Mid Major schools should have their own division

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

100 million for 3-7 games is a lot different from 100 million for 30+ games though man

The B10 gets $440 million per year in TV contract. The MAC gets roughly 1/4 that. So you can reasonably assume that they could get 1/4 the amount for a playoff; which mathematically puts them right at the number they currently get from the current playoff.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

We are taking post season.

You believe there is a big enough audience for a playoff alone to bring in at least $87 million dollars?

Sorry, but I think you are hitting a crack pipe.

I don't see why viewing interest would drop for a playoff compared to the regular season. You'd think the interest would be about the same, if not greater, during a playoff compared to the regular season. That's how it normally works.

 

[7Samurai13]

I don't see why viewing interest would drop for a playoff compared to the regular season. You'd think the interest would be about the same, if not greater, during a playoff compared to the regular season. That's how it normally works.

What is the viewership for the NIT as compared to regular season games?

 

[WizardHawk]

I don't see why viewing interest would drop for a playoff compared to the regular season. You'd think the interest would be about the same, if not greater, during a playoff compared to the regular season. That's how it normally works.

It is my opinion that your math and assumptions are off.

Their championship game would have a decent share, but can't imagine the rest would.

Let's face it, almost no one saw UCF last year until they faced Auburn. Don't lie, I bet you didn't either. Some currently watch the bowls that are just G5 on G5, but they are much lower shares. Change those to playoff games and they won't improve as there will be quite a few bad matchups.

Right now the G5s are all also playing throughout the year to reach 500 and get to a bowl. An 8 team playoff would mean at least 45 teams aren't playing for anything at all outside of just playing. And they will make less IMO.

I just don't see it happening.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

What is the viewership for the NIT as compared to regular season games?

That's a bit different though -- right? It's like a second place game involving teams eligible for the larger championship but just weren't good enough to make it. A new playoff with a new championship would be entirely independent and really mean more than the NIT.

Also the TV rights are worth $56 million per year for the NIT; almost the same as the cut G5 teams make in the current playoff.

 

[7Samurai13]

That's a bit different though -- right? It's like a second place game involving teams eligible for the larger championship but just weren't good enough to make it. A new playoff with a new championship would be entirely independent and really mean more than the NIT.

Also the TV rights are worth $56 million per year for the NIT; almost the same as the cut G5 teams make in the current playoff.

Would it though? Would it mean more than the NIT? You barely hear anything about the FCS playoffs, it would only be slightly more than that. It would be a second tier champion that next to no one would recognize.

 

[WizardHawk]

For those interested (and who didn't do their own gooooogle'n) here is the exact payout for each conf last year directly from the CFP pool.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/f...venue-Distribution-by-Conference_20180430.pdf

American Athletic Conference 25,623,896
Atlantic Coast Conference 67,153,097
Big Ten Conference 68,871,187
Big 12 Conference 69,847,925
Conference USA 15,411,101
Mid-American Conference 16,815,366
Mountain West Conference 18,219,631
Pac-12 Conference 74,697,653
Southeastern Conference 88,144,099
Sun Belt Conference 14,006,835
Big Sky Conference 281,216
Big South Conference 281,216
Colonial Conference 281,216
Mid-Eastern Conference 281,216
Missouri Valley Conference 281,216
Ohio Valley Conference 281,216
Southern Conference 281,216
Southland Conference 281,216
Southwestern Athletic Conference 281,216
Brigham Young University 310,053
University of Massachusetts 310,053
Notre Dame University 2,813,182
U.S. Military Academy 310,053

That comes out to around $90 million for the G5's in totality. That's a little less than 1/5 of the entire $465 million payout across all of college football D1.

Good luck replacing that money if you drop those teams out of the system.

 

[Rolltide94]

They could still make money . Alabama practically plays their entire OOC schedule in the G5

Oh I see, they're just not going to play the bowl games....that makes sense......

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Would it though? Would it mean more than the NIT? You barely hear anything about the FCS playoffs, it would only be slightly more than that. It would be a second tier champion that next to no one would recognize.

