick to get a starting QB in this league. Its a risk they took. The risk is minimal b/c its a 3rd round pick. Its not the #11 overall pick. There is risk in any trade. Remember its for a QB. RR knows he has a team that can compete. Another reason why he make the Wentz trade. Did we overpay? Sure, but who cares. Its a 3rd round pick for a possible QB for the team. Teams have done a lot worst to try to find their QB

 

[deanpet21]

dean is a homer , in fact i cant think of a trade or draft pick at qb he didnt like (excluding KC ) . throwing resources at a guy who is avg isnt my idea of great FO work when no one was bidding . NO ONE WAS BIDDING .

it was a panic move , we had cheaper options , and we could have kept the valuable resources

Sure we had cheaper options, but not better options. Why are cheaper options even considered when it comes to QB?

 

[duke1861]

A 3rd round pick is not a high pick to get a starting QB in this league. Its a risk they took. The risk is minimal b/c its a 3rd round pick. Its not the #11 overall pick. There is risk in any trade. Remember its for a QB. RR knows he has a team that can compete. Another reason why he make the Wentz trade. Did we overpay? Sure, but who cares. Its a 3rd round pick for a possible QB for the team. Teams have done a lot worst to try to find their QB

No...he doesn't know that.

Stop overhyping Rivera. He might think he is a QB away but that is false. He also thought that Jamin Davis was worth the #16 pick to start at MLB. He also thought TH could play in this league. He also thought a 3rd and 5th was a good deal for a top 3 LT in the NFL. He also thought Jon Bostic was an answer to our MLB needs. He also thought Scott Turner was OC material in the NFL. Come on....stop being naive.

 

[duke1861]

dean is a homer , in fact i cant think of a trade or draft pick at qb he didnt like (excluding KC ) . throwing resources at a guy who is avg isnt my idea of great FO work when no one was bidding . NO ONE WAS BIDDING .

it was a panic move , we had cheaper options , and we could have kept the valuable resources

I agree. The ghost of Vinny walks among us sir. Panic and over spend.

For all we know, that 3rd rounder could have been used on Carson Strong and he be our franchise QB. I think 1,2, and 3rd rounders are VERY valuable. Heck, I think 4th and 5th rounders are valuable.

For Wentz, we could have offered a 6th and the Colts would have taken it. He was on his way out. I am curious to know from Dean why Indy and other NFL teams passed on such a precious commodity and a potential franchise QB. Why in the world would DET, PITT, HOU, CAR, ATL, and SEA pass on a game-changer like Wentz. Sadly enough, I think they were smart and stayed away.

 

[countryroads316]

3rd rounder are high draft pics? What? They are not 1st round picks. I know for a fact Wentz would of have been better thas TH last year. Cmon now. that is crazy. I have faith in RR b/c he was a proven winner who brought a team to a Super Bowl. I have faith and Wentz b/c he has the tools to be a successful QB. Great arm and has mobility.

He can play 70 percent of the games and still fail and that 3rd is now a 2nd for a failure