Top 30 QB Prospects of the Modern Era

[4down20]

You're loco amigo. Over the shoulder on the sideline, in stride, is not a 50-50 ball no matter how tight the coverage because only the WR has the chance to catch it. Dude was holding his other arm and the WR still caught it nothing 50-50 about that.

And yet, we see multiple passes that are similar in these highlights of David Carr throwing "50/50 Balls". And for some odd reason he talks more about how the receivers are covered rather than some % or whatever crap.

 

[socaljim242]

And yet, we see multiple passes that are similar in these highlights of David Carr throwing "50/50 Balls". And for some odd reason he talks more about how the receivers are covered rather than some % or whatever crap.

50-50 is a ball up for grabs that you throw when you know your receiver can out jump the DB even when both have a equal shot at it (hence 50-50). Not when the QB throws a ball back shoulder where only the receiver can catch it.

 

[4down20]

50-50 is a ball up for grabs that you throw when you know your receiver can out jump the DB even when both have a equal shot at it (hence 50-50). Not when the QB throws a ball back shoulder where only the receiver can catch it.

It was 50-50 when he threw the ball, not when the guy caught it because Ross owned Jobe. If Ross doesn't own Jobe on the hand exchanges, then it would have been up for grabs.

You're look at the play in hindsight saying "well they defender had no chance", rather than when he threw the ball. By the definition you guys are using, there is rarely, if ever a 50/50 ball thrown, because in the end it almost always ends up that the defender has little to no chance on the ball unless it was either badly thrown or something. When really it means throwing the ball to a defended receiver and counting on that receiver to make the play, as is what happened in that play.

It's not even an insult, but I guess people are desperate for a butt hurt Alabama fan narrative, so whatever. On the bright side it's not as bad as when everyone was sucking on Manzels cock rather than admitting he got lucky and Mike Evans bailed him out, as Lawrence is at least actually talented.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

It was 50-50 when he threw the ball, not when the guy caught it because Ross owned Jobe. If Ross doesn't own Jobe on the hand exchanges, then it would have been up for grabs.

You're look at the play in hindsight saying "well they defender had no chance", rather than when he threw the ball. By the definition you guys are using, there is rarely, if ever a 50/50 ball thrown, because in the end it almost always ends up that the defender has little to no chance on the ball unless it was either badly thrown or something. When really it means throwing the ball to a defended receiver and counting on that receiver to make the play, as is what happened in that play.

It's not even an insult, but I guess people are desperate for a butt hurt Alabama fan narrative, so whatever. On the bright side it's not as bad as when everyone was sucking on Manzels cock rather than admitting he got lucky and Mike Evans bailed him out, as Lawrence is at least actually talented.

Wow — you are still fighting this losing battle?!! If Bama had as much determination as you in the NC game. The score would have been closer.

Still doesn’t change the fact, the only thing 50/50 about the play is Jobe had 50% of Ross’s arms. He had 0% chance to make a play on the ball.

But it is definitely entertaining watching you try to defend this sinking ship.

 

[JohnstoneC8]

I think this method of debating is called Gish Gallop.

 

[Across The Field]

I didn't post only 4 plays from the entire game, I posted the start of drives and then talked about them.

The drives I didn't do in the 1st half were the ones where he went 3 and out. AKA I only showed HIS GOOD PLAYS. I might do the 2nd half later when I get time.

But as I figured, you guys ain't got shit.

Nah you're right. In fact, you're the only one who is right about Lawrence really not being very good. It just so happens that all the players on Alabama's #2 nationally rated defense just all played like crap and Lawrence's receivers are Jerry Rice clones.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

And yet, we see multiple passes that are similar in these highlights of David Carr throwing "50/50 Balls". And for some odd reason he talks more about how the receivers are covered rather than some % or whatever crap.

I have no dog in this fight but unless David Carr aged very well that's Derek Carr

 

[socaljim242]

It was 50-50 when he threw the ball, not when the guy caught it because Ross owned Jobe. If Ross doesn't own Jobe on the hand exchanges, then it would have been up for grabs.

You're look at the play in hindsight saying "well they defender had no chance", rather than when he threw the ball. By the definition you guys are using, there is rarely, if ever a 50/50 ball thrown, because in the end it almost always ends up that the defender has little to no chance on the ball unless it was either badly thrown or something. When really it means throwing the ball to a defended receiver and counting on that receiver to make the play, as is what happened in that play.

It's not even an insult, but I guess people are desperate for a butt hurt Alabama fan narrative, so whatever. On the bright side it's not as bad as when everyone was sucking on Manzels cock rather than admitting he got lucky and Mike Evans bailed him out, as Lawrence is at least actually talented.

In offenses predicated on timing patterns the qb will often throw the ball when the receiver isnt even looking ..or made his cut even with the defender right on him because the reciever will look at the appropriate time or make a cut and the ball is right there. Acording to your flawed definition those are 50 50 balls because the DB is right on the reciever which is totally wrong because if properly thrown the receiver is the only one able to make the catch.
A cpl years back the QB for Penn State ( the year they went to the Rose Bowl] made a living throwing 50 50 balls to his WR who was just more physical than most teams DBs. He threw them knowing his guy was really good at out jumping out muscling the DB for the ball. Watch the last two minutes of that game and see McSorley (just remembered his name) throw it with the saftey looking right at him . But McSorley had faith his guy would be the one to come down with it. That is a 50 50 ball.

Insert mike drop.

