The Official Kirk Cousins post MNF game thread .

[j_y19]

Sure, Prescott, Wentz, P. Manning, Brady, Newton, and a few others.

for good measure there are the facilitators, like Flacco, E. Manning, Tannehill, Cutler and Bledsoe for the older guys.

Here's what you're going to say in response.....Well, Sty his stats say that he is in line with the first group right?

Well, his stats say NOTHING about the TYPE of player that he is, just that he produces impressive numbers.

Not one of those you have identified can win a single game with out a strong supporting cast.

 

[Stymietee]

Not one of those you have identified can win a single game with out a strong supporting cast.

That's true in all sports, but they are players that have to be accounted for when scheming against them. Kirk is a pretty good player as I've repeatedly said, but let's not pretend that DC's are worried about him personally hurting them in a game because he personally is not a threat. They scheme against what we do offensively as a team.

BTW: I'm not sure which is worse, scheming against those guys like Manning and Brady who just kill you with their mental gamesmanship or against those with more physical prowess.

 

[Sportster 72]

It's not comparing QB to QB. It's a list of where drafting a QB has improve a team and made the team more successful.

See Robert Griffin. That worked well.

 

[Sharkinva]

That's true in all sports, but they are players that have to be accounted for when scheming against them. Kirk is a pretty good player as I've repeatedly said, but let's not pretend that DC's are worried about him personally hurting them in a game because he personally is not a threat. They scheme against what we do offensively as a team.

BTW: I'm not sure which is worse, scheming against those guys like Manning and Brady who just kill you with their mental gamesmanship or against those with more physical prowess.

I still wonder how different the list of "Elite" QBs would look if Manning (both), Newton, and a few of the other no brainers had been judged and executed after their first season as a starter. But again they were drafted in the first few rounds in most cases, and had owners, coaches and fan bases willing to allow them to grow as apposed to pining for some one else.

 

[Stymietee]

I still wonder how different the list of "Elite" QBs would look if Manning (both), Newton, and a few of the other no brainers had been judged and executed after their first season as a starter. But again they were drafted in the first few rounds in most cases, and had owners, coaches and fan bases willing to allow them to grow as apposed to pining for some one else.

Problem is Kirk was and is a 4th round draft pick, selected to be a back-up. The guy selected to do as they did, never got that consideration either. He was thrown to the wolves instead of being benched and properly transitioned. That's water well past being under the bridge now.

Kirk is supposedly growing towards being something other than what he is. While that MIGHT be true in terms of eliminating mistakes, making better decisions and such, he will never be able to change the TYPE of player that he is.

 

[Sportster 72]

Well, if you were impressed, then so was Dan Snyder/Bruce Allen who has clearly demonstrated a desire to get better at the position. That is the answer to the "why?" question that is the subject in my posts.

I really can't deal with this sort of thinking, shit gives me headaches, to wit: If I wanted to talk about Swearinger and the defense, I WOULD HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT SWEARINGER AND THE DAMNED DEFENSE. Yes I watch the whole game, but I'm also able to see the bigger picture which answers the question WHY?

We all support Kirk so stop pretending that there ONLY one way to do this. Blind homerism, blinds absolutely! This is part of the problem when the subject is Kirk Cousins. Since you have correctly stated that @Sharkinva believes that Bruce/Dan will screw this up...how is it not related when the subject is WHY will they screw this up. If you're honest with yourself you'll admit that the entire thread is all about that!!

Too many soap operas Sty. You, Dean and coach got this one wired. Next up AJ Mixon.

 

[Sportster 72]

Just a quick question while we can't change who we are. Of course this can encompass many things. Who has the 2nd most rushing TDs in the NFL in the 2+ years Cousin's has been a starter.

It is hilarious watching you guys change your story from week to week ... wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[gkekoa]

Is this really where you want to take this? I know you to be a thoughtful person.

Facillitator versus playmaker. A pocket QBs job is to facilitate the offense. A playmaker is doing things athletically to make something special. Brady isn't much different than KC.

 

[Sportster 72]

See Robert Griffin. That worked well.

By the way I should have added Shuler, Campbell and Ramsey. It is like shooting ducks in a barrel. Just pick a winner.

 

[gkekoa]

That's true in all sports, but they are players that have to be accounted for when scheming against them. Kirk is a pretty good player as I've repeatedly said, but let's not pretend that DC's are worried about him personally hurting them in a game because he personally is not a threat. They scheme against what we do offensively as a team.

BTW: I'm not sure which is worse, scheming against those guys like Manning and Brady who just kill you with their mental gamesmanship or against those with more physical prowess.

It is obvious isn't it. When is the last time Peyton or Brady had a 6 win season...or hell a single digit win season? The physical prowess comes with less mental gamesmanship.

 

[Sharkinva]

Problem is Kirk was and is a 4th round draft pick, selected to be a back-up. The guy selected to do as they did, never got that consideration either. He was thrown to the wolves instead of being benched and properly transitioned. That's water well past being under the bridge now.

Kirk is supposedly growing towards being something other than what he is. While that MIGHT be true in terms of eliminating mistakes, making better decisions and such, he will never be able to change the TYPE of player that he is.

Come on man.. we both know the chosen one was thrown to the wolves no more that

1. Dak Prescott
2. Manning (both)
3. Wentz
4. Newton
5. Watson
6. Shall I go on??

Add to that, he as catered to, at the level that in year two they changed the offense because he said so. IN year three they FIRED the coach and OC despite having a top ten offense in his OFF year.


BUt I agree the problem is Kirk was a 4th round draft pick who came in and took over for the anointed one. Our defacto GM, the team owner, and some of the fan base will never really forgive Kirk for succeeding. After all, hewas supposed to fail miserably when given the chance, thus leading to the rebirth of his homieness.

