Post the best skill guys at each position in the upcoming draft

[Shanemansj13]

It doesn't matter what I say, we're not going to agree. But elite arm strength, great athlete for size. Good mobility in the pocket. Murray doesn't have the arm strength and he's 5'10, he's obviously a great athlete too.

Allen is better than Haskins at everything except accuracy. But that number is inflated anyway due to the offense Haskins played in.

Accuracy is pretty important. It's the reason why Baker went #1. Elite precision.

Haskins might not be able to throw it 80 yards but he has a cannon. Haskins has underrated mobility but he isn't going to wow you with his athleticism, which is something that isn't A NEED, just is a plus. A lot of great QB's don't have mobility. That is a plus for Allen but his accuracy is below average so that is really the deal breaker when you compare the two. I thought Allen was a project and I think Haskins is too, I just think Haskins has a much higher ceiling.

I would just take accuracy over athleticism though imo.

 

[ericd7633]

Accuracy is pretty important. It's the reason why Baker went #1. Elite precision.

Haskins might not be able to throw it 80 yards but he has a cannon. Haskins has underrated mobility but he isn't going to wow you with his athleticism, which is something that isn't A NEED, just is a plus. A lot of great QB's don't have mobility. That is a plus for Allen but his accuracy is below average so that is really the deal breaker when you compare the two. I thought Allen was a project and I think Haskins is too, I just think Haskins has a much higher ceiling.

I would just take accuracy over athleticism though imo.

Accuracy is important no doubt. But what part of that accuracy is him making throws or just being in an Urban offense? Tebow completed 68% of his passes his senior year and he was awful at accuracy at the next level. Obviously Haskins has a better arm so that will help him more at the next level. I think Haskins can still be good in the NFL. Just wouldn't take him as the #1 QB.

 

[Across The Field]

It doesn't matter what I say, we're not going to agree. But elite arm strength, great athlete for size. Good mobility in the pocket. Murray doesn't have the arm strength and he's 5'10, he's obviously a great athlete too.

Allen is better than Haskins at everything except accuracy. But that number is inflated anyway due to the offense Haskins played in.

Well we're not going to agree because you're posting completely false things. His arm strength is anything but elite. In fact, it's a huge question mark. Murray, on the other hand, has a much stronger arm, as does Haskins.

Allen is not better than Haskins at anything except running and heaving it 80 yards. His intelligence, accuracy, ability to read defenses, and touch are all far behind Haskins.

 

[ericd7633]

Well we're not going to agree because you're posting completely false things. His arm strength is anything but elite. In fact, it's a huge question mark. Murray, on the other hand, has a much stronger arm, as does Haskins.

Allen is not better than Haskins at anything except running and heaving it 80 yards. His intelligence, accuracy, ability to read defenses, and touch are all far behind Haskins.

I was comparing Allen/Murray/Haskins in that response. Jones doesn't have the arm Haskins does, never said he did.

 

[Across The Field]

I was comparing Allen/Murray/Haskins in that response. Jones doesn't have the arm Haskins does, never said he did.

So you basically agree with my second paragraph. The only thing Allen has over Haskins is deep arm strength and running ability.

Now back to Jones - Why is he better than Haskins or Murray again?

 

[ericd7633]

So you basically agree with my second paragraph. The only thing Allen has over Haskins is deep arm strength and running ability.

Now back to Jones - Why is he better than Haskins or Murray again?

Better arm, more athletic, better mobility.

I've stated my reasons for Jones.

 

[Across The Field]

Better arm, more athletic, better mobility.

I've stated my reasons for Jones.

Yet only two of those are valid. By no means or by any measure does he have a better arm than Haskins. It surprises me you don't know that.

 

[ericd7633]

Yet only two of those are valid. By no means or by any measure does he have a better arm than Haskins. It surprises me you don't know that.

He does. Allen's got an elite arm.

 

[Clayton]

QB: Lock
RB: Montgomery
WR: Metcalf
TE: Hockenson

Going homer with Lock and I don't care. Ultimately the top QB will come down to who lands in the best spot and I think thats probably going to be Lock.

I really like Jace Sternberger at TE and I think he is a 2nd rounder. I think he fits the Patriots mold perfectly and wouldn't be shocked if they trade down in rd1 and then take him early in rd2. Hockenson does it all, though.

I think there are 3 or 4 sleepers in this draft at RB and Montgomery is the best of the bunch. Looks just like Kareem Hunt on film. His combine numbers are a little different...less explosive but maybe a little better at finishing. A+ balance. Can be a receiver.

