commanders off season thread

[chillerdab]

Wentz will probably be better than TH. Wentz’s arm - should he be able to connect with wr’s downfield consistently - should be able to open up the rest of the field for others.

In other words: Wentz will probably be an actual nfl qb, which - considering what washington has had recently - is bound to look like an upgrade.

Hopefully he will be an upgrade.

 

[skinsdad62]

Wince will be the new Mcnabb

 

[duke1861]

Wince will be the new Mcnabb

I agree 100%. McNabb was better than Grossman and Beck but....that was about it. His best football was behind him.

Same with Wentz, he will be better than Allen, TH and Haskins, but thats it.

This organization needs a clue.

 

[Sportster 72]

So I ask once again who should they have acquired in trade or free agency or are you looking at the draft?

 

[duke1861]

So I ask once again who should they have acquired in trade or free agency or are you looking at the draft?

I would have signed Teddy Bridgewater for about 10 million (a little more than he makes with MIA) and then traded back and drafted Desmond Ridder. I think he is the real deal and will be a solid QB in the league.

We would save 18 million, keep our 3rd rounder, and keep our 2nd round spot (6 places higher).
We could then have addressed the defense for good with Wagner or A. Johnson and Mathieu and then use the draft to beef up the offense.

 

[deanpet21]

I would have signed Teddy Bridgewater for about 10 million (a little more than he makes with MIA) and then traded back and drafted Desmond Ridder. I think he is the real deal and will be a solid QB in the league.

We would save 18 million, keep our 3rd rounder, and keep our 2nd round spot (6 places higher).
We could then have addressed the defense for good with Wagner or A. Johnson and Mathieu and then use the draft to beef up the offense.

That plan is full of "if's". You don't know if Teddy would of signed here. You don't know if we would get a chance to trade down . Wagner wasnt coming here for any amount of money. If you are all in on Ridder why not take him at #11? IF he is the right QB it doesn't matter when you draft the guy.

 

[Sportster 72]

So you would have signed a lesser QB then Wentz? Didn't the Redskins just save the money last year for a guy name Fitzpatrick?

Who is your trade back partner? Who do they want to trade up for? Clearly you have to know who wants Ridder so someone doesn't take him in front of you.

I am not saying this to be a Richard but it is easy to say "I would have .." but for that to happen you have a bunch of others play along. I like Ridder, I liked him last year.

When I look back I think to myself, no shot at Rodgers, Watson or Wilson. No one traded Carr. Garapalo is no better than Wentz and probably not Tribusky but we'll have to wait and see how that works out for Pittsburgh. Unless of course Mitch was signed to backup Haskins.

 

[duke1861]

That plan is full of "if's". You don't know if Teddy would of signed here. You don't know if we would get a chance to trade down . Wagner wasnt coming here for any amount of money. If you are all in on Ridder why not take him at #11? IF he is the right QB it doesn't matter when you draft the guy.

Lighten up Francis. Of course, it's full of "ifs". The question was hypothetical. The questions said "should have", which implies it is something that is in the past. The whole post is a "what if".

I don't know that Teddy would have signed here. Show me where I said he had to sign here? I said I would have signed him. He would have been cheaper than Wentz for sure and cost fewer draft picks.

I don't know if we will trade down. I never said we are going to trade down. Since I am literally not running the front office, yes, it's a what if.

How did you know Wagner wasn't coming here? Did his agent personally consult you over the matter or are you his agent?

I do like Ridder a lot and believe he is more talented and is a better leader than you boy Wentz. In fact, his draft profile states this. The opposite can be said about Wentz.

More Wentz personality issues led to latest trade: report

Former Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz was traded again Wednesday, this time to Washington, and it seems the same problems that felled him in Philly followed him to Indy. By Adam Hermann

www.nbcsports.com

However, unlike our front office, I actually have a brain and realize I could get him while making a trade down.
We literally have the worst front office in the league and you continue to defend them. You continue to defend Wentz even though his career has been a complete failure. Even though practically every single sports beat writer blasts this trade, you continue to support it.

NFL writers give harsh reviews of Commanders’ trade for Carson Wentz

The Commanders did well to acquire Carson Wentz given he's a significant upgrade at quarterback. However, some NFL writers aren't as high on the trade.

riggosrag.com

You give no evidence except "if he does here what he did in Indy last year". If thats the case, with the game on the line, he will choke. Is that who you really want to pay 28 million to? Do you really want a QB or a "franchise QB" to lead this team? Again, what do you or Rivera know that the rest of the league doesn't? You NEVER answered that question.

