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SportsHoopla's Most Storied Program Tournament - (3) USC vs (6) Alabama

Who has a more storied program?


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Good for you, who are you playing in week 1 when we play Wisconsin?...Do you even know what the mascot is for Arkansas St...

Yes, we play Charleston Southern in Nov...we also play LSU, Miss St and Auburn.

I am also well aware of the shortcomings of our OOC schedule. You on the other hand seem to be delusional about yours.

The last two teams from the SEC that had the balls to schedule a home & home with the Trojans (Arkansas & Auburn) didn't fair so well. The Trojans dropping 70 and 50 pts. on the Razorbacks and shutting out Auburn in their second meeting 23-0 at Jordan-Hare Stadium after the Trojans handled business at the Coliseum the year before.

That Razorback team that had 50 pts. dropped on them by the Trojans, they went on to win 7 straight SEC conference games that year, Auburn (ranked #2) was Arkansas 3rd conference victim that year, losing to the Razorbacks 27-10.
 

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There's nothing tough about these cupcakes on Alabama's schedule this coming season...

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2015 Non-Conference Opponents: Middle Tennessee, ULMMonroe and FCS Charleston Southern

Alabama scheduling 3 wins before the season has even started isn't something to be proud of.

The entire SEC conference should be ashamed having so many FCS opponents on their schedules


Power Ranking the SEC’s 2015 Non-Conference Schedules
By Amy Daughters - February 11, 2015
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South Carolina plays Clemson, UNC, and UCF in 2015. (Nelson Chenault-USA TODAY Sports)

Was it a big deal that Georgia played both Clemson and Georgia Tech out of conference in 2014 while Missouri’s only Power-Five foe was Indiana?

And what about Ole Miss, with Boise State as its stiffest non-SEC opponent vs. LSU, who opened up last season vs. Wisconsin?

If nothing else these examples remind us, once again, that all non-conference schedules are not created equal. It’s something that could be the difference maker in a team going 12-1 vs. 11-2, a swing that could cost a program a place in the CFB Playoff.

With this is in mind, here’s a sweeping look at the SEC non-league schedules for 2015.

14. Mississippi State

2015 Non-Conference Opponents: at Southern Miss, FCS Northwestern State, Troy, Louisiana Tech

The Bulldogs are one of only four SEC teams that won’t face a Power-Five team outside of conference play in 2015. MSU’s only non-league opponent with a winning record from last season is Louisiana Tech, which finished 9-5.

The last time Mississippi State scheduled a Power-Five, non-SEC team in the regular-season was in 2013, when it opened up with a loss to No. 13 Oklahoma State in Houston.

13. Ole Miss

2015 Non-Conference Opponents: FCS UT-Martin, Fresno State, New Mexico State, at Memphis

The only winning team the Rebels will face out of SEC-play in 2015 is Memphis, also their only non-conference road game. Don’t feel too bad though, Memphis’ Liberty Bowl stadium is a mere 83 miles from the Ole Miss campus.

The Rebels’ last regular-season, non-SEC game vs. a Power-Five team also came in 2013 when it travelled to Austin and beat Texas 44-23.

12. Kentucky

2015 Non-Conference Opponents: UL Lafayette, FCS Eastern Kentucky, Charlotte, Louisville

Kentucky faces an FCS opponent and a team that transitions to the FBS in 2015, Charlotte. What its schedule does have going for it, other than flash and obvious appeal, is that it features three teams that finished last season with winning records: ULL (9-4), EKU (9-4) and Louisville (9-4).

The last time the Wildcats played a Power-Five team out of conference in the regular season other than Louisville was in 2005, when it lost 38-14 to Indiana in Bloomington.

11. Vanderbilt

2015 Non-Conference Opponents: Western Kentucky, FCS Austin Peay, at Middle Tennessee, at Houston

The third of the four SEC teams without a Power-Five opponent out of conference, Vanderbilt’s 2015 non-league slate is actually an improvement over 2014 when the Commodores squared off with Temple, UMass, FCS Charleston Southern and Old Dominion.

