Kirk Cousins' future with Redskins lies in play down stretch

[Stymietee]

He is what he is, nothing more , nothing less. I like the guy, but I'll be damned if anyone believes that they can convince me that he's more than what he is....an NFL starting caliber QB.

BTW: I also don't believe that he has anything left to prove.

 

[Stymietee]

Idiots.....he has nothing left to prove.

He didn't give up an 18 point lead to the Saints.

Are you OK? Just asking!!

 

[Sharkinva]

He is what he is, nothing more , nothing less. I like the guy, but I'll be damned if anyone believes that they can convince me that he's more than what he is....an NFL starting caliber QB.

BTW: I also don't believe that he has anything left to prove.

Disagree. The one thing he still has to prove is that the team is better off paying him and moving forward as apposed to going in another direction. After all how many times do we have to hear, Kirk is what he is, a Good QB, but not elite.

So in the end, what he has to prove is that we are better off with him, than chasing the next Wentz. I still think Kirk either plays 2018 on another tag, or we let him hit free agency. Because I just dont think Dan, Bruce, or portions of the fan base will be OK with us signing the next Alex Smith long term.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Disagree. The one thing he still has to prove is that the team is better off paying him and moving forward as apposed to going in another direction. After all how many times do we have to hear, Kirk is what he is, a Good QB, but not elite.

So in the end, what he has to prove is that we are better off with him, than chasing the next Wentz. I still think Kirk either plays 2018 on another tag, or we let him hit free agency. Because I just dont think Dan, Bruce, or portions of the fan base will be OK with us signing the next Alex Smith long term.

I think that it is still an unknown at this time. Forget about other teams - Cousins fits in well with what the Redskins need to do to succeed moving fwd, & I think that even Allen realizes this.

I am glad that you brought up Wentz & Smith. Wentz & Goff are doing well, but it is not as if they are doing it alone & both certainly play on teams with better luck in the injury dept. Look at Prescott - the minute they took away his top weapon & they has some OL issues he looked horrible. Cousins has had to play a good chunk of the season w/o most of his OL, his top target (Reed), his starting RB (& now his 3rd down effective RB) & several other game to game injuries. He has proven to be more than effective during most of this time & in several of the losses he put them in position to win but they fell short due to defense. I don't think that some hot shot rookie QB is going to magically overcome anything similar.

As for Smith - I think Cousins is much better than him at this time. Smith looked like an MVP candidate early in the season. However once teams were able to focus on Hunt & also analyze their tendencies he has become much less effective. If you put Smith w/ the current Redskins offense I believe that he does much, much worse than Cousins. I just don't think that some Redskins fans appreciate the contributions of Cousins. Trying to run this offense w/ all of these injuries is not that easy & even the great Carson Wentz, Brees or whoever would likely have problems with this setup.

I would like to believe that Allen & co realize this & will make an honest effort to sign him long term. Honestly - none of us really know how these guys think so it will be a somewhat stressful offseason. Keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[deanpet21]

I think that it is still an unknown at this time. Forget about other teams - Cousins fits in well with what the Redskins need to do to succeed moving fwd, & I think that even Allen realizes this.

I am glad that you brought up Wentz & Smith. Wentz & Goff are doing well, but it is not as if they are doing it alone & both certainly play on teams with better luck in the injury dept. Look at Prescott - the minute they took away his top weapon & they has some OL issues he looked horrible. Cousins has had to play a good chunk of the season w/o most of his OL, his top target (Reed), his starting RB (& now his 3rd down effective RB) & several other game to game injuries. He has proven to be more than effective during most of this time & in several of the losses he put them in position to win but they fell short due to defense. I don't think that some hot shot rookie QB is going to magically overcome anything similar.

As for Smith - I think Cousins is much better than him at this time. Smith looked like an MVP candidate early in the season. However once teams were able to focus on Hunt & also analyze their tendencies he has become much less effective. If you put Smith w/ the current Redskins offense I believe that he does much, much worse than Cousins. I just don't think that some Redskins fans appreciate the contributions of Cousins. Trying to run this offense w/ all of these injuries is not that easy & even the great Carson Wentz, Brees or whoever would likely have problems with this setup.