Here are some facts for you instead of "if's"

1. Fact, Wentz sux and the numbers prove this. He was dumped by a Super Bowl coach and a team that has been consistently better than our.
2. Fact, Rivera is a bad coach and the numbers prove this.
3. Fact, in Rivera's first two seasons, he has led this team to back-to-back losing seasons. Keep in mind, that he has TOTAL control on and off the field.

For the hundredth time, please explain why Wentz is the anointed one even though no other team feels this and his numbers are substandard. Please, also explain why this team is getting 10 wins under this incompetent coaching staff and front office without using the "we have the easiest schedule" argument.

 

[duke1861]

So you would have signed a lesser QB then Wentz? Didn't the Redskins just save the money last year for a guy name Fitzpatrick?

Who is your trade back partner? Who do they want to trade up for? Clearly you have to know who wants Ridder so someone doesn't take him in front of you.

I am not saying this to be a Richard but it is easy to say "I would have .." but for that to happen you have a bunch of others play along. I like Ridder, I liked him last year.

When I look back I think to myself, no shot at Rodgers, Watson or Wilson. No one traded Carr. Garapalo is no better than Wentz and probably not Tribusky but we'll have to wait and see how that works out for Pittsburgh. Unless of course Mitch was signed to backup Haskins.

Correct. Bridgewater is a lesser QB then Wentz. He actually does a higher completion % believe it or not. We did save money on Fitz, BUT we did not draft a QB to be prepared and to sit behind/learn from Fitzpatrick. That is the difference between the 2 scenerios.

No clue about the trade-back partner. Practically every draft, a mystery team trades up as they have a player rated high on their board and they have a shot at that player. I remember the Chiefs shocked everybody by trading up in 2017 to take Mahomes. They were set at QB with Smith, but Mahomes was "their guy". Like I said, I can see a team trading up for Hamilton. Wilson, or maybe Pickett if they are there and slip. We don't know the draft boards of other teams, but I am guessing we should have the opportunity to trade back if we want to do so. Rivera simply might have ZERO desire to do so. He is an awful GM so I doubt he has much of a strategy.

I agree that a trade back is not that simple. I am simply stating that it would be my preference for us to take all offers seriously OR try to move the pick proactively.

 

[deanpet21]

Lighten up Francis. Of course, it's full of "ifs". The question was hypothetical. The questions said "should have", which implies it is something that is in the past. The whole post is a "what if".

I don't know that Teddy would have signed here. Show me where I said he had to sign here? I said I would have signed him. He would have been cheaper than Wentz for sure and cost fewer draft picks.

I don't know if we will trade down. I never said we are going to trade down. Since I am literally not running the front office, yes, it's a what if.

How did you know Wagner wasn't coming here? Did his agent personally consult you over the matter or are you his agent?

I do like Ridder a lot and believe he is more talented and is a better leader than you boy Wentz. In fact, his draft profile states this. The opposite can be said about Wentz.

More Wentz personality issues led to latest trade: report

Former Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz was traded again Wednesday, this time to Washington, and it seems the same problems that felled him in Philly followed him to Indy. By Adam Hermann

www.nbcsports.com

However, unlike our front office, I actually have a brain and realize I could get him while making a trade down.
We literally have the worst front office in the league and you continue to defend them. You continue to defend Wentz even though his career has been a complete failure. Even though practically every single sports beat writer blasts this trade, you continue to support it.

NFL writers give harsh reviews of Commanders’ trade for Carson Wentz

The Commanders did well to acquire Carson Wentz given he's a significant upgrade at quarterback. However, some NFL writers aren't as high on the trade.

riggosrag.com

You give no evidence except "if he does here what he did in Indy last year". If thats the case, with the game on the line, he will choke. Is that who you really want to pay 28 million to? Do you really want a QB or a "franchise QB" to lead this team? Again, what do you or Rivera know that the rest of the league doesn't? You NEVER answered that question.