Vandy is another program that hasn’t played a Power-Five team out of conference since 2013, taking on Wake Forest in the finale. It is also the only SEC program with two road games out of conference in 2015.

10. LSU

2015 Non-Conference Opponents: FCS McNeese State, at Syracuse, Eastern Michigan, Western Kentucky

In what may become a significant factor in this season’s CFB Playoff race, LSU has its easiest non-conference slate since 2008, when it squared off with FCS Appalachian State, North Texas, Tulane and Troy.

The Tigers’ stiffest test will be the Saturday, Sept. 26 road trip to face Syracuse, a team they’ve never met in the regular season.

9. Arkansas

2015 Non-Conference Opponents: UTEP, Toledo (in Little Rock), Texas Tech, FCS UT-Martin

Even though UTEP (7-6) and Toledo (9-4) both finished 2014 above .500, only one of the two teams has ever beaten an SEC squad. That came in the 1967 Sun Bowl when the Miners beat Ole Miss 14-7.

That leaves Texas Tech, a team that finished last season 4-8 and hasn’t won vs. the SEC since 2003 when it rolled in to Oxford and nipped Ole Miss 49-45.

8. Missouri

2015 Non-Conference Opponents: FCS Southeast Missouri State, at Arkansas State, UConn, BYU (in Kansas City)

The only winning teams from 2014 on Mizzou’s 2015 non-SEC slate are Arkansas State (7-6) and BYU (8-5). Even though the Cougars aren’t technically a Power-Five team they offer stiffer opposition that the bottom teams in any of the major conferences.

That said, the Tigers are a combined 5-0 all-time vs. FCS Southeast Missouri State and Arkansas State, have never faced UConn and are 0-1 vs. BYU. So, Missouri’s only loss to any of these teams came 32-years ago in a three-point defeat to the No. 9 Cougars in the 1983 Holiday Bowl.
 

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Here's the other half of that list from above...

7. Auburn

2015 Non-Conference Opponents: Louisville (in Atlanta), FCS Jacksonville State, San Jose State, Idaho

If it weren’t for its opener vs. a Louisville team that finished last season 9-4, Auburn would be playing its non-league slate against two FBS opponents that combined for four wins in 2014.

That leaves FCS Jacksonville State, which went 10-2 last season including winning its conference championship and making it to the second round of the FCS playoffs.

6. Alabama

2015 Non-Conference Opponents: Wisconsin (in Arlington, Tex.), Middle Tennessee, ULMMonroe and FCS Charleston Southern

With Wisconsin replacing West Virginia in the opener, Alabama’s 2015 non-SEC slate is technically one notch more difficult than last season’s was.

Though the balance of the Tide’s non-conference schedule leaves a lot to be desired, you have to give Alabama credit for consistently scheduling a big-name, Power-Five in the first two weeks of each season. The last time it didn’t happen was in 2007, when the first two games were vs. FCS Western Carolina and Vandy. That led to a Week 5 showdown with Florida State, meaning the non-SEC headliner was just delayed rather than avoided.

5. Georgia

2015 Non-Conference Opponents: UL Monroe, FCS Southern, Georgia Southern, at Georgia Tech

What gives Georgia’s schedule an edge over Alabama’s is it plays its Power-Five opponent in a true road game and its remaining foes are just a hair more difficult.

Both teams play ULM, so that leaves Georgia Southern, a team that went 9-3 last season and FCS Southern, a squad that finished 9-4. That beats Middle Tennessee’s 6-6 finish and FCS Charleston’s 8-4 mark. It also doesn’t hurt that Georgia Tech finished at No. 8 in the final AP vs. Wisconsin’s No. 13.

After playing both Clemson and the Yellow Jackets each of the last two seasons, 2015 is the first year that the Bulldogs won’t play two Power-Fives outside of SEC play since 2012, when they played Buffalo, FAU, then FCS Georgia Southern and Georgia Tech. Is it any coincidence that Georgia finished that season 12-2, ranked No. 5 in the final AP?

4. Tennessee

2015 Non-Conference Opponents: Bowling Green (in Nashville), Oklahoma, FCS Western Carolina, North Texas

After traveling to Norman last season, a place where only one non-conference opponent has won in the last nine years, the Volunteers will get Oklahoma at home in Knoxville.

