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Omar 382
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1. Honus Wagner
2. Alex Rodriguez
3. George Davis
4. Arky Vaughan
5. Cal Ripken
6. Luke Appling
7. Derek Jeter
8. Barry Larkin
9. Lou Boudreau
10. Alan Trammell
11. Bill Dahlen
12. Joe Cronin
13. Robin Yount
14. Hughie Jennings
15. Pee Wee Reese
Where you place Bill Dahlen and Pee Wee Reese is 100% contingent upon your trust and general evaluation of defensive metrics and/or contemporary readings from those who watched them. I DO think, however, that whatever judgement call you make on valuing on their style of play, Dahlen has to be ahead of Reese.
Ernie Banks played more games at 1B, so he's not on the list. He would have been pretty low (11-14) anyway, due to his underwhelming defense and just "pretty good" .359 wOBA, which is due to his .330 OBP. Fun fact though, a lot of people think he has the highest ISO among qualified shortstops. He is actually second, A-Rod is first if you count him a shortstop (he has more games there than at third).
Arky Vaughan is just a hell of a player, and commonly overlooked on shortstop lists. Aside from having a bad ass name, he is tied for the best offensive season by wRC+ for a shortstop ever. In 1904, Nap Lajoie played 44 games at shortstop, but more at second base, so I do not count him. In 1935, Arky Vaughan hit .385/.491/.607 (remember, as a shortstop), good for a 194 wRC+ and .493 wOBA. Manny Ramirez never had a wOBA higher in any of his seasons. (Honus Wagner was the one who tied Vaughan with a 194 wRC+ in 1908).
Alan Trammell was a great player, and should be in the HOF, but I think you're retroactively overrating him if you place him any higher (or lower, for this matter) than 8 or 9.
2. Alex Rodriguez
3. George Davis
4. Arky Vaughan
5. Cal Ripken
6. Luke Appling
7. Derek Jeter
8. Barry Larkin
9. Lou Boudreau
10. Alan Trammell
11. Bill Dahlen
12. Joe Cronin
13. Robin Yount
14. Hughie Jennings
15. Pee Wee Reese
Where you place Bill Dahlen and Pee Wee Reese is 100% contingent upon your trust and general evaluation of defensive metrics and/or contemporary readings from those who watched them. I DO think, however, that whatever judgement call you make on valuing on their style of play, Dahlen has to be ahead of Reese.
Ernie Banks played more games at 1B, so he's not on the list. He would have been pretty low (11-14) anyway, due to his underwhelming defense and just "pretty good" .359 wOBA, which is due to his .330 OBP. Fun fact though, a lot of people think he has the highest ISO among qualified shortstops. He is actually second, A-Rod is first if you count him a shortstop (he has more games there than at third).
Arky Vaughan is just a hell of a player, and commonly overlooked on shortstop lists. Aside from having a bad ass name, he is tied for the best offensive season by wRC+ for a shortstop ever. In 1904, Nap Lajoie played 44 games at shortstop, but more at second base, so I do not count him. In 1935, Arky Vaughan hit .385/.491/.607 (remember, as a shortstop), good for a 194 wRC+ and .493 wOBA. Manny Ramirez never had a wOBA higher in any of his seasons. (Honus Wagner was the one who tied Vaughan with a 194 wRC+ in 1908).
Alan Trammell was a great player, and should be in the HOF, but I think you're retroactively overrating him if you place him any higher (or lower, for this matter) than 8 or 9.