Metcalf is admittedly boom/bust but there are sooo many good WR prospects in this draft that odds are I'm going to be wrong no matter who I pick so I'll just pick the guy that can run out of a gym.

 

[Across The Field]

He does. Allen's got an elite arm.

But Jones doesn't, and that's who we were discussing.

 

[Clayton]

He's a good athlete for his size, and didn't exactly have the best surrounding cast at Duke.

Its honestly one of the worst supporting casts I've ever seen around a legit QB prospect. Its actually somewhat embarrassing to watch. His oline was bad and his receivers were bad and they should all feel bad.

I've complained a bit about Lock's supporting talent and coaching letting him down but its nothing compared to Jones. I have him penciled in to the Redskins as a fit. Its cliche but Jones is probably the most pro ready even if his upside might not be what the others have.

 

[ericd7633]

Josh Allen was a much better prospect imo than Haskins and Murray are. So, yeah I would. All these qb's are worse prospects than the top 4 last year.

Based on what?

But Jones doesn't, and that's who we were discussing.

You brought up Allen, and asked me to compare him to Murray and Haskins so I did.

I've already stated why I'd take Jones.

 

[ericd7633]

Its honestly one of the worst supporting casts I've ever seen around a legit QB prospect. Its actually somewhat embarrassing to watch. His oline was bad and his receivers were bad and they should all feel bad.

I've complained a bit about Lock's supporting talent and coaching letting him down but its nothing compared to Jones. I have him penciled in to the Redskins as a fit. Its cliche but Jones is probably the most pro ready even if his upside might not be what the others have.

Yeah Jones had nothing outside of Rahming, but he was a 5'10 possession receiver though.

 

[Clayton]

As a side note, with what happened last year with Penny and Michel, I wouldn't be shocked at all if the Chiefs grabbed David Montgomery in rd1.

I know Moose would have a heart attack but if the Chiefs think they can fix their secondary in rd2 then they might reach for a bellcow RB.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Didn't watch Jones a lot but he has good mechanics and good size. An interesting prospect. Looking at his film he isn't going to wow you with his throws, doesn't seem to take a lot of risk, very conservative. Pretty accurate but he lives underneath. Not sure how that will project in the NFL so unsure about him. But I guess when your team sucks around you they made the offense work for what it was. Can we see Daniel Jones make all the throws? who knows.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

QB: Haskins
RB: Montgomery
WR: Harry
TE: Hock

In a weak draft class, Haskins is imo the most complete package out of the group. I like what Murray brings to the table too, but I’d go Haskins if I had the choice. Really just depends on the right fit.

Montgomery is easily the most physical runner in the draft. Great vision & burst. Whoever drafts him will be very happy.

As mentioned by many, this WR class is no joke. So much potential. Love what Harry brings. On tape he’s the complete package. AJ Brown & Hakeem Butler are both honorable mentions as well. Not a fan of Riley Ridley.

Hockenson is the more complete package at TE. Great hands and best in line blocker.

 

[Across The Field]

You brought up Allen, and asked me to compare him to Murray and Haskins so I did.

I've already stated why I'd take Jones.

I don't think you have though. I think you've foolishly stated Josh Allen was a far better prospect than anyone this year (still can't help but laugh at that assertion). Is it only because Jones is more athletic? Seems like that's really the only thing you've mentioned that he's better at than Haskins. Is that really all you look for in a pro QB?

 

[ericd7633]

I don't think you have though. I think you've foolishly stated Josh Allen was a far better prospect than anyone this year (still can't help but laugh at that assertion). Is it only because Jones is more athletic? Seems like that's really the only thing you've mentioned that he's better at than Haskins. Is that really all you look for in a pro QB?

I have, for some reason you failed to acknowledge it. Haskins has a higher upside, it's just a matter if he reaches it. I also think Haskins needs to go to a team where he's a good fit. With Jones not so much. I can see Haskins being Big Ben or Jamarcus Russell. I don't think Jones can reach that point, but I also think he's more of a sure thing in terms of bust potential.

 

[Across The Field]

I have, for some reason you failed to acknowledge it. Haskins has a higher upside, it's just a matter if he reaches it. I also think Haskins needs to go to a team where he's a good fit. With Jones not so much. I can see Haskins being Big Ben or Jamarcus Russell. I don't think Jones can reach that point, but I also think he's more of a sure thing in terms of bust potential.

Is it because he played for David Cutcliffe?

 

[ericd7633]

Is it because he played for David Cutcliffe?

Not really.