2019 NBA Playoffs thread

[buckalis]

Yes, including Hill's contract. Thus, the trade value of his contract is equal to the guaranteed portion under the new CBA.

If Hill would have signed on the 2nd of July or later, then he would still be under his 2nd year terms and the day that the team can claim waivers on him, would be on the 1st day his 3rd year start... wouldn't it?

Therefore if the team has the option to claim waivers on Hill's 3rd year by the 2nd of July 2019, it means that Hill signed with Sacramento before the 2nd of July of 2017.

 

[shopson67]

No it's not... it's with the old CBA. On the article you posted the reporter assumes that Hill's contract was signed at the 10th of July, but it is clear from the contract terms that before the 2nd of each July, Hill is in his guaranteed part of the contract and then on the 2nd of July 2019, the team can either pay him 1M and release him or guarantee the third year's salary. Clearly Hill has signed before the 2nd of July of 2017 and tweeted that he has signed with Sacramento a 3/57M contract on the 4th of July the day he got engaged.

YOU CAN'T SIGN ANYONE BEFORE THE MORATORIUM ENDS. In 2017, the moratorium ran from 7/1 to 7/6. The league year begins on 7/1 every year, thus the guaranteed portion of his contract beginning. It has nothing to do with his actual signing date. If a player signs on 8/2, his contract does not end on 8/1 the next year; it ends on 6/30, the last day of the league year.

 

[shopson67]

If Hill would have signed on the 2nd of July or later, then he would still be under his 2nd year terms and the day that the team can claim waivers on him, would be on the 1st day his 3rd year start... wouldn't it?

Therefore if the team has the option to claim waivers on Hill's 3rd year by the 2nd of July 2019, it means that Hill signed with Sacramento before the 2nd of July of 2017.

He signed his contract on July 10, 2017. The waiver date has nothing to do with his signing date, it has to do with the beginning of the league year.

 

[buckalis]

YOU CAN'T SIGN ANYONE BEFORE THE MORATORIUM ENDS. In 2017, the moratorium ran from 7/1 to 7/6. The league year begins on 7/1 every year, thus the guaranteed portion of his contract beginning. It has nothing to do with his actual signing date. If a player signs on 8/2, his contract does not end on 8/1 the next year; it ends on 6/30, the last day of the league year.

Exactly this... Hill tweeted that he has signed with Sacramento on the 4th of July 2017


Which means that he signed before the 1st of july!

Can't you see the date on the tweet?

 

[shopson67]

Exactly this... Hill tweeted that he has signed with Sacramento on the 4th of July 2017


Which means that he signed before the 1st of july!

Can't you see the date on the tweet?

That doesn't become official until the moratorium ends. This really isn't a difficult concept. Try harder.

 

[trojanfan12]

Exactly this... Hill tweeted that he has signed with Sacramento on the 4th of July 2017


Which means that he signed before the 1st of july!

Can't you see the date on the tweet?

Not in that tweet he didn't. He said "God is good", he didn't say anything about having signed.

Assuming he was tweeting "God is good" because of his contract it means that an agreement was reached, not that anything was signed.

It's really simple, teams and players can reach agreements on contracts, they can have the contracts all written and ready to go, but they can't officially sign anything until after the moratorium.

 

[buckalis]

That doesn't become official until the moratorium ends. This really isn't a difficult concept. Try harder.

The moratorium is valid after the preseason starts which then means that the 17/18 season has officially started... before July the 1st, it was still the 16/17 season.

 

[shopson67]

The moratorium is valid after the preseason starts which then means that the 17/18 season has officially started... before July the 1st, it was still the 16/17 season.

Just keep digging yourself deeper....

 

[buckalis]

Not in that tweet he didn't. He said "God is good", he didn't say anything about having signed.

Assuming he was tweeting "God is good" because of his contract it means that an agreement was reached, not that anything was signed.

It's really simple, teams and players can reach agreements on contracts, they have the contracts all filled out and ready to go, but they can't officially sign anything until after the moratorium.

Can't you see the link to the Sacramento's instagram official announcement? ...it's written in English... it spells S-a-c-r-a-m-e-n-t-o

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Lol this again

 

[buckalis]

"The league year begins on 7/1 every year, thus the guaranteed portion of his contract beginning. It has nothing to do with his actual signing date. If a player signs on 8/2, his contract does not end on 8/1 the next year; it ends on 6/30, the last day of the league year."