I would like to believe that Allen & co realize this & will make an honest effort to sign him long term. Honestly - none of us really know how these guys think so it will be a somewhat stressful offseason. Keeping my fingers crossed.

I agree with your post. I truly believe that a fair offer will be presented to KC. The ball will be in his court if he wants to sign long term here. Now the question is what is a fair offer? That is debatable right now. I will bet my last dollar that KC's agent will point to all the injuries this year and KC's stats. Now if the Carr, Luck, or Stafford deals are offered to KC and he gives no response then there is an issue. Another tag would be awful.

It looks like we will finish anywhere from 7-9 to 10-6 that should be mid to late teens in the draft. Now I believe right now a massive trade up will not be needed to get a decent QB in the first round. Plus you have to factor in all the FA QB's that will hit the market this year. So the Fa market could dictate how the draft will go.

To sum up unless a complete disaster happens for the final 5 games like injury or horrible play Allen will give a fair offer to KC. I believe it will be up to KC if he wants to be here or not. I don't see another low ball offer coming if it does then Allen doesn't want him here and will look to the draft or Fa for a QB. IF he does decide this then no offer will be made to KC at all.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I agree with your post. I truly believe that a fair offer will be presented to KC. The ball will be in his court if he wants to sign long term here. Now the question is what is a fair offer? That is debatable right now. I will bet my last dollar that KC's agent will point to all the injuries this year and KC's stats. Now if the Carr, Luck, or Stafford deals are offered to KC and he gives no response then there is an issue. Another tag would be awful.

It looks like we will finish anywhere from 7-9 to 10-6 that should be mid to late teens in the draft. Now I believe right now a massive trade up will not be needed to get a decent QB in the first round. Plus you have to factor in all the FA QB's that will hit the market this year. So the Fa market could dictate how the draft will go.

To sum up unless a complete disaster happens for the final 5 games like injury or horrible play Allen will give a fair offer to KC. I believe it will be up to KC if he wants to be here or not. I don't see another low ball offer coming if it does then Allen doesn't want him here and will look to the draft or Fa for a QB. IF he does decide this then no offer will be made to KC at all.

The Carr, Stafford & Luck deals are the starting pt for anyone in Cousins' situation. That is not about him or his agent - that is how the game is played in this era. In terms of a fair offer from the Skins - well they need to be honest in this respect (unlike last offseason). The huge numbers mean nothing - it is all about the guaranteed money & again this must be at least as much as the 3 QBs you mention. The guaranteed money wasn't even close last offseason (was actually pretty insulting).

I also believe that this time around they need to act quickly - no more 11th hour BS. However I totally believe that they are capable of tagging him again - agree w/ you that it would be a mistake but you never know w/ these guys. Oh well - hang on for the ride.

 

[deanpet21]

The Carr, Stafford & Luck deals are the starting pt for anyone in Cousins' situation. That is not about him or his agent - that is how the game is played in this era. In terms of a fair offer from the Skins - well they need to be honest in this respect (unlike last offseason). The huge numbers mean nothing - it is all about the guaranteed money & again this must be at least as much as the 3 QBs you mention. The guaranteed money wasn't even close last offseason (was actually pretty insulting).

I also believe that this time around they need to act quickly - no more 11th hour BS. However I totally believe that they are capable of tagging him again - agree w/ you that it would be a mistake but you never know w/ these guys. Oh well - hang on for the ride.

Right but the agent will be pointing to higher gmoney b/c of what KC did stat wise with all of the injures. I agree this should be solved day 1. They either give him the long term deal or say we are going with a rookie or vet in FA. A tag would be a disaster in my opinion. If that happens you still have to select a QB with the first round pick. Heck even if KC gets a long term deal and we are picking late teens again and Mayfield is on he board I would take him. We would have him for 5 years. Another tag would kill us for keeping Fa or getting nee players in FA.

 

[skinsdad62]

if the skins tag him again then the price will go up even more

 

[j_y19]

I find it interesting that there has been no mention from anyone in the FO as to KC's play this year. If I were Allen, and I wanted KC bad, not only would I have a real offer prepared for the day after the season ends, but I would be courting him heavily as this season goes on. The goal would be to make KC believe that this is his home and he is very wanted here. Because if either of those things are in doubt by KC after this season, he goes FA. Its not only about the money with KC, and he has said as much. No matter what happens, he is soon to be the highest paid player in the NFL (if only for a brief time). He will have more money that he can ever spend.

