The WC race gets more muddled as the Rangers welcome Seattle for 4 games - 9/11 - 9/14

[Justinkm83]

Don't think we will see Stanton here with that contract and what we would have to give up.

The contract brings the price down some.

 

[DT LUNA]

Don't think we will see Stanton here with that contract and what we would have to give up.

Too much and this type contract has kept us handcuffed to long

 

[Nightcrawler]

So.... Stanton & Otani

I agree 100% on otani

It's been awhile since this team had an exciting free agent.

I hope the front office has done a good job of laying the ground work, Darvish doesn't have too much influence over him, and that we can reel him in.

If he goes to the dodgers I'll strangle someone...

 

[DT LUNA]

I agree 100% on otani

It's been awhile since this team had an exciting free agent.

I hope the front office has done a good job of laying the ground work, Darvish doesn't have too much influence over him, and that we can reel him in.

If he goes to the dodgers I'll strangle someone...

Follow the money trail.

 

[donaldson79]

King Felix is starting tonight, and it's his first since coming off the DL. Maybe he'll be rusty.

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

Well, two games lost in the standings in two days. Now 4 games out of the second WC spot.

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

King Felix is starting tonight, and it's his first since coming off the DL. Maybe he'll be rusty.

I heard Nadel mention on Mon or Tue that he might be on a pitch count limit.

 

[saddles]

It will be interesting to see if we can get Ohtani to sign with us, and to me, even more interesting on how we try to develop him.

He could be a #2 start, #3 at worst, so if we got him, resign Cashner, then we'd have Hamels/Othani/Cashner/Perez and ?? How's that sound?

Not much better than this year's rotation if any. You are substituting Darvish with Otani.

 

[saddles]

not bad not good. The only numbers Cashner has going for him is era, his other numbers are well below average some are worst for a starter. Perez has to depend on his offense to survive and get wins. Out of his last 7 wins i give him credit for 1 maybe 2 of the wins, the other 5 or 6 belong to the team

Our problem with starting pitching is that we have done a terrible job of some combination of drafting and developing and keeping our own pitchers. We have been really bad at drafting and developing for so long that it is inexcusable that there hasn't been some wholesale changes within the organization in those areas over the last couple of years. You simply cannot sign and trade for all of your good pitchers. You have to be able to develop some of them. JD acknowledged that we need to develop our own ace when Cliff Lee didn't sign here and yet nothing significant has been changed to accomplish that goal. That is as big of an indictment against JD as any of the poor trades or poor signings.

 

[saddles]

Don't think we will see Stanton here with that contract and what we would have to give up.

What you would give up would be related to how much of his contract you took off of their hands. If we simply traded for him and assumed all of his contract we wouldn't have to give up anything of much significance. If we offset the money due him by getting them to eat part of his contract then we would have to give up value, but it would not bankrupt the farm. They have overpaid him and getting out from under that is their primary goal.

 

[saddles]

The contract brings the price down some.

I think it brings it down very substantially.

 

[saddles]

Since the Stanton talk has started up again I will quote Jamey Newberg's idea from a few days ago.

November Something, 2017: Texas trades Shin-Soo Choo, Rougned Odor, and Yanio Perez to the Jeters for Giancarlo Stanton


Now, on paper, it’s a woefully inadequate package of talent for the game’s most prodigious power hitter.


And on the other, it’s a horribly encumbering payroll hit, particularly when no cash changes hands.


A huge gut check on both sides.


For the Marlins – who, according to Bob Nightengale (USA Today), have been contacted recently by several teams, including the Rangers, expressing interest in the 27-year-old, and who might be open this winter to trading him – it would remove a 10-year, $295 million contract from the club’s books, which in another section reportedly indicates a $90 million debt in 2017 alone.


Nightengale suggests Miami might have to subsidize at least $75 million of Stanton’s contract in order to move him.


Another way to accomplish that: Take on the $63 million owed to Choo the next three years, and Odor’s accelerating salaries.


For the Rangers, you add the game’s most dangerous right-handed power bat to a lineup that tilts heavily to the left – with Willie Calhoun and perhaps Ronald Guzman on the way to pile on even further – and in the process remove two players who hit from the left side.


Switch-hitting Jurickson Profar (.292/.385/.443 at Round Rock, with more walks [39] than strikeouts [28]) becomes the favorite to assume second base.


Freeing up DH makes other things easier going forward.


By removing what’s owed to Choo in 2018-2020 and to Odor in 2018-2023, this is what Stanton would effectively cost Texas:




2018 age 28 $2,000,000


2019 29 <$2,500,000>


2020 30 <$4,000,000>


2021 31 $17,000,000


2022 32 $17,000,000


2023 33 $18,500,000 (or $29M, if Odor were still here and bought out)


2024 34 $32,000,000


2025 35 $32,000,000


2026 36 $29,000,000


2027 37 $25,000,000


2028 38 $25,000,000 (or $10M, if Stanton were bought out)




All told, 11 years at, effectively, $191 million (or 10 at $176 million) under this trade scenario. That’s $17.3 million a year, or $17.6 million a year if bought out of that age 38 season.


Yes, Stanton may opt out after 2020. He’d be giving up seven years and a guaranteed $218 million ($31.1 million AAV) for what’s behind Door Number 2.


And if that happens, you bid heavily to keep the guy, or spend the money somewhere else.


And yes, that’s a big payroll jump for the Rangers in 2021. They’ll be in a new ballpark by then and presumably more comfortable absorbing it.


We’re talking about Giancarlo Stanton.


In a lineup next to Joey Gallo.

 

[saddles]

Odor can't walk without limping, and Banny still will not sit him.

This organization is in "Anything But Profar" mode right now.

 

[saddles]

Without Adrian in the line up this is just not the same team.

Going forward the lineup has to be built by JD with the idea in mind that Beltre is going to miss half the season. If our lineup isn't up to par without Adrian then that is the fault of the ones in charge of acquiring the proper players to fill out the lineup. From this point forward whatever you get from Adrian has to be considered a bonus and should not be counted on.

 

[saddles]

Starting to get a

" this team is done" feeling. The Beltre injury probably did them in.

I got that feeling a few months back.

 

[saddles]

I'd really like to know the average age on this board.

I know DT is an esteemed elderly gentleman and I think Romeo is around my age.

I am 54.

 

[DT LUNA]

This organization is in "Anything But Profar" mode right now.

So true

 

[Bmurph]

This team pitching and a lot of it, the least of their concerns should be Giancarlo Stanton.

GO PAY FOR PITCHING!

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

Beltre and Napoli should be on the DL. Yet here they are in the starting lineup.

I hope Cash brings the money tonight.