The Sooners haven’t lost a regular-season, non-Big 12 game since 2012. That combined with the clash Bowling Green, a team that beat Indiana last season and came within one point of knocking off Mississippi State in 2013, gives Tennessee a respectable non-SEC slate.

3. Texas A&M

2015 Non-Conference Opponents: Arizona State (in Houston), Ball State, Nevada, FCS Western Carolina

Texas A&M’s opener vs. Arizona State marks the first time it’s faced a Power-Five team out of conference since its final season in the Big 12, when it squared off with Arkansas in Arlington, Texas.

Along with Arizona State (10-3), both Nevada (7-6) and FCS Western Carolina (7-5) finished 2014 with winning records.

Though Nevada isn’t exactly UCLA, keep in mind that the Wolf Pack bested both Washington State and BYU last season and lost 35-28 to Arizona, a team that finished 10-4.

2. Florida

2015 Non-Conference Opponents: New Mexico State, East Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Florida State

While it’s no surprise that the Gators will be squaring off with Florida State, a team they’ve been playing every year since 1958, it’s still arguably the toughest non-SEC game in the bunch.

The Seminoles finished last season tied for No. 5 in the final AP poll, higher than any other non-conference opponent an SEC team will play this year.

Add in East Carolina, a team that beat No. 17 Virginia Tech and North Carolina in 2014 (and almost knocked off the very same Gators in the Birmingham Bowl) and you could make a case for Florida having the toughest non-power opponent as well.

1. South Carolina

2015 Non-Conference Opponents: North Carolina (in Charlotte), UCF, FCS Citadel, Clemson

Not only is South Carolina the only SEC team in 2015 to play more than one Power-Five opponent in non-conference play, it also has UCF, a team that is 31-9 since 2012. It’s the same program that upset No. 6 Baylor 52-42 in the 2014 Fiesta Bowl.

Throw in North Carolina and Clemson from the ACC and it’s the Gamecocks that will face the toughest non-conference line-up in the SEC.

That scheduling really is embarrassing.
 

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The Role of Scheduling in the Great SEC Supremacy Caper
July 1, 2015



Our previous articles have pointed out the multiple manipulative ways that the SEC supremacy façade has been parlayed over the past decade. From numerous favorable overmatched bowl pairings during the BCS years to annual preseason rankings that stacked the deck full of overrated SEC teams to ESPN incessantly pumping up the conference throughout the season while passively dismissing numerous SEC player criminal arrests to the NCAA turning a blind eye to several credible reports of flagrant violations… the ingredients have blended quite well together to create a infantile chanting fanbase of obnoxious sheep and the subsequent creation of an intricately woven myth that football in the SEC was just simply better than everywhere else. However there has been yet another more subtle, although just as powerful, ingredient all along that has played a part in the creation of the SEC Supremacy fantasy and it continues to flourish into the upcoming 2015 season… the role of scheduling.

SEC chanters would like you to believe that SEC teams have the toughest schedules. Sadly they have no data to back that up. However WE have the data to debunk that myth. For starters, teams in the SEC play fewer out of conference games against Power 5 opponents than any of the other Power 5 teams.



So what makes the SEC schedules harder than any other conference if their teams play FEWER out of conference football powers? Is it because they play each other? That circular logic just isn’t going to fly anymore. Especially not after a 2014 football season in which the SEC East went 0-4 against the lowly ACC in the final week and the vaunted SEC West (whose teams ESPN pundits were campaigning to get 3 or more into the playoffs all the way up until the final week) went 2-5 in the Bowls!

Last season, Ole Miss and Mississippi State collectively beat Boise State, UL Lafayette, Memphis, Presbysterian, Southern Miss, UAB, South Alabama and UT Martin out of conference. Yet by mid-season, ESPN and the rest of the moronic sports media world was ready to portray these two overnight SEC powers as the best two teams in the nation. (Our blog was the ONLY site at the time reporting these two as overhyped frauds… feel free to go back to our October-November articles to see.) Because they beat Alabama and Auburn respectively early in the season, the ESPN hype machine was in full gear to make sure these teams got into the college football playoff come hell or high water. Well, it just so turned out that both hell and high water came. And Mississippi State lost by 15 to ACC’s Georgia Tech while Ole Miss got throttled by Big 12’s TCU to the tune of 42-3. So tell us again how good these teams were just because they could beat most of the rest of the SEC… I suppose that 48-0 win over Presbyterian should be enough for us, eh?