It just concerns me that this FO is going to play coy again and try and outsmart KCs agent and we are going to lose this guy. That is BA's MO.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

nothing left to prove here . he has checked the boxes

Agree & you are never going to prove that to some of the haters on this forum (haters gonna hate). I love the argument that basically the team can win with Cousins but not because of him. Really? Yep - he has played this season just like any other "system QB" who benefits from 1. beat up OL almost all season 2. subpar WRs most of the season 3. subpar running game most of the season 4. missing his main target - Reed - most of the season & 5. a defense that on alternate weeks pulls the team through or lets the team down.

Yep - "system QB" Cousins does pretty much nothing on his own - none of it is because of him & clipboard holders like McCoy & AJ McCarron would have done just as well. Ridiculous.

 

[skinsdad62]

Agree & you are never going to prove that to some of the haters on this forum (haters gonna hate). I love the argument that basically the team can win with Cousins but not because of him. Really? Yep - he has played this season just like any other "system QB" who benefits from 1. beat up OL almost all season 2. subpar WRs most of the season 3. subpar running game most of the season 4. missing his main target - Reed - most of the season & 5. a defense that on alternate weeks pulls the team through or lets the team down.

Yep - "system QB" Cousins does pretty much nothing on his own - none of it is because of him & clipboard holders like McCoy & AJ McCarron would have done just as well. Ridiculous.

i think sometimes this is just stirring the pot nonsense and any names given out were pulled out of some collective asses so they could debate

i have kept a list about the things they said KC couldnt do , carrying the team being one of them , yet he is in fact doing it with all these injuries .

GWD drives is a stat he is 3rd in right now behind brady and stafford

if we followed the crap some of these people advocate tom brady would have been shipped out 5 yrs ago and the corresponding superbowls as well . same with manning , the colts lost 2 superbowl opportunities they could have had by going for the unproven rookie . who could "carry on the tradition "

didnt work out that way

the lunacy of cutting loose a 30 yr old qb entering his prime is foolish just because of numbers on a contract

you wait the goal post will move again

and when KC turns down "a fair offer " that ambiguous term thrown out he will be seen a a greedy bitch when in fact Allen has blown this for 3 yrs straight do to his lack of vision and foresight

this team is a 2 win team without KC point blank

 

[deanpet21]

i think sometimes this is just stirring the pot nonsense and any names given out were pulled out of some collective asses so they could debate

i have kept a list about the things they said KC couldnt do , carrying the team being one of them , yet he is in fact doing it with all these injuries .

GWD drives is a stat he is 3rd in right now behind brady and stafford

if we followed the crap some of these people advocate tom brady would have been shipped out 5 yrs ago and the corresponding superbowls as well . same with manning , the colts lost 2 superbowl opportunities they could have had by going for the unproven rookie . who could "carry on the tradition "

didnt work out that way

the lunacy of cutting loose a 30 yr old qb entering his prime is foolish just because of numbers on a contract

you wait the goal post will move again

and when KC turns down "a fair offer " that ambiguous term thrown out he will be seen a a greedy bitch when in fact Allen has blown this for 3 yrs straight do to his lack of vision and foresight

this team is a 2 win team without KC point blank

first you said we are the Browns without KC now we are a 2 win team. Interesting. If KC wants to be here he would accept a fair offer. I already explained what a fair offer was. If he turns down those fair offers to get 5mg more in FA then yes fans will call him greedy.

 

[Stymietee]

Disagree. The one thing he still has to prove is that the team is better off paying him and moving forward as apposed to going in another direction. After all how many times do we have to hear, Kirk is what he is, a Good QB, but not elite.

So in the end, what he has to prove is that we are better off with him, than chasing the next Wentz. I still think Kirk either plays 2018 on another tag, or we let him hit free agency. Because I just dont think Dan, Bruce, or portions of the fan base will be OK with us signing the next Alex Smith long term.

How is this on him to prove? In every instance, that particular question can only be answered by Bruce and Dan by retagging or signing him LT and allowing him to continue doing what he does here. You could be right but I honestly believe that once he earned whatever label others wish to place upon him, they, not him or his play on the field, were locked in on that.