Here are some facts for you instead of "if's"

1. Fact, Wentz sux and the numbers prove this. He was dumped by a Super Bowl coach and a team that has been consistently better than our.
2. Fact, Rivera is a bad coach and the numbers prove this.
3. Fact, in Rivera's first two seasons, he has led this team to back-to-back losing seasons. Keep in mind, that he has TOTAL control on and off the field.

For the hundredth time, please explain why Wentz is the anointed one even though no other team feels this and his numbers are substandard. Please, also explain why this team is getting 10 wins under this incompetent coaching staff and front office without using the "we have the easiest schedule" argument.

You gave your plan on what you would do if we didn't trade for Wentz. That was what I was commenting on. If we lost out on the Wentz trade, we would have been forced to draft a QB at #11. I already answered the question about Wentz. He has shown enough in his past to become a good QB. Sure its a risk, but its a risk with upside and we are still protected money wise next year b/c we owe him no gmoney. You gave your plan on what you would do. I just commented that your plan has major holes in it.

There is no way in hell that Bridgewater or any FA QB is more talented than Wentz. There is no way in hell this team was going to rely on TH. That is why the trade was made. The team wasn't going to rely on this QB draft to get their QB. RR is 20 times the coach Jay Gruden was. Incompetent coaching staff? RR and Del RIo is the best thing that happened to this team in years. Your giving stats from bad QB's and major injury and covid issues.

You can hate all you want. Any trade comes with risk. IMO I rather have Wentz than any other QB that was in FA. We tried for Wilson it didn't work out. IMO this was the next best thing at the time.

 

[duke1861]

You gave your plan on what you would do if we didn't trade for Wentz. That was what I was commenting on. If we lost out on the Wentz trade, we would have been forced to draft a QB at #11. I already answered the question about Wentz. He has shown enough in his past to become a good QB. Sure its a risk, but its a risk with upside and we are still protected money wise next year b/c we owe him no gmoney. You gave your plan on what you would do. I just commented that your plan has major holes in it.

There is no way in hell that Bridgewater or any FA QB is more talented than Wentz. There is no way in hell this team was going to rely on TH. That is why the trade was made. The team wasn't going to rely on this QB draft to get their QB. RR is 20 times the coach Jay Gruden was. Incompetent coaching staff? RR and Del RIo is the best thing that happened to this team in years. Your giving stats from bad QB's and major injury and covid issues.

You can hate all you want. Any trade comes with risk. IMO I rather have Wentz than any other QB that was in FA. We tried for Wilson it didn't work out. IMO this was the next best thing at the time.

Ok so what was Rivera's excuse in Carolina? The man literally has 3...I repeat 3 winning seasons in 11 years as an NFL coach. Was he fired in Carolina due to bad QBs, injuries and COVID?

Would you call a coach that led his unit to the #25 ranked defense a good coach? I would not. You and I must have different definitions of "incompetent". Chase Young was injured yes, but the defense as a whole stayed relatively healthy.

Gruden was bad. He had 2 winning seasons in 6 years. That is very poor. You know what though, Rivera statistically is worse.

If Wentz has shown enough to be a good QB...please answer...why did Philly and Indy give him the boot? Blame Irsay all you want, but Reich obviously signed off on it. Same with Philly...Wentz is NOT a leader, chokes in games, and apparently is a problem in the locker room. This has been documented. I encourage you to read the articles that have been posted. You literally claim he has shown he can become a good QB? QBs in the NFL don't wake up at age 30 and "figure it out" or become good. He has nothing left in the tank and I can't wait to get him off the books next year. Indy is probably still laughing about the trade.

I am not hating...again...I am simply providing you data to support my statements. You can dismiss the data because it doesn't fit your agenda and thats fine. There is a reason why literally every poster on here disagrees with you.

Sure, my plan had holes but its better than the disaster this team has turned out under Rivera. I was against the hire from Day 1 and expressed concerns. I was right about it.

 

[deanpet21]

Ok so what was Rivera's excuse in Carolina? The man literally has 3...I repeat 3 winning seasons in 11 years as an NFL coach. Was he fired in Carolina due to bad QBs, injuries and COVID?

Would you call a coach that led his unit to the #25 ranked defense a good coach? I would not. You and I must have different definitions of "incompetent". Chase Young was injured yes, but the defense as a whole stayed relatively healthy.

Gruden was bad. He had 2 winning seasons in 6 years. That is very poor. You know what though, Rivera statistically is worse.

