Game Thread: #7 Notre Dame @ #3 Georgia, 8 pm EST, CBS

[desert heat]

Can a coach control what refs call?

Can a coach take steps in & help control the minimizing of his players' committing stupid penalties via mental mistakes?

Not rocket science, son.

notre dame doesn't get called for a lot of penalties, nor do they make anymore mental errors than any other college team. otherwise they wouldn't have finished top 5 last year, nor would Kelly had been coach of the year.

and the coach can only do so much. he can't execute the plays for the players.

 

[uga8766]

here, i'll type slower for you.

you're blaming Kelly for the penalties, post 456. sorry, I don't necessarily agree. and I've already shown you nd is not one of the more penalized major college football programs.

and even the announcers saw the pi on the final play.

The announcers mentioned the non call PI's against Notre Dame as well, including one where they said the UGA player couldn't go vertical because the defender held him down by the jersey. They called it equally all game and let them play.

 

[Chewbaccer]

The announcers mentioned the non call PI's against Notre Dame as well, including one where they said the UGA player couldn't go vertical because the defender held him down by the jersey. They called it equally all game and let them play.

He's a blind homer that also thought Terry Godwin's one handed grab in 2016 against ND wasn't a catch.

 

[craigk217]

notre dame doesn't get called for a lot of penalties, nor do they make anymore mental errors than any other college team. otherwise they wouldn't have finished top 5 last year, nor would Kelly had been coach of the year.

and the coach can only do so much. he can't execute the plays for the players.

And cherry-picking stats for the sake of, apparent, cherry-picking isn't all-encompassing. Again, I'd like to see the breakdown of those penalties to provide ... wait for it … some context into the type of said penalties. Again, I'd bet half (if not more) were procedural/false start/LOS type BS mental errors.

ND seems to make these errors in key, inexcusable situations. That point seems lost on you and I believe cuz you just don't wanna acknowledge that glaring fact. They make life much more difficult for themselves in key downs & distances. This is the crux of my point you just seem to ignore … a self-evident fact that even Kelly has acknowledged countless time, himself. I don't know how much more proof ya need … that is, if you're just, simply, naïve & not aware of those facts that are relevant to the discussion.

Bully for Brian winning COY … he took his team to the playoffs and I give him a ton of credit for turning this program around - I've never denied him of that. What I find glaring is that he has a tendency to fold under the pressure of the big games on the big stage … much of that is cuz his teams are undisciplined in the mental error arena that makes key situations worse and that was, again, on full display last nite with all of the same mistakes at the LOS.

A coach has much more control in conditioning his own players than he has on what refs do/don't do on the field. This is my main point, but you seem to wanna put the onus on a couple of what you believe were 'incorrect' calls by officials. Officials that a coach has absolutely no control over. That is, in itself, nonsense in taking into account the whole game & how it was officiated last nite.

So you can keep preaching to a mindless choir … I'm not buying your 'analysis'. I find it pretty laughable, honestly, at this point and you're 'arguing' just for the sake of feckless argument.

 

[desert heat]

The announcers mentioned the non call PI's against Notre Dame as well, including one where they said the UGA player couldn't go vertical because the defender held him down by the jersey. They called it equally all game and let them play.

the announcers were biased. the official that worked for cbs didn't think they were pi's. and the nd defender never pulled the georgia receiver to the ground, like what happened on the final nd play. that said, it would have only been a 15 yard penalty, and georgia may have won anyway.

 

[craigk217]

He's a blind homer that also thought Terry Godwin's one handed grab in 2016 against ND wasn't a catch.

Interesting … did not know this.

Would explain quite a lot. lol

 

[desert heat]

And cherry-picking stats for the sake of, apparent, cherry-picking isn't all-encompassing. Again, I'd like to see the breakdown of those penalties to provide ... wait for it … some context into the type of said penalties. Again, I'd bet half (if not more) were procedural/false start/LOS type BS mental errors.

ND seems to make these errors in key, inexcusable situations. That point seems lost on you and I believe cuz you just don't wanna acknowledge that glaring fact. They make life much more difficult for themselves in key downs & distances. This is the crux of my point you just seem to ignore … a self-evident fact that even Kelly has acknowledged countless time, himself. I don't know how much more proof ya need … that is, if you're just, simply, naïve & not aware of those facts that are relevant to the discussion.

Bully for Brian winning COY … he took his team to the playoffs and I give him a ton of credit for turning this program around - I've never denied him of that. What I find glaring is that he has a tendency to fold under the pressure of the big games on the big stage … much of that is cuz his teams are undisciplined in the mental error arena that makes key situations worse and that was, again, on full display last nite with all of the same mistakes at the LOS.

A coach has much more control in conditioning his own players than he has on what refs do/don't do on the field. This is my main point, but you seem to wanna put the onus on a couple of what you believe were 'incorrect' calls by officials. Officials that a coach has absolutely no control over. That is, in itself, nonsense in taking into account the whole game & how it was officiated last nite.

So you can keep preaching to a mindless choir … I'm not buying your 'analysis'. I find it pretty laughable, honestly, at this point and you're 'arguing' just for the sake of feckless argument.

if you've got a breakdown of the penalties over the last couple of years, lets see it. i think a freshman center and 90,000 bulldogs might have had some to do with last nights penalties.

notre dame doesn't have a coaching problem, they have a talent problem. the teams they've lost to in big games, clemson, georgia, alabama, ohio state are stacked.

 

[Kaplony]

if you've got a breakdown of the penalties over the last couple of years, lets see it. i think a freshman center and 90,000 bulldogs might have had some to do with last nights penalties.

notre dame doesn't have a coaching problem, they have a talent problem. the teams they've lost to in big games, clemson, georgia, alabama, ohio state are stacked.