As damning as the above graphic is in displaying how few out of conference Power 5 teams the SEC plays as compared to the other conferences, even that stat doesn’t give justice to the whole picture. In fact, of the 11 out of conference P5 teams that the SEC will play this year, 7 of these are from the ACC. Earlier articles of ours from 2013 chronicled how the SEC historically has picked on the ACC (traditionally considered the weakest of the Power 5) to pad their out of conference stats. However in 2014 the ACC hit back and left an indelible black eye on the SEC that may take a while to fade away. Despite all that, it speaks volumes that the SEC once again manages to dodge the PAC 12, Big Ten and Big 12 so well in the regular season. Perhaps geographic issues play a part in that, but if your teams are rarely willing to travel up north or out west to beat other conferences’ football powerhouses, then you probably should stop claiming to be the best just because you know how to effectively whip SunBelt and Conference USA teams throughout the season.

One of our @SEC_Exposed Twitter followers pointed out another problem with the statistical graphic above that needs to be also taken into consideration. Both the Big 12 and PAC-12 play 9 game conference schedules. The other three Power 5 conferences play 8. This lessens the sample size of those Big 12 and PAC-12 out of conference opportunities from 4 to 3. However it also fails to give credit to the fact that teams in those conferences are, after all, playing MORE Power 5 opponents over all because they are playing one more conference game than the others. Taking this into account widens the above gap even more between the SEC and the rest of college football’s Power 5 in scheduling intensity:



Compounding the pathetic scheduling of the SEC is the fact that such a vast majority of their out of conference games come from Conference USA, Sun Belt and FCS. What’s more, so few of those games are played away from home. As a recent article by ElevenWarriors.com pointed out, most of these are also played the weekend before rivalry games creating the ever popular SEC tradition known as “ChickenShit Saturday”:

“The penultimate Saturday on the schedule is arguably the most stressful of the entire season: division titles hang in the balance, style point currency fluctuations are at their most volatile and every contender is ripe for an upset ahead of facing their designated arch-rivals.

Title contenders know this too well. That Saturday is dark, terrifying, full of spiders and littered with land mines. It’s virtually impossible to recover from a loss that late in the season.

Anyway, here are some of the schools SEC teams have scheduled for that Saturday since 2012: Samford, Chattanooga, Coastal Carolina, Western Carolina, Eastern Kentucky and South Alabama. Georgia Southern, Idaho, FAU, Charlotte and Citadel all twice. Charleston Southern three times…

Chickenshit Saturday is indefensible, and there isn’t a wanking motion theatrical enough to accommodate the circular logic of the conference strength argument because you can always schedule Samford in September. The best football player in Charleston Southern football history isn’t even good enough to get unexpectedly cut by Nick Saban in August to make room for a new recruit.

November schedules should contain conference opponents or designated rivals only. This improves the sport, enhances the most captivating month on the schedule and levels the playing field without any controversy.

[Source: Room For Improvement | Eleven Warriors]

It’s fascinating that despite all the above facts, the media continues to keep its head buried firmly in the sandbox and insistent that the SEC plays the toughest schedules in all the land. Even some of the most respected gurus in the business like Phil Steele (who continues to boast 17 straight years of the “most accurate preseason football magazine”) appears to be totally duped. His most recent 2015 publication (much like his 2014 publication before it) has 3 SEC West teams in the Top 6 of “toughest schedules” in the nation. Which means he has totally bought into the notion that the SEC West is just that much better than anyone else, so playing each other makes their schedules the strongest. And their scheduling is strongest because, well, they are in each others’ schedules. Makes a lot of sense. Except the part where the SEC West went 2-5 against the rest of the Power 5 in the bowl games last season, giving this presumption no basis whatsoever. Meanwhile the PAC-12 went 5-2 against out-of-conference Power 5 teams in the bowls. 11-4 against out-of-conference Power 5 teams in the regular season. But that stat is actually irrelevant since the SEC as a whole is the best conference. Sure it is.

