The case for Verlander... AL Cy Young

[TKOSpikes]

I find it sad that Verlander won't be getting the ALCY. He truly came back this year and was the best pitcher in the American League in 2016. Here we go...

34 starts... 27 "quality" starts

16 Wins
Gave up more than three earned runs ONCE in his 16 wins. He pitched less than six innings ZERO times in his 16 wins.

9 Losses
In April, the Pirates lit him up for 7 earned, the Indians twice in May and June went for 7 and 8 earned, and the Angels in May got him for 4 earned. That's FOUR games with more than three earned in his 9 losses. Two losses with 3 earned, one loss with 2 earned and two losses with 1 earned.

9 No Decisions
All nine of his ND were "quality" starts. Only ONE was 3 earned. FOUR were 2 earned. 1 earned twice, and 0 earned twice. ONE no decision was less than seven innings.... his first start of the season where he went 6 innings and 3 earned.

The 8 earned given up to the Indians on June 26th was his last "bad" start.

227.2 innings, 254 K's

How many of those ND are wins if he was wearing Happ's jersey or Porcello's jersey? Sure, the Tigers should have had a good offense, and maybe at times they did, but they rarely showed up for JV.

That is all.

 

[broncosmitty]

I bet he gets 2nd.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I find it sad that Verlander won't be getting the ALCY. He truly came back this year and was the best pitcher in the American League in 2016. Here we go...

34 starts... 27 "quality" starts

16 Wins
Gave up more than three earned runs ONCE in his 16 wins. He pitched less than six innings ZERO times in his 16 wins.

9 Losses
In April, the Pirates lit him up for 7 earned, the Indians twice in May and June went for 7 and 8 earned, and the Angels in May got him for 4 earned. That's FOUR games with more than three earned in his 9 losses. Two losses with 3 earned, one loss with 2 earned and two losses with 1 earned.

9 No Decisions
All nine of his ND were "quality" starts. Only ONE was 3 earned. FOUR were 2 earned. 1 earned twice, and 0 earned twice. ONE no decision was less than seven innings.... his first start of the season where he went 6 innings and 3 earned.

The 8 earned given up to the Indians on June 26th was his last "bad" start.

227.2 innings, 254 K's

How many of those ND are wins if he was wearing Happ's jersey or Porcello's jersey? Sure, the Tigers should have had a good offense, and maybe at times they did, but they rarely showed up for JV.

That is all.

Not sure where I was all season, didn't realize he had such a good season... Also didn't realize the AL had such weak pitching this season...

Verlander is my clear cut CY...

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I bet he gets 2nd.

If I had a vote, I'd pick Verlander, but I think he'll get 3rd.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

If I had a vote, I'd pick Verlander, but I think he'll get 3rd.

Porcello will probably win since he got 22 wins... But I would vote him 3rd behind Kluber and Verlander...

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Porcello will probably win since he got 22 wins... But I would vote him 3rd behind Kluber and Verlander...

Agreed.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I'm thinking the voters might give Kluber the nod over Verlander because of wins and playoff berth.

 

[Voltaire26]

A lot of good seasons this year for starting pitching, but no outstanding one. I would vote for Verlander, but I am a homer. If I wasn't a homer, I would vote for Zach Britton 47 saves 0 blown saves.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Zach Britton 47 saves 0 blown saves.

He did lose a game, though.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Agreed.

Actually I changed my mind, I have Porcello over Kluber... Just barely though... But verlander still had the better season than both IMO...

 

[broncosmitty]

If I had a vote, I'd pick Verlander, but I think he'll get 3rd.

You think Britton and Rickey P finish 1-2?

I have Rick third, but the Ws could do more in voting than I think they should.

 

[broncosmitty]

You think Britton and Rickey P finish 1-2?

I have Rick third, but the Ws could do more in voting than I think they should.

I should've kept reading.

 

[The Q]

Verlander is the best option for the ALCY IMO.

I really didn't look at 2nd all that closely tbh.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I should've kept reading.

I presume you think I'm being homer, but as I said, if I had a vote, I'd give it to Verlander.

I think it's ridiculous that wins and team standings factor into CY voting, but it's hard to argue that they don't. I'm not saying I for sure think CK will finish ahead of JV, but I'm thinking he might.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I presume you think I'm being homer, but as I said, if I had a vote, I'd give it to Verlander.

I think it's ridiculous that wins and team standings factor into CY voting, but it's hard to argue that they don't. I'm not saying I for sure think CK will finish ahead of JV, but I'm thinking he might.

I never understood why some of you sabre heads totally ignore team stats... I will agree that they are less important, but I do think they are important, even if for different reasons than they were initially intended for...

 

[The Q]

I never understood why some of you sabre heads totally ignore team stats... I will agree that they are less important, but I do think they are important, even if for different reasons than they were initially intended for...

Because it's things that the SP can't really control.

I think they have some minimal value, but not compared to the stuff they have control over.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I never understood why some of you sabre heads totally ignore team stats...

Totally ignore team stats? I look at team stats all the time, I just don't put much stock in W/L and team standings when I'm evaluating how well a guy pitched.

A starting pitcher tosses, what, about 15% of a teams total innings? How is the team's overall record relevant in how he pitched?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Totally ignore team stats? I look at team stats all the time, I just don't put much stock in W/L and team standings when I'm evaluating how well a guy pitched.

A starting pitcher tosses, what, about 15% of a teams total innings? How is the team's overall record relevant in how he pitched?

Misunderstood... Yea, team standings is irrelevant... But the team results when you pitch is relevant IMO...

 

[broncosmitty]

I presume you think I'm being homer, but as I said, if I had a vote, I'd give it to Verlander.

I think it's ridiculous that wins and team standings factor into CY voting, but it's hard to argue that they don't. I'm not saying I for sure think CK will finish ahead of JV, but I'm thinking he might.

I don't think standings factor in. Not sure why they would.

It's essentially tMost Outstanding Pitcher Award.

 

[broncosmitty]

And generally when I call you a homer, it's to paint you in a corner.

You back Player X, with a red faced wahoo on his sleeve, I re-point out your homerism. You don't back Player X, I have more elbow room for insults. (See Danny Salazar or DroneBoy.)

(Disregard this when we're in the ALC Thread. It's my patent move.)