 

[JohnstoneC8]

In offenses predicated on timing patterns the qb will often throw the ball when the receiver isnt even looking ..or made his cut even with the defender right on him because the reciever will look at the appropriate time or make a cut and the ball is right there. Acording to your flawed definition those are 50 50 balls because the DB is right on the reciever which is totally wrong because if properly thrown the receiver is the only one able to make the catch.
A cpl years back the QB for Penn State ( the year they went to the Rose Bowl] made a living throwing 50 50 balls to his WR who was just more physical than most teams DBs. He threw them knowing his guy was really good at out jumping out muscling the DB for the ball. Watch the last two minutes of that game and see McSorley (just remembered his name) throw it with the saftey looking right at him . But McSorley had faith his guy would be the one to come down with it. That is a 50 50 ball.

Insert mike drop.

Yep. I'd offer these two from Game 2 in the bam/clem 'series' as 50/50's, or close to it:

However this is not a 50/50, as seems to be the opinion shared by a lot of people:

 

[socaljim242]

Nah you're right. In fact, you're the only one who is right about Lawrence really not being very good. It just so happens that all the players on Alabama's #2 nationally rated defense just all played like crap and Lawrence's receivers are Jerry Rice clones.

Maybe his thinking is derived from a couple seasons of watching Jalen Hurts throw and there being a 50-50 chance the ball got anywhere close to the receiver. So he thinks pretty much every ball thrown is 50-50

 

[7Samurai13]

Maybe his thinking is derived from a couple seasons of watching Jalen Hurts throw and there being a 50-50 chance the ball got anywhere close to the receiver. So he thinks pretty much every ball thrown is 50-50

Jalen Hurts has perfect accuracy on all balls thrown under 140 yards. You obviously don’t know what you are talking about.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Jalen Hurts has perfect accuracy on all balls thrown under 140 yards. You obviously don’t know what you are talking about.

It is really a shame Bama has the most talent every year. It is pure entertainment listening to them come up with excuses.
I believe, unless I misread the comment, at one point, 420 actually said Jalen Hurts could make the same throws as Lawrence. Too funny.

 

[7Samurai13]

It is really a shame Bama has the most talent every year. It is pure entertainment listening to them come up with excuses.
I believe, unless I misread the comment, at one point, 420 actually said Jalen Hurts could make the same throws as Lawrence. Too funny.

Well when you think pretty much every ball thrown to a spot where no one can catch it except your player is a 50/50 ball...

I’m starting to feel like he is the Alabama version of ATF.

 

[4down20]

Wow — you are still fighting this losing battle?!! If Bama had as much determination as you in the NC game. The score would have been closer.

Still doesn’t change the fact, the only thing 50/50 about the play is Jobe had 50% of Ross’s arms. He had 0% chance to make a play on the ball.

But it is definitely entertaining watching you try to defend this sinking ship.

I don't mind being the only person who knows what a 50/50 ball is.

According to you guys, the only time one ever gets thrown is when the QB makes a mistake.

 

[4down20]

Well when you think pretty much every ball thrown to a spot where no one can catch it except your player is a 50/50 ball...

I’m starting to feel like he is the Alabama version of ATF.

Well hell, I didn't know he had the ability to see into the future when throwing the ball.

That does change everything.

 

[4down20]

In offenses predicated on timing patterns the qb will often throw the ball when the receiver isnt even looking ..or made his cut even with the defender right on him because the reciever will look at the appropriate time or make a cut and the ball is right there. Acording to your flawed definition those are 50 50 balls because the DB is right on the reciever which is totally wrong because if properly thrown the receiver is the only one able to make the catch.

That would be throwing a reciever open, I'm still waiting to see that from Lawerence.

A cpl years back the QB for Penn State ( the year they went to the Rose Bowl] made a living throwing 50 50 balls to his WR who was just more physical than most teams DBs. He threw them knowing his guy was really good at out jumping out muscling the DB for the ball. Watch the last two minutes of that game and see McSorley (just remembered his name) throw it with the saftey looking right at him . But McSorley had faith his guy would be the one to come down with it. That is a 50 50 ball.

Insert mike drop.

So basically the only thing that is a 50/50 ball in your opinion are Hail Mary type throws.

A 50/50 ball is determined at the moment you throw it, not at the moment it hits the receivers.

 

[4down20]

It is really a shame Bama has the most talent every year. It is pure entertainment listening to them come up with excuses.
I believe, unless I misread the comment, at one point, 420 actually said Jalen Hurts could make the same throws as Lawrence. Too funny.

The fact you need to make shit up pretty much speaks for itself.

In order for Jalen to make the same throws as Lawerence, he'd first have to have the same pocket presence, vision and so on. You can't just have an arm and be a good QB, something your ignorant "ball speed" stat doesn't even remotely touch. By your stats, Jamarcus Russel would be 10 times the QB as Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

 

[4down20]

So, page 7 now, and the only play you guys can come up with is still that 50/50 ball?

Surely there is more right? As I said, I thought the one handed catch by Ross behind his back later in the game was a much better play.

 

[7Samurai13]

Well hell, I didn't know he had the ability to see into the future when throwing the ball.

That does change everything.

I didn’t realize he had 3 minute hangtime on his passes.

 

[socaljim242]

You're waiting to see that from Lawrence? Dude gave a clinic on passing.lol. You are seriously delusional. I guess findong out Tua isn't the best really rattled you.

That would be throwing a reciever open, I'm still waiting to see that from Lawerence.



So basically the only thing that is a 50/50 ball in your opinion are Hail Mary type throws.

A 50/50 ball is determined at the moment you throw it, not at the moment it hits the receivers.