Well. Have you ever watched meaningless bowl games involving G5 teams?

 

[7Samurai13]

Well. Have you ever watched meaningless bowl games involving G5 teams?

Not very often.

 

[Rolltide94]

The B10 gets $440 million per year in TV contract. The MAC gets roughly 1/4 that. So you can reasonably assume that they could get 1/4 the amount for a playoff; which mathematically puts them right at the number they currently get from the current playoff.

Are you high? Do you math? The MAC didn't get 1/4 of that per year. They got a quarter of that for 13 years...that works out to 8 million a year.

 

[Rolltide94]

Explaining the MAC's New ESPN Deal

Some conflicting info on the specifics in this article due to the updates in it, but it looks like they might get upwords of $10 million per school per year. Which is roughly $800,000 per game. But I'm not sure that translates to what they'd get paid for bowls/playoffs. Because ESPN pays like $100 million just for the Rose bowl. And certainly doesn't pay that much for regular season games.

Point being, they could get pretty damn close if not make the same/more IMO with their own playoff and it would solve a massive problem with the current system.

Clearly reading comprehension is not your strong suit, so let me highlight this part from the article you linked...

"13-year deal with ESPN is worth more than $100 million, or roughly about $8 million a season. That factors out to about $670,000 per school, per season, a big improvement over the roughly $120,000 each school received under the previous $1.4 million a year deal"

Also, this deal is not football only, it also includes basketball and other non-revenue sports.

 

[4down20]

This needs to be highlighted more than anything. These schools are choosing money over fairness. And when they bring it up, it should be directed at the athletic departments who choose this. At some point, though, I think it needs to be forced on them. These arguments every year are tiring and it would be a lot cleaner if P5 champs + 1 at large faced off in a playoff.

It's fair. And it's just your own ignorance that thinks that because a team isn't the best that they for some reason have no desire to compete etc.

Even beyond the money. I compete in something that has about 50 others competing. I'm average at it. I'm not the best, I'll probably never be the best(finished last season 26th) - and I'm fine with that. Everyone plays by the same rules. I don't have the time, knowledge, experience or resources as others - big fucking deal. That doesn't mean I don't have fun at it.

The notion that I and the people below me should for some reason split off and form our own competition is fucking retarded, and nobody thinks about that. #1 it wouldn't mean shit, and #2 I want to compete against the people who are better than me.

While ultimately being #1 is my goal, in the meantime I just focus on getting better and beating the others above me - and not lose to those below me as often or at all.

I still have many reasons to compete, and it's just stupid that some of you to suggest being a champion is an immediate/realistic goal for every team - IT'S NOT.

And btw, they aren't choosing "money", they are choosing the ability to keep the programs going and paying for it all. Why do people like you pretend they are just pocketing the money or some shit?

 

[WizardHawk]

For comparison, here is the total list of all reported (public institutions) athletics revenues for the '16/'17 season.

Note that it includes everything from merchandising, ticket sales, donations, CFP, and many more sources. The total revenue also includes the extra category of total allocated which is a special subset of income.

USA TODAY Sports

Note not just their revenue, but reported expenses. Very few are so far in the positive that they can let $500k - $1m extra go without going into the negative, or farther into the negative if they were already over budget/revenue. For example, there are just two teams from the AAC that could let that extra money go based on that years expenses without going negative.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Not very often.

I’m currently watching Troy v south Alabama. Because. Football.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

It's fair. And it's just your own ignorance that thinks that because a team isn't the best that they for some reason have no desire to compete etc.

Even beyond the money. I compete in something that has about 50 others competing. I'm average at it. I'm not the best, I'll probably never be the best(finished last season 26th) - and I'm fine with that. Everyone plays by the same rules. I don't have the time, knowledge, experience or resources as others - big fucking deal. That doesn't mean I don't have fun at it.

The notion that I and the people below me should for some reason split off and form our own competition is fucking retarded, and nobody thinks about that. #1 it wouldn't mean shit, and #2 I want to compete against the people who are better than me.