 

[Stymietee]

Just a quick question while we can't change who we are. Of course this can encompass many things. Who has the 2nd most rushing TDs in the NFL in the 2+ years Cousin's has been a starter.

It is hilarious watching you guys change your story from week to week ... wash, rinse, repeat.

This is BS and you know it...interesting that you preface it with not being able to change who we are as if rushing for the 2nd most TD in the NFL has anything at all to do with being Who you are. It's really sad that you relate him or anyone to this. Imagine his wife asking him to feed the baby and him responding with...."But I'm the 2nd leading TD scorer in the NFL in the last two years!"

 

[Stymietee]

Come on man.. we both know the chosen one was thrown to the wolves no more that

1. Dak Prescott
2. Manning (both)
3. Wentz
4. Newton
5. Watson
6. Shall I go on??

Add to that, he as catered to, at the level that in year two they changed the offense because he said so. IN year three they FIRED the coach and OC despite having a top ten offense in his OFF year.


BUt I agree the problem is Kirk was a 4th round draft pick who came in and took over for the anointed one. Our defacto GM, the team owner, and some of the fan base will never really forgive Kirk for succeeding. After all, hewas supposed to fail miserably when given the chance, thus leading to the rebirth of his homieness.

Don't want to and will not get into how badly Bob was handled on the premise that it worked for others so.........

Kirk succeeding?? I must have missed that somewhere. Success in the NFL is winning more games than you've loss AND winning playoff and SB games. Hey, I have an idea, let's switch the conversation to, "but it's a team game Sty."

Be honest, what he's actually done is steady the ship of state and that's impressive in the manner in which he's done that. Bottom lining this, can this team win a SB with Kirk, absolutely!!! But, he will be the facilitator and not the impetus in such a win like many others who have won SB on the energy of the team that they were on.

 

[Stymietee]

Fuck maybe this helps:

fa·cil·i·ta·tor
[fəˈsiləˌtādər]
NOUN
facilitators (plural noun)

1. a person or thing that makes an action or process easy or easier:
   "a true educator acts as a facilitator of learning" ·
   [more]
   "a program run by trained facilitators"

im·pe·tus
[ˈimpədəs]
momentum · propulsion · impulsion · motive force · driving force · drive · thrust · energy · force · power · push · strength

• the force that makes something happen or happen more quickly:
  "the crisis of the 1860s provided the original impetus for the settlements"
  synonyms: motivation · stimulus · incitement · incentive · inducement · inspiration · encouragement · boost · fillip · springboard · a shot in the arm

 

[gkekoa]

Fuck maybe this helps:

fa·cil·i·ta·tor
[fəˈsiləˌtādər]
NOUN
facilitators (plural noun)

1. a person or thing that makes an action or process easy or easier:
   "a true educator acts as a facilitator of learning" ·
   [more]
   "a program run by trained facilitators"

im·pe·tus
[ˈimpədəs]
momentum · propulsion · impulsion · motive force · driving force · drive · thrust · energy · force · power · push · strength

• the force that makes something happen or happen more quickly:
  "the crisis of the 1860s provided the original impetus for the settlements"
  synonyms: motivation · stimulus · incitement · incentive · inducement · inspiration · encouragement · boost · fillip · springboard · a shot in the arm

So a person that runs the offensive system...like I said.

 

[Stymietee]

So a person that runs the offensive system...like I said.

Basically, yeah....sorry that I didn't respond to your other post, but being in agreement does that sometimes.

 

[Sharkinva]

Fuck maybe this helps:

fa·cil·i·ta·tor
[fəˈsiləˌtādər]
NOUN
facilitators (plural noun)

1. a person or thing that makes an action or process easy or easier:
   "a true educator acts as a facilitator of learning" ·
   [more]
   "a program run by trained facilitators"

im·pe·tus
[ˈimpədəs]
momentum · propulsion · impulsion · motive force · driving force · drive · thrust · energy · force · power · push · strength

• the force that makes something happen or happen more quickly:
  "the crisis of the 1860s provided the original impetus for the settlements"
  synonyms: motivation · stimulus · incitement · incentive · inducement · inspiration · encouragement · boost · fillip · springboard · a shot in the arm

So then Kirk is the IMpetus?? Because without him our offense doesnt happen.

Oh wait, with out him our offense does happen.. it just happened to be shitty before he took over.

 

[Stymietee]

So then Kirk is the IMpetus?? Because without him our offense doesnt happen.

Oh wait, with out him our offense does happen.. it just happened to be shitty before he took over.

NOPE Kirk is a facilitator, any number of current players can run this offense, some better and some worse than and others just like he has. This offense becomes way more dangerous, if there was a driving dynamic force at QB. That's what Dan/Bruce wants and it was your insistence on this point that finally convinced me to embrace that POV.

 

[Rowdy]

Question is, is Sty deans facilitator or is he the playmaker ?

 

[Sharkinva]

NOPE Kirk is a facilitator, any number of current players can run this offense, some better and some worse than and others just like he has. This offense becomes way more dangerous, if there was a driving dynamic force at QB. That's what Dan/Bruce wants and it was your insistence on this point that finally convinced me to embrace that POV.

The problem is, Dan could care less about driving the offense as long as said player drives ticket and merchandise sales. Bruce is just pissed he fucked up on the Rg3 deal, and will do anything to NOT admit Mike was right. And again, if doing what Kirk has done was that easy, Bob would still be here at best, Colt would be QB at worst and Bruce would have never tagged Kirk twice. You dont pay $24M for some one that is easily replaced. Especially if you didnt want them to begin with.