Consensus of Who Isn't Returned?

[Al Falfa]

and i posted my opinions numerous times and every time i do you make comments about rumors.

1. the Rangers should make a maximum effort to re-sign CJ.
2. they need to re-sign Michael Gonzalez to a 2 or 3 year deal.
3. they need to let Oliver walk and look to sign Javier Lopez as their 2nd lefty in the bullpen.
4. i see Colby as a liability. has he produced for us? yes, but he also is a batting practice pitcher at times leading the league in homeruns allowed and if we could sign an Oswalt or Buehrle to a low-impact 2 or 3 year deal then i would buy out Colby.
5. i would look at 1st base as our 1 weak area and look to replace Moreland with a better quality player. it wouldn't hurt to look at Pujols or Fielder and maybe we could get one. or if that's not going to happen then i would look at Casey Kotchman.

Define maximum effort to resign CJ.

Resign a LH specialist to a 2 or 3 year contract?? Uhh, nope.

Buy Colby out then sign a fly ball pitcher with a bad back on the down side of his career and a pitcher who leads the league in giving up base hits to pitch RBiA? Sounds a bit iffy to me.

If Harrison gets a break because of promise then why in the world would we write off Moreland for a journeyman 1st baseman who had one good year?


I know you like saying that Ryan said said they are willing to spend the money, but they also have a budget. They still have to sign Hamilton and Cruz and deal with Andrus and Kinsler on long term deals. Then there's the 16 million going to a DH who hits singles. Giving 20 million a year to Puljos or Fielder seems like a stretch when it's pitching that really kept us from winning the WS.
JMO...

 

[scotsman1948]

Define maximum effort to resign CJ.

Resign a LH specialist to a 2 or 3 year contract?? Uhh, nope.

Buy Colby out then sign a fly ball pitcher with a bad back on the down side of his career and a pitcher who leads the league in giving up base hits to pitch RBiA? Sounds a bit iffy to me.

If Harrison gets a break because of promise then why in the world would we write off Moreland for a journeyman 1st baseman who had one good year?


I know you like saying that Ryan said said they are willing to spend the money, but they also have a budget. They still have to sign Hamilton and Cruz and deal with Andrus and Kinsler on long term deals. Then there's the 16 million going to a DH who hits singles. Giving 20 million a year to Puljos or Fielder seems like a stretch when it's pitching that really kept us from winning the WS.
JMO...

well what would you do? you like to criticize others' suggestions, so tell us what you would do to keep the team competitive?

 

[Al Falfa]

well what would you do? you like to criticize others' suggestions, so tell us what you would do to keep the team competitive?

Jesus H Christ man, you are way to touchy. Since when is disagreement or another opinion being critical of your opinion?

 

[jta4437]

where did you come up with the 125+M total? i've review several sites and the Rangers have about 22 players under contract (including arbitration) at around 100M. we could release 1 (Colby) and possibly trade 1 or 2 of the others bring the payroll down to the 92.5M which would allow the rangers to pursue at least 2 maybe 3 free agents

There's players to pay on our team past next season

 

[scotsman1948]

Jesus H Christ man, you are way to touchy. Since when is disagreement or another opinion being critical of your opinion?

all i ask is what would you do this off-season?

if we don't participate in the bidding war, who would you replace CJ and his 16-7 record and 2.94 ERA with?

you're down on Harrison, so who do you replace him and his 14-9 record and 3.39 ERA with?

that's 30 wins that will have to be replaced.

 

[Windingmywatch]

where did you come up with the 125+M total? i've review several sites and the Rangers have about 22 players under contract (including arbitration) at around 100M. we could release 1 (Colby) and possibly trade 1 or 2 of the others bring the payroll down to the 92.5M which would allow the rangers to pursue at least 2 maybe 3 free agents

Scotty... Know you aren't as much of a Colby fan as some of us who base their fanhood on things like winning post season games. TEX isn't going to release him.

You forget that Colby had an injured hip all season and you never heard him whine or ask for a day off. He may not be a #2 ... but he's easily a #3-4 ... and he wins in the post season on the road. Resigning him should be simple comiing off a $5MM/2yrs plus CO for '12 ... he might be resigned for a total package of $10MM for a 1 year plus second vested year plus option to carry him through age 34.

IMO Colby will be back ... pitching in the #3 or #4 spot behind Free Agent Aquisition TBD, Holland, Feldman ... and in front of AAA prospect (Hurley, Hamburger, Kirkman, Ramirez and/or Perez).

 

[Windingmywatch]

all i ask is what would you do this off-season?

if we don't participate in the bidding war, who would you replace CJ and his 16-7 record and 2.94 ERA with?

you're down on Harrison, so who do you replace him and his 14-9 record and 3.39 ERA with?

that's 30 wins that will have to be replaced.