If Wentz has shown enough to be a good QB...please answer...why did Philly and Indy give him the boot? Blame Irsay all you want, but Reich obviously signed off on it. Same with Philly...Wentz is NOT a leader, chokes in games, and apparently is a problem in the locker room. This has been documented. I encourage you to read the articles that have been posted. You literally claim he has shown he can become a good QB? QBs in the NFL don't wake up at age 30 and "figure it out" or become good. He has nothing left in the tank and I can't wait to get him off the books next year. Indy is probably still laughing about the trade.

I am not hating...again...I am simply providing you data to support my statements. You can dismiss the data because it doesn't fit your agenda and thats fine. There is a reason why literally every poster on here disagrees with you.

Sure, my plan had holes but its better than the disaster this team has turned out under Rivera. I was against the hire from Day 1 and expressed concerns. I was right about it.

You answered your own question why the Colts got rid of Wentz. The reason why he left philly, if I had to guess was the coaching change and to get off the contract. plus, they got good draft capital for him. Wentz had both coaches come out in the media to support him. I guess you missed those articles. No agenda, from what RR has here he has done fine. How is your plan better? You would have Bridgewater start for us this year. How is that better? The fans really would have gone nuts. I could care less about money and draft picks we have the better QB right now and that what it's all about.

 

[duke1861]

You answered your own question why the Colts got rid of Wentz. The reason why he left philly, if I had to guess was the coaching change and to get off the contract. plus, they got good draft capital for him. Wentz had both coaches come out in the media to support him. I guess you missed those articles. No agenda, from what RR has here he has done fine. How is your plan better? You would have Bridgewater start for us this year. How is that better? The fans really would have gone nuts. I could care less about money and draft picks we have the better QB right now and that what it's all about.

Ok, I am starting to understand what you are saying.

You are worried about the here and the now and simply getting a better QB than TH. If that is the case, yes, Rivera has well this offseason.

What Pederson and Reich did cannot be taken seriously. It's called "coach speak". For example, no matter how terrible the opponent is, the coach always talks them up. Nick Saban and Lou Holtz are famous for this. They will literally say that Girl Scout Troop 310 has an "amazing" team and that it will be a tough game. The same happens in the NFL. However, in the NFL, current coaches NEVER blast current ex-players in the media. They lie through their teeth and are politicians. It's bad form in the NFL for a coach to throw a current ex-player under the bus. They have to come out and play the game. Reich and Pederson clearly do not believe what they are saying. Pederson certainly doesn't feel that way because he personally benched Wentz. I read the articles and it's simply coach speak...anyone can say that.

Rivera has NOT done fine. I am guessing a 14-20 record with a lame coaching staff and below-average roster is fine? He brought in the same coaches who got him canned in CAR. From a front office perspective, we lied to Matt Ioannidis and showed immaturity in the way we resigned McKissic. Ioannidis' agent and other agents have taken note and I doubt we do a deal with Buffalo EVER again. The Trent Williams and Carson Wentz trades further prove that Rivera has no clue about running a front office. We got fleeced in the Williams deal and you know it. Thanks Ron!!!

Yes, Bridgewater would start this year as a bridge to the rookie QB. It's better because we would have our long-term QB on the roster NOW with the rookie. This is how you build an NFL team today. Rivera has literally waited 3 years to address the QB position. He is out of his depth and you know it. You don't believe half the things you post. You claim you think Wentz could be the answer, yet, you provide no proof of that and constantly say that if he isn't....we gave up little. You are already backtracking. If you can't even say right now that he is the guy, then you are doubting like the rest of us. You are giving yourself an out and will be here next year claiming that we had to take the risk.

The biggest difference is what you said in your last sentence. You could NOT care less about draft picks and I believe draft picks are worth their weight in gold. You also said we have a better QB and "that is what it's all about". So according to your logic, as long as the QB is better than TH, you are satisfied. That's another difference...I don't want just a better QB than TH...I want a long-term answer. Wentz is NOT that answer and you know it.

So that our big differences, and I finally get it now. You are looking for mediocrity and could NOT care less about draft picks. I value draft picks and want a long-term/franchise answer. You want to simply go to the playoffs with scheduling help, and I want to win the Super Bowl beating the best of the best.

No need to respond, I am done wasting my time on this.