Isn't talent evaluation and acquisition a part of coaching?

 

[craigk217]

if you've got a breakdown of the penalties over the last couple of years, lets see it. i think a freshman center and 90,000 bulldogs might have had some to do with last nights penalties.

notre dame doesn't have a coaching problem, they have a talent problem. the teams they've lost to in big games, clemson, georgia, alabama, ohio state are stacked.

Yeah … and the announcers were biased, as well as the refs, according your logic, last nite.

I'll concede that the crowd was extremely loud … I've alluded to that several times with my "hostile environment" comment(s). Funny how a WR 10 yards away can figure out a cadence/snap count, but a freshmen center squatting two feet in front of said cadence caller doesn't seem to have near the problem. But, I'll digress to the sage 'analysis' on your part.

I'd like you to just see the mental errors on this team … especially in key situations … as a constant, contributing factor for causing too many difficult situations, but I'll not count on any of that.

Keep preaching, tho …. you seem to be making a great case, here.

 

[desert heat]

Isn't talent evaluation and acquisition a part of coaching?

different schools have different academic standards, notre dames are very high. and the south just happens to have the better high school talent in the country. it's easier for sec schools to recruit in the south.

 

[desert heat]

Yeah … and the announcers were biased, as well as the refs, according your logic, last nite.

I'll concede that the crowd was extremely loud … I've alluded to that several times with my "hostile environment" comment(s). Funny how a WR 10 yards away can figure out a cadence/snap count, but a freshmen center squatting two feet in front of said cadence caller doesn't seem to have near the problem. But, I'll digress to the sage 'analysis' on your part.

I'd like you to just see the mental errors on this team … especially in key situations … as a constant, contributing factor for causing too many difficult situations, but I'll not count on any of that.

Keep preaching, tho …. you seem to be making a great case, here.

not sure how that makes it kelly fault, but book wasn't always standing over center. and they were using a silent count.

 

[Kaplony]

different schools have different academic standards, notre dames are very high. and the south just happens to have the better high school talent in the country. it's easier for sec schools to recruit in the south.

So what was their excuse for getting boat-raced by Clemson?

 

[craigk217]

not sure how that makes it kelly fault, but book wasn't always standing over center. and they were using a silent count.

And who coaches & has control over practicing said silent counts?

Enjoy another episode of actual Brian Kelly's words that seems to fall on deaf ears that I've been trying to get a door knob to acknowledge.

Refute this, now … in his OWN WORDS, acknowledging it was piss poor coaching/preparation:

Brian Kelly says Notre Dame did not prepare well with silent snap count

Here … I'll make it easier for ya:

During his halftime interview with CBS on Saturday, Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly said his coaching staff had done a poor job preparing the offense for a silent snap count.

“Obviously didn’t do a very good job getting our football team ready for a silent cadence,” Kelly said. “That’s on us. We’ll settle down in the second half and be better at it.”

But it was a couple of piss poor calls/non-calls on the refs' part. This is comical, now.

 

[desert heat]

So what was their excuse for getting boat-raced by Clemson?

clemson had a better team. clemson doesn't have the academic requirements notre dame has.

 

[craigk217]

So what was their excuse for getting boat-raced by Clemson?

Same as Bama's????

 

[desert heat]

And who coaches & has control over practicing said silent counts?

Enjoy another episode of actual Brian Kelly's words that seems to fall on deaf ears that I've been trying to get a door knob to acknowledge.

Refute this, now … in his OWN WORDS, acknowledging it was piss poor coaching/preparation:

Brian Kelly says Notre Dame did not prepare well with silent snap count

But it was a couple of piss poor calls/non-calls on the refs' part. This is comical, now.

do you have any evidence notre dame didn't practice it?

who actually executes plays on the field? and how do simulate playing a more talented team, on the road, in front of 90,000 fans.

 

[Kaplony]

clemson had a better team. clemson doesn't have the academic requirements notre dame has.

LOL

Going into the Cotton Bowl Notre Dame had averaged the exact same recruiting ranking than Clemson the five previous year, and had actually signed nineteen more players over that time period than Clemson. Kinda blows your theory out of the water.

 

[craigk217]

do you have any evidence notre dame didn't practice it?

who actually executes plays on the field? and how do simulate playing a more talented team, on the road, in front of 90,000 fans.

YGTBSM?

I'm pretty sure I even posted Kelly took the practices indoors with their sound system blaring during their practice week in this thread.

Are you naïve to that, also?

I put his own words up for you to see and this is the response you come up with? This is beyond doorknob level debating, now.

Carry on, son.

 

[desert heat]

And who coaches & has control over practicing said silent counts?

Enjoy another episode of actual Brian Kelly's words that seems to fall on deaf ears that I've been trying to get a door knob to acknowledge.

Refute this, now … in his OWN WORDS, acknowledging it was piss poor coaching/preparation:

Brian Kelly says Notre Dame did not prepare well with silent snap count

Here … I'll make it easier for ya:


But it was a couple of piss poor calls/non-calls on the refs' part. This is comical, now.

i never put the loss on the pi non call. i blamed the ND penalties.

now how about you go back under your rock, and obsess about kelly and ND football.

 

[craigk217]

LOL

Going into the Cotton Bowl Notre Dame had averaged the exact same recruiting ranking than Clemson the five previous year, and had actually signed nineteen more players over that time period than Clemson. Kinda blows your theory out of the water.

Pretty sure ND has had consistent top 15+ recruiting classes under Kelly. It's been a while since I checked really closely, but recruiting talent is not the nexus of ND's game time performances.