Hey media shills, save us some of that Bullshit Kool Aid you’re drinking so maybe we can all share it while watching those great games on SEC Network together during ChickenShit Saturday.

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I'll wait while you link the "corruption" at USC under Pete Carroll. Also, link where the NCAA found any evidence linking Pete Carroll to what happened with Bush.

As usual, you resort to making shit up.
This thread is no fun anymore. It's turning into another USC hate thread. Everything's all Reggie bush and Pete Carrol en sech :rant:

Did everyone forget about bamas violations and how light they got off :noidea:
 

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One could say a lot of SHIT...as you have clearly demonstrated.

Looks to me like your the only one talking conference shit, which is surprising given your 1 horse history.

Not one time have I remotely attempted to justify our schedule...Since it is again widely regarded as the #1 toughest schedule of 2015, there is no need. I will leave it to you Trojans to pretend that your schedule is somehow beyond reproach...LOL.

As for all time greats...John Hannah, Derrick Thomas, Lee Roy Jordan, Ozzie Newsome, Dwight Stephenson, Don Hutson, Bart Starr, Joe Namath...nuff said.
Marcus Allen,Ronnie Lott,Junior Seau,Bruce Matthews,Clay Matthews,Troy Palamalu,Charles White,OJ Simpson,Clay MatthewsIII,Carson Palmer,Anthony Munoz,Lynn Swann,Anthony Davis,Keyshawn Johnson,Ricky Bell, Ron Yary, Frank Gifford,Tony Bosselli, Jack Del Rio,Kieth Van Horne,Pat Hayden,Tim McDonald,Joey Browner,Winston Justice..............
 

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When bama starts scheduling top tier teams in home and homes ,stops scheduling FCS teams and stops relying on their conference maybe they will start inching towards SC's level . One could say the PAC was the best conference last season and is geared to challenge as the best conference again this season. But that's moot and really kind of lame :laugh3: It's most storied program not conference :L Do you want to get into all to e rosters? Go a little deeper than false titles and trying to justify bamas weak scheduling :noidea: we could talk about Ronnie Lott, Marcus Allen, Anthony Munoz, JoeyBrowner,Lynn Swann...........
Bama has no trouble scheduling them, it's playing them that's the problem. "uncertainty in the SEC schedule" after a 13-1 vote against a 9 game conference schedule might worry them again and they will cancel the next one.
 

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Bama has no trouble scheduling them, it's playing them that's the problem. "uncertainty in the SEC schedule" after a 13-1 vote against a 9 game conference schedule might worry them again and they will cancel the next one.

Meh...I hope we keep getting invited to the kickoff games, I would much rather play somebody different every year. No offense to Mich St., but I would rather have the Wisconsin and USC neutral site games, than a home and home with you guys.

Of course I might start wanting a rematch if we start losing these one-offs.
 

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Meh...I hope we keep getting invited to the kickoff games, I would much rather play somebody different every year. No offense to Mich St., but I would rather have the Wisconsin and USC neutral site games, than a home and home with you guys.

Of course I might start wanting a rematch if we start losing these one-offs.
I get it, you want to get rid of the one thing that is different between the NFL and college football. Let's get rid of that whole environment thing and go for the cash grab and being whores.
 

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Good for you, who are you playing in week 1 when we play Wisconsin?...Do you even know what the mascot is for Arkansas St...

Yes, we play Charleston Southern in Nov...we also play LSU, Miss St and Auburn.

I am also well aware of the shortcomings of our OOC schedule. You on the other hand seem to be delusional about yours.

Great question - it used to be the Indians but they were forced to change it to the Red Wolves as Indians was seen as offensive.
 

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Great question - it used to be the Indians but they were forced to change it to the Red Wolves as Indians was seen as offensive.
If they had been truly touting their academics, it would have been the "well-read wolves."
 

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I guess this one's settled.

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