 

[deanpet21]

Ok, I am starting to understand what you are saying.

You are worried about the here and the now and simply getting a better QB than TH. If that is the case, yes, Rivera has well this offseason.

What Pederson and Reich did cannot be taken seriously. It's called "coach speak". For example, no matter how terrible the opponent is, the coach always talks them up. Nick Saban and Lou Holtz are famous for this. They will literally say that Girl Scout Troop 310 has an "amazing" team and that it will be a tough game. The same happens in the NFL. However, in the NFL, current coaches NEVER blast current ex-players in the media. They lie through their teeth and are politicians. It's bad form in the NFL for a coach to throw a current ex-player under the bus. They have to come out and play the game. Reich and Pederson clearly do not believe what they are saying. Pederson certainly doesn't feel that way because he personally benched Wentz. I read the articles and it's simply coach speak...anyone can say that.

Rivera has NOT done fine. I am guessing a 14-20 record with a lame coaching staff and below-average roster is fine? He brought in the same coaches who got him canned in CAR. From a front office perspective, we lied to Matt Ioannidis and showed immaturity in the way we resigned McKissic. Ioannidis' agent and other agents have taken note and I doubt we do a deal with Buffalo EVER again. The Trent Williams and Carson Wentz trades further prove that Rivera has no clue about running a front office. We got fleeced in the Williams deal and you know it. Thanks Ron!!!

Yes, Bridgewater would start this year as a bridge to the rookie QB. It's better because we would have our long-term QB on the roster NOW with the rookie. This is how you build an NFL team today. Rivera has literally waited 3 years to address the QB position. He is out of his depth and you know it. You don't believe half the things you post. You claim you think Wentz could be the answer, yet, you provide no proof of that and constantly say that if he isn't....we gave up little. You are already backtracking. If you can't even say right now that he is the guy, then you are doubting like the rest of us. You are giving yourself an out and will be here next year claiming that we had to take the risk.

The biggest difference is what you said in your last sentence. You could NOT care less about draft picks and I believe draft picks are worth their weight in gold. You also said we have a better QB and "that is what it's all about". So according to your logic, as long as the QB is better than TH, you are satisfied. That's another difference...I don't want just a better QB than TH...I want a long-term answer. Wentz is NOT that answer and you know it.

So that our big differences, and I finally get it now. You are looking for mediocrity and could NOT care less about draft picks. I value draft picks and want a long-term/franchise answer. You want to simply go to the playoffs with scheduling help, and I want to win the Super Bowl beating the best of the best.

No need to respond, I am done wasting my time on this.

Yes RR is doing fine for what he has. The Williams deal was with the previous regime when Kyle smith was here. Williams didnt want to be here b/c of what Allen did to him. Wentz is better than any rookie QB this year. Why do you put so much stock that this years rookie QB class will produce a franchise Qb? If it did the Texans will take one at #3. Plus we dont have our choice of rookie qb b/c we are picking at #11. Why cant Wentz be the long term answer? You dont know how this will play out. The hate of this guy is amazing.

Of course I value draft picks but if it's a 3rd and 2nd to get a future QB that is peanuts!!! We gave up far more to get Franchise Qb's. Teams have gave up far more to get franchise QB's.

 

[skinsdad62]

Yes RR is doing fine for what he has. The Williams deal was with the previous regime when Kyle smith was here. Williams didnt want to be here b/c of what Allen did to him. Wentz is better than any rookie QB this year. Why do you put so much stock that this years rookie QB class will produce a franchise Qb? If it did the Texans will take one at #3. Plus we dont have our choice of rookie qb b/c we are picking at #11. Why cant Wentz be the long term answer? You dont know how this will play out. The hate of this guy is amazing.