That part is completely wrong... only the last year on a player's signed contract ends on June the 30th... In other words, if a player signs on 8/2, a three year contract then his second and third year start at 8/2 and only his third season has to end by 6/30 (unless if he is waived before the 30th of June).

If in the above example a player signs on 8/2 with the 3rd year non guaranteed, then the team has to waive him before the 8/3 of his last season.

 

[shopson67]

That part is completely wrong... only the last year on a player's signed contract ends on June the 30th... In other words, if a player signs on 8/2, a three year contract then his second and third year start at 8/2 and only his third season has to end by 6/30 (unless if he is waived before the 30th of June).

If in the above example a player signs on 8/2 with the 3rd year non guaranteed, then the team has to waive him before the 8/3 of his last season.

None of that matters in the discussion at hand.

 

[buckalis]

None of that matters in the discussion at hand.

Of course it does matter... It's the whole point... The Bucks have the option to waive Hill before the 2nd of July, which proves that he signed his contract before this date (and therefore with the old CBA)... If Hill would have signed on July the 10th, then the Bucks would have until July the 11th to exercise their option.

 

[shopson67]

Of course it does matter... It's the whole point... The Bucks have the option to waive Hill before the 2nd of July, which proves that he signed his contract before this date (and therefore with the old CBA)... If Hill would have signed on July the 10th, then the Bucks would have until July the 11th to exercise their option.

IT DOES NOT PROVE THAT. HE COULDN'T HAVE. HE CAN'T SIGN A CONTRACT BEFORE THE LEAGUE YEAR OPENS AND THE MORATORIUM ENDS. JULY 7th, 2017 would've been the first day possible. LOGIC FAIL.

 

[trojanfan12]

Can't you see the link to the Sacramento's instagram official announcement? ...it's written in English... it spells S-a-c-r-a-m-e-n-t-o

And? It still doesn't say that he signed anything.

As I said, assuming he was tweeting about his deal, it means that a deal was agreed to, but nothing was signed.

 

[buckalis]

IT DOES NOT PROVE THAT. HE COULDN'T HAVE. HE CAN'T SIGN A CONTRACT BEFORE THE LEAGUE YEAR OPENS AND THE MORATORIUM ENDS. JULY 7th, 2017 would've been the first day possible. LOGIC FAIL.

HE CAN IF THE TEAM HE SIGNS WITH HASN'T MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS! (which was the case with Sacramento during the 16/17 season...

 

[tlance]

Because they got a 1st and a 2nd pick with them and additionally because Delly attracts crowed in the arena and Henson is useful as role player on a team that is in a rebuilt mode... Further more, the two players have the "correct" contracts for teams that are looking to add "garbage" in order to avoid being below the minimum salary line...

Because it was mid season and the teams were still "on target" for the playoffs... Cup space policies are decided by the F.O. of teams during the pre-season.





Because up to now, the teams that have players like Davis or PG were not interested in trading them... The Pelicans are still not interested in trading Davis. They'll convince him to stay and he will sign an extension with the Pels. OKC on the other side, will move PG only if they can't move Westbrook...



Your knowledge on the CBA agreement is below half than mine...

Every word in this post is utter BS

 

[buckalis]

And? It still doesn't say that he signed anything.

As I said, assuming he was tweeting about his deal, it means that a deal was agreed to, but nothing was signed.

Reed the F tweets underneath!

Besides, the link that Hill provided (the official announcement of the Kings) was days before... Hill tweeted it on the 4th of July because he got engaged that date!

 

[tlance]

Significantly stronger without Lebron? The Bucks, Sixers, and Raptors improved. The Celtics (and Cavs obviously) did not. Overall, the level of talent was about the same at the top in my estimation.

Cmon man.

The Celtics had the same team + Kyrie and Hayward. They might have played worse, but they were far more talented. As was every other team you mentioned.

And the Cavs weren't that good.

 

[tlance]

Snell didn't play in the playoffs, only because the Bucks have plenty and cheaper alternatives... Partly the reason why he will be traded... Everybody that is in need for a 3&D wing wants him, especially as he is young, has a "team friendly" contract and carries his "bird rights" with his contract...

That is the point.

Everybody has cheaper alternatives.

That is why Snell has negative trade value.