I know factually, that my current view of him has drastically changed from my initial view, but that's me...someone who doesn't have more than an opinion to offer. We don't know with certainty that the opinions of Bruce and/or Dan have changed from what we already know, to wit, a reluctance to sign the guy long term.

BTW: The division is as we speak, nearly filled with pretty good QB's, and I think that there's something to their reluctance to sign the guy related to not having the best of that group working here. So let me ask you (and the posters here) Do you think that perceptually, having the 3rd best QB in the division with the Giants likely being in position to push him to last (again perceptually) sits well with Dan and Bruce?

 

[Sharkinva]

So let me ask you (and the posters here) Do you think that perceptually, having the 3rd best QB in the division with the Giants likely being in position to push him to last (again perceptually) sits well with Dan and Bruce?

Nope... which is why i think he has to prove more to get resigned here. And to be honest I think we are seeing right now he is the second best QB in this division... because without Zeke to scare defenses... dak seems to have come way down to earth. Just saying.

 

[deanpet21]

Nope... which is why i think he has to prove more to get resigned here. And to be honest I think we are seeing right now he is the second best QB in this division... because without Zeke to scare defenses... dak seems to have come way down to earth. Just saying.

Kc's agent will just point to all the injures on offense when he brokers the deal. IF we win 9 or 10 games KC should have Bruce by the balls. I think a fair offer is coming from Bruce this offseason. Its going to be up to KC if he wants a long term deal here. The bullshit from last year wont happen again.

 

[Sharkinva]

Kc's agent will just point to all the injures on offense when he brokers the deal. IF we win 9 or 10 games KC should have Bruce by the balls. I think a fair offer is coming from Bruce this offseason. Its going to be up to KC if he wants a long term deal here. The bullshit from last year wont happen again.

You still hanging onto that old tired assed its all on Kirk to be here Dean?? You are persistent, I will give you that.

The next time Bruce doesnt lowball Cousins will be the first time he hasnt lowballed him. And reality is, he is going to have to pay Kirk alot more than the haters think he is worth to keep him, because he screwed this deal up for two off seasons running.

 

[deanpet21]

You still hanging onto that old tired assed its all on Kirk to be here Dean?? You are persistent, I will give you that.

The next time Bruce doesnt lowball Cousins will be the first time he hasnt lowballed him. And reality is, he is going to have to pay Kirk alot more than the haters think he is worth to keep him, because he screwed this deal up for two off seasons running.

a lot more than the Luck and Stafford deals? I don't think so. I still think KC should of countered publicly to Alllens lowball offer to really say he wants to be here at a fair number. Both sides wanted the tag IMO. a third tag would be horrible.

 

[Sharkinva]

a lot more than the Luck and Stafford deals? I don't think so. I still think KC should of countered publicly to Alllens lowball offer to really say he wants to be here at a fair number. Both sides wanted the tag IMO. a third tag would be horrible.

Lucks deall will be three years old. And staffords a year old, so alot more, maybe not. Alot more than the haters think he is worth.... yep.

 

[Rowdy]

How is this on him to prove? In every instance, that particular question can only be answered by Bruce and Dan by retagging or signing him LT and allowing him to continue doing what he does here. You could be right but I honestly believe that once he earned whatever label others wish to place upon him, they, not him or his play on the field, were locked in on that.

I know factually, that my current view of him has drastically changed from my initial view, but that's me...someone who doesn't have more than an opinion to offer. We don't know with certainty that the opinions of Bruce and/or Dan have changed from what we already know, to wit, a reluctance to sign the guy long term.

BTW: The division is as we speak, nearly filled with pretty good QB's, and I think that there's something to their reluctance to sign the guy related to not having the best of that group working here. So let me ask you (and the posters here) Do you think that perceptually, having the 3rd best QB in the division with the Giants likely being in position to push him to last (again perceptually) sits well with Dan and Bruce?

Way better than third best in the division. I’m not even ready to say wentz is better, but he sure is looking like a good one. The other two plain out suck

 

[deanpet21]

Lucks deall will be three years old. And staffords a year old, so alot more, maybe not. Alot more than the haters think he is worth.... yep.

doesn't matter that Lucks deal is 3 years old. Carr got less than him and he is younger. It should be in the range of those three.