Of course I value draft picks but if it's a 3rd and 2nd to get a future QB that is peanuts!!! We gave up far more to get Franchise Qb's. Teams have gave up far more to get franchise QB's.

make up your mind , one minute he is our qb (and he is middle of the pack at best )and the next its ok if he isnt . if your defense is "we have given up far more to get franchise qbs " then my retort is ALL of them failed and that avg isnt a franchise qb .

wince has to have a TEAM carry him as we saw when then eagles won the superbowl( because wince got injured) when nick foles won the superbowl . wince got to pad stats

the last month of the year wince needed to play well to make the playoffs and he didnt . your whipping boy KC , who was put in a worse situation , rattled off 4 straight wins to get us in the playoffs when he was here and KC is just the same guy as wince (avg)

now we have a cream puff, cupcake schedule and wince might be carried to 8 or 9 wins

 

[deanpet21]

make up your mind , one minute he is our qb (and he is middle of the pack at best )and the next its ok if he isnt . if your defense is "we have given up far more to get franchise qbs " then my retort is ALL of them failed and that avg isnt a franchise qb .

wince has to have a TEAM carry him as we saw when then eagles won the superbowl( because wince got injured) when nick foles won the superbowl . wince got to pad stats

the last month of the year wince needed to play well to make the playoffs and he didnt . your whipping boy KC , who was put in a worse situation , rattled off 4 straight wins to get us in the playoffs when he was here and KC is just the same guy as wince (avg)

now we have a cream puff, cupcake schedule and wince might be carried to 8 or 9 wins

My mind is made up. We have a QB that can take us to the playoffs. Duke, was talking about draft picks. I was saying this team as done far worst on giving up draft picks for Qb's. So who cares about the picks if its for a QB. Wentz gets us in the playoffs and the fan base will be energized and you, duke, and sty will be denying that you hate Wentz. If Wentz fails, I will own up to my prediction and say it was a bad call.

 

[skinsdad62]

My mind is made up. We have a QB that can take us to the playoffs. Duke, was talking about draft picks. I was saying this team as done far worst on giving up draft picks for Qb's. So who cares about the picks if its for a QB. Wentz gets us in the playoffs and the fan base will be energized and you, duke, and sty will be denying that you hate Wentz. If Wentz fails, I will own up to my prediction and say it was a bad call.

hell we know your mind is made up . simply being able to take us to the playoffs once isnt good enough for my standards . maybe your standards arent very high

 

[deanpet21]

hell we know your mind is made up . simply being able to take us to the playoffs once isnt good enough for my standards . maybe your standards arent very high

who said once. If Wentz takes us to the playoffs he will be the QB in 2023.

 

[Stymietee]

My mind is made up. We have a QB that can take us to the playoffs. Duke, was talking about draft picks. I was saying this team as done far worst on giving up draft picks for Qb's. So who cares about the picks if its for a QB. Wentz gets us in the playoffs and the fan base will be energized and you, duke, and sty will be denying that you hate Wentz. If Wentz fails, I will own up to my prediction and say it was a bad call.

First off, I don't hate anything or anyone generally, what I attempt to do is understand why! Your rationale is all over the place, and when I pointed out this very odd position on Wince your go-to appears to be that he comes off of the books next year if (when) he fails. Now you post this which leads to several questions that I'm sure you won't answer directly.

1. Who is this mysterious QB that can "take us to the playoffs?"
2. Did Washington trade C. Wince and I missed the report?
3. Considering his reputation, how does RR sell this failed QB (Wince) to the guys in the locker room, who know that he shrinks in big moments?
4. Do you honestly believe that Wince can "carry" this team? (His talents lift others to play at or above their abilities)
5. Were you energized when this team made the playoffs and won the division with a 7-9 record,? If so, that explains a lot!
Thanks, dude just trying to understand why you put so much hope and trust in Carson Wince, Ron Rivera, and this organization's ability to win a SB this or any other season under their guidance.

 

[deanpet21]

First off, I don't hate anything or anyone generally, what I attempt to do is understand why! Your rationale is all over the place, and when I pointed out this very odd position on Wince your go-to appears to be that he comes off of the books next year if (when) he fails. Now you post this which leads to several questions that I'm sure you won't answer directly.

1. Who is this mysterious QB that can "take us to the playoffs?"
2. Did Washington trade C. Wince and I missed the report?
3. Considering his reputation, how does RR sell this failed QB (Wince) to the guys in the locker room, who know that he shrinks in big moments?
4. Do you honestly believe that Wince can "carry" this team? (His talents lift others to play at or above their abilities)
5. Were you energized when this team made the playoffs and won the division with a 7-9 record,? If so, that explains a lot!
Thanks, dude just trying to understand why you put so much hope and trust in Carson Wince, Ron Rivera, and this organization's ability to win a SB this or any other season under their guidance.

I already told you how I felt about Wentz. I liked the trade. I think he will win for us.