Scotty... You are right have to replace 30 wins in two spots ... an FA (recognizing how much I dislike FA acquisitions) has to be of the quality that can replace CJ's wins ... and Harrison might fight his way back to get one more shot but Harrison's 14 wins aren't a sure thing if it were Harrison in the rotation ... so no reason that those 14 wins couldn't be picked up by Feldman if he were put in the rotation instead of Harrison.

In my other post I left Ogando out of the rotation deliberately ... preferring to have him back in his 2inning BP role at the beginning of the season making room for a breakout opportunity for someone else ... and then at the break TEX puts Ogando back into the rotation for the run. For sure I know that Feliz is not in the rotation until heake fights for the job. Past Feldman the other guys to cover Harrison's and Ogando's wins I suggest include all of the guys I noted above plus Ogando himself. The key is as many have noted that there is a need for a real #1 ... not a #1 who gets the job through seniority.

 

[scotsman1948]

Scotty... You are right have to replace 30 wins in two spots ... an FA (recognizing how much I dislike FA acquisitions) has to be of the quality that can replace CJ's wins ... and Harrison might fight his way back to get one more shot but Harrison's 14 wins aren't a sure thing if it were Harrison in the rotation ... so no reason that those 14 wins couldn't be picked up by Feldman if he were put in the rotation instead of Harrison.

In my other post I left Ogando out of the rotation deliberately ... preferring to have him back in his 2inning BP role at the beginning of the season making room for a breakout opportunity for someone else ... and then at the break TEX puts Ogando back into the rotation for the run. For sure I know that Feliz is not in the rotation until heake fights for the job. Past Feldman the other guys to cover Harrison's and Ogando's wins I suggest include all of the guys I noted above plus Ogando himself. The key is as many have noted that there is a need for a real #1 ... not a #1 who gets the job through seniority.

Actually if you also drop Ogando back into the bullpen, you're replacing 2/3rd's of the rotation that got you to WS and 53 wins out the 96 wins the team had which would make it virtually impossible for the team to repeat. Feliz is even less prepared for a starting role than Ogando so you take a step back there. someone recommended replacing Harrison with Hamburger which again is a step backwards and Feldman might equal out. and as others have pointed out most of the free agents available are not as good as CJ so i can see a possible drop-off from the 53 wins by as much as 10-12 wins. are we as fans and as a team prepared to see our record drop from 96-66 to around 88-74 and not make the playoffs?

you want your team to move forward and replacing 2/3rd's of your starting rotation is a DEFINITE step or steps backwards. you go into the off-season with your team as set as you can with as few changes as you can.

 

[Al Falfa]

Actually if you also drop Ogando back into the bullpen, you're replacing 2/3rd's of the rotation that got you to WS and 53 wins out the 96 wins the team had which would make it virtually impossible for the team to repeat. Feliz is even less prepared for a starting role than Ogando so you take a step back there. someone recommended replacing Harrison with Hamburger which again is a step backwards and Feldman might equal out. and as others have pointed out most of the free agents available are not as good as CJ so i can see a possible drop-off from the 53 wins by as much as 10-12 wins. are we as fans and as a team prepared to see our record drop from 96-66 to around 88-74 and not make the playoffs?

you want your team to move forward and replacing 2/3rd's of your starting rotation is a DEFINITE step or steps backwards. you go into the off-season with your team as set as you can with as few changes as you can.

With all due respect Scotsman, you have been using these projected wins and losses projections to justify the "if we don't do this or that" thought process for years now and frankly, most of them have been way off base.

 

[scotsman1948]

With all due respect Scotsman, you have been using these projected wins and losses projections to justify the "if we don't do this or that" thought process for years now and frankly, most of them have been way off base.

okay, so let's do it. let's replace 3 of our 5 starters and see how bad this team can be.

a lot of you are convinced that we can do it and it won't affect our 2012 season i don't agree

 

[Al Falfa]

okay, so let's do it. let's replace 3 of our 5 starters and see how bad this team can be.

a lot of you are convinced that we can do it and it won't affect our 2012 season i don't agree

Well for starters, the only pitcher that is in doubt is CJ. Ogando is not going back to the pen and since I don't have my Jon Daniels issued jr GM badge yet, my suggestion about Harrison doesn't really mean jack.

I think CJ walks for a better deal and temporarily gets replaced by Feldman, Colby gets signed and Harrison and Holland stay put..JMO, but I don't like Harrison as a long term rotation starter.

I still think we screwed up by trading Wieland and Erlin for Adams. They would sure come in handy right now in a trade for a starter.

 

[scotsman1948]

Well for starters, the only pitcher that is in doubt is CJ. Ogando is not going back to the pen and since I don't have my Jon Daniels issued jr GM badge yet, my suggestion about Harrison doesn't really mean jack.