While ultimately being #1 is my goal, in the meantime I just focus on getting better and beating the others above me - and not lose to those below me as often or at all.

I still have many reasons to compete, and it's just stupid that some of you to suggest being a champion is an immediate/realistic goal for every team - IT'S NOT.

And btw, they aren't choosing "money", they are choosing the ability to keep the programs going and paying for it all. Why do people like you pretend they are just pocketing the money or some shit?

The problem is. These teams have 0% shot at even getting into the playoff let alone winning it. UCF could have the roster of Alabama this year and they wouldn’t get in. It isn’t about the best team. It’s the best teams from the P5. Period.

 

[4down20]

The problem is. These teams have 0% shot at even getting into the playoff let alone winning it. UCF could have the roster of Alabama this year and they wouldn’t get in. It isn’t about the best team. It’s the best teams from the P5. Period.

So? I have no chance of doing it in my competition either. In some cases, the other contestants are teams of people, some have been doing it for years, etc. They win money and prizes, I win nothing. So fucking what - those are not the reasons why I compete. I'm ok just being average, that's fucking life, everyone can't be the winner/champ.

If someone tried to get me to go to some lesser competition, I'd tell them to fuck off. Just like all the G5 teams do rather than drop down to FCS.

Losing sucks, but it's better that not competing at the best possible level. I'd rather watch Alabama go 0-12 in the FBS than 12-0 in the FCS.

And the part about UCF is just bullshit you've pulled out your ass. They don't have a roster of Alabama, or anything close to it. You're trying to claim they don't have a chance because of their name and that's bullshit.

When you show me a G5 team that plays a decent SoS, with a resume that actually competes with the big teams and they get left out - let me know. But as of right now - it ain't even happened and yet you sit here and make bullshit claims.

 

[WizardHawk]

G5's don't have the ability to have rosters anything close to Bama, or a blue blood, or the hot coached P5's. Nothing close to the same zip code.

They don't have a chance because they don't have that talent AND they don't schedule in a way to give them a chance. Period.

 

[Rolltide94]

The problem is. These teams have 0% shot at even getting into the playoff let alone winning it. UCF could have the roster of Alabama this year and they wouldn’t get in. It isn’t about the best team. It’s the best teams from the P5. Period.

UCF won't have as many players drafted over the four year cycle that includes last year this year and the next two years as Alabama had 1st rounders last year. We will never know what kind of shot they would have with Alabama talent, because they are never going to have Alabama talent, no G5 is. What we do know is that they have managed to get ranked in the top 10 two years in a row and only played 3 P5 opponents. There is not a team in the top 25 that would not be 7-0 with their schedule.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

So? I have no chance of doing it in my competition either. In some cases, the other contestants are teams of people, some have been doing it for years, etc. They win money and prizes, I win nothing. So fucking what - those are not the reasons why I compete. I'm ok just being average, that's fucking life, everyone can't be the winner/champ.

If someone tried to get me to go to some lesser competition, I'd tell them to fuck off. Just like all the G5 teams do rather than drop down to FCS.

Losing sucks, but it's better that not competing at the best possible level. I'd rather watch Alabama go 0-12 in the FBS than 12-0 in the FCS.

And the part about UCF is just bullshit you've pulled out your ass. They don't have a roster of Alabama, or anything close to it. You're trying to claim they don't have a chance because of their name and that's bullshit.

When you show me a G5 team that plays a decent SoS, with a resume that actually competes with the big teams and they get left out - let me know. But as of right now - it ain't even happened and yet you sit here and make bullshit claims.

The whole concept is kind of, well, dumb. Yeah, I get it -- they will never be as good as Alabama has been these past few years. But that's exactly why they need their own playoff. We don't have FCS Cal Polly playing for the same title as Alabama for the same reason. So why not make all college football programs play in the same division then? Or are only some schools relegated to good, but not good enough to deserve their own title?

It's just kind of stupid. Next year the winning of every G5 conference could go undefeated and would end up outside of the playoff. What, exactly, are they playing for? Their largest accomplishment in any season is winning their conference. How is that not dumb to you?