I think CJ walks for a better deal and temporarily gets replaced by Feldman, Colby gets signed and Harrison and Holland stay put..JMO, but I don't like Harrison as a long term rotation starter.

I still think we screwed up by trading Wieland and Erlin for Adams. They would sure come in handy right now in a trade for a starter.

Colby is already under contract for next season with a buyout clause. i can live with Feldman in the rotation in place of Colby and his 35 homers during the regular season but if we have to replace CJ then it needs to be with an Ace

 

[jta4437]

If push comes to shove CJ is the best FA starter available right now

If HE decides to re-sign, and I think the Rangers will make him a fair offer, then I'd go with the same guys again, You're probably looking at similar seasons that you've gotten out of Lewis and Wilson the last 2 years, plus any growth you can expect out of Ogando (3rd pitch & more starting experience), Harrison and Holland (mental toughness and experience)

If Wilson decides to go elsewhere I'd just assume fill his position internally (Feldman or another young guy) rather than paying millions to a Oswalt or a Buehrle

It might mean a worse record and maybe a non-playoff season, but that could also be said about replacing Wilson with one those 2 and it would be better for the team long term

 

[scotsman1948]

If push comes to shove CJ is the best FA starter available right now

If HE decides to re-sign, and I think the Rangers will make him a fair offer, then I'd go with the same guys again, You're probably looking at similar seasons that you've gotten out of Lewis and Wilson the last 2 years, plus any growth you can expect out of Ogando (3rd pitch & more starting experience), Harrison and Holland (mental toughness and experience)

If Wilson decides to go elsewhere I'd just assume fill his position internally (Feldman or another young guy) rather than paying millions to a Oswalt or a Buehrle

It might mean a worse record and maybe a non-playoff season, but that could also be said about replacing Wilson with one those 2 and it would be better for the team long term

everything you say is true but like a lot of Rangers fans i don't want to see the team backpedal now. and from listening to Nolan & JD they aren't ready to do that either. but we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

 

[Al Falfa]

Colby is already under contract for next season with a buyout clause. i can live with Feldman in the rotation in place of Colby and his 35 homers during the regular season but if we have to replace CJ then it needs to be with an Ace

If Lewis is here next year then that's great. I'm not sure the 35 homers are worth worrying about when it's the finish line that matters. And if he doesn't pan out then there is always long relief.

 

[Windingmywatch]

okay, so let's do it. let's replace 3 of our 5 starters and see how bad this team can be.

a lot of you are convinced that we can do it and it won't affect our 2012 season i don't agree

How many SPs were replaced between 2010 and 2011 WS seasons? Three.

Harden, Feldman, Hunter

 

[Windingmywatch]

If Lewis is here next year then that's great. I'm not sure the 35 homers are worth worrying about when it's the finish line that matters. And if he doesn't pan out then there is always long relief.

Good point. Giving up the HRs is troublesome ... but he also won 14 games and they count in the standings. HR's don't count in the standings.

At least Colby is always around the plate ... unlike someone else who is "wild high early" a lot.

 

[jta4437]

everything you say is true but like a lot of Rangers fans i don't want to see the team backpedal now. and from listening to Nolan & JD they aren't ready to do that either. but we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

I don't even see replacing CJ with someone internally as opposed to the Oswalt's or Buehrle's of the world as backpedaling

Darvish is the one pitcher I see as a significant potential upgrade and I don't like him at a 100 million+ contract

 

[fordman84]

I project the following are off the 40-man by Opening Day

Omar Beltre (see ya big guy ... made it to the big time for a cpl of outings)
Mike Gonzalez (just too old ... and BAL lucked out with TEX trading Strop for you)
Yoshi Tateyama (back to Japan)
Koji Uehara (traded back to BAL ... maybe for Pedro Strop! Hope hope hope)
Merkin Valdez (who?)
Darren Oliver (retires and TEX does not talk him out of it)
Brandon Webb (maybe signs a minor league contract otherwise ... see ya)
CJ Wilson (can't win the big ones ... signs with Florida)

Taylor Teagarden (maybe signed on a minor league deal)
Matt Treanor (retires takes coaching position for TEX)
Yorvit Torrealba (traded for anything they can get)

Andres Blanco (too injury prone)
Esteban German (adios)

Julio Borbon (traded along with Torrealba)

On the cusp ... David Murphy (maybe a sign and trade) and Darren O'Day (although he's pretty cheap)

Step back off the ledge. Can't cut 2 of your 3 catchers, and when have we ever seen a sign and trade in MLB?

 

[fordman84]

My opinion, CJ hurt himself immensely in the playoffs. I'd offer him 5 years at $12M per and if he doesn't want it, see ya. As for Pujols, he was rumored to want 10/$300M. NEVER going to get that. Can't give a guy $30M a year. I'd rather take $30M a year and resign Elvis, Josh, Holland, Harry, and Nap. You could get them all for $30M a year.