Sponsor dumps Brandon Marshall

[sonnyblack65]

I just know when a caucasian,latino,asian or like Sonny Cid said Indian get killed by a cop, it does not make news or have protests. Alllivesmatter and stop looking at people as color but as humans, all created equal

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

as a vet i would still protect his right to protest .. but I also feel that it is disrespectful as hell the way he is going about it ,there are other ways to make your point and get your message out to people

Kap met with Nate Boyer, who tried out for the Seahawks as a long-snapper. Boyer supports the protest, has issues with the way he did it, but supports it. Ex Green Beret.

I'm also a vet (air force/vietnam era). I don't have an issue with Kaep's protest, or the way he's going about it...nor do I have a problem with Marshall losing that particular sponsor. That being said, I do see how many police officials/law enforcement members are not aligning with it. And yes I also understand that the overwhelming vast majority of cops are not crooked, or overzealous racists.

 

[chf]

All good points CHF you never threw a punch and were probably respected and were respected back. Same with cops , most never discharged their firearms. Try dealing with domestics, kids that are starving while the parents are shooting up heroin, pull somebody over and they start talking shit. They start using the 'profiling card" " why;d I get pulled over officer" bs Just obey, hand over reg, license and answer questions respectfully and more than not, you will just get a warning

There is something to 'driving while black though.' Up here it's natives. I have a friend who is native, and is a high school teacher. He's repeatedly had cops called on him, because employees of places like hotels assume he's a drunk or up to no good, and call police. Needless to say he's had some jaw-dropping interactions with the cops when they arrive.

Thankfully for him they don't shoot on sight, but it usually takes a LOOONG conversation and showing of his teacher ID to not get thrown out of places.

As a white guy, that's something that never even crosses my mind. If I'm in a mall or hotel, people don't assume the worst of me.

And AGAIN, we can admit there's a problem AND also admit that all cops aren't bad (and that even most cops are good).

Again, the bad apples spoil the barrel. We need to expect more of law enforcement.

 

[Lakers+USC=#1]

There is something to 'driving while black though.' Up here it's natives. I have a friend who is native, and is a high school teacher. He's repeatedly had cops called on him, because employees of places like hotels assume he's a drunk or up to no good, and call police. Needless to say he's had some jaw-dropping interactions with the cops when they arrive.

Thankfully for him they don't shoot on sight, but it usually takes a LOOONG conversation and showing of his teacher ID to not get thrown out of places.

As a white guy, that's something that never even crosses my mind. If I'm in a mall or hotel, people don't assume the worst of me.

And AGAIN, we can admit there's a problem AND also admit that all cops aren't bad (and that even most cops are good).

Again, the bad apples spoil the barrel. We need to expect more of law enforcement.

It also don't help, when good cops cover up or don't speak against the bad ones.

 

[Hank Kingsley]

It also don't help, when good cops cover up or don't speak against the bad ones.

Omerta....

 

[chf]

It also don't help, when good cops cover up or don't speak against the bad ones.

Absolutely. I put that down to human nature. When I bounced I didn't speak out against the guys I worked with who liked to bash heads either.

 

[sonnyblack65]

There is something to 'driving while black though.' Up here it's natives. I have a friend who is native, and is a high school teacher. He's repeatedly had cops called on him, because employees of places like hotels assume he's a drunk or up to no good, and call police. Needless to say he's had some jaw-dropping interactions with the cops when they arrive.

Thankfully for him they don't shoot on sight, but it usually takes a LOOONG conversation and showing of his teacher ID to not get thrown out of places.

As a white guy, that's something that never even crosses my mind. If I'm in a mall or hotel, people don't assume the worst of me.

And AGAIN, we can admit there's a problem AND also admit that all cops aren't bad (and that even most cops are good).

Again, the bad apples spoil the barrel. We need to expect more of law enforcement.

I don't assume the worst of people because of color. If I see guys with hoodies, they look shady or are loud or just have a bad vibe that's when my spidey senses go on. Many white dudes do jacking, robberies etc . Drugs has no discrimination and people rob from their own mother's, who are strangers to them?

 

[chf]

I don't assume the worst of people because of color.

Too bad you aren't everybody.

P.S. I'm wearing a navy blue hoodie to work today.

 

[Hank Kingsley]

Too bad you aren't everybody.

P.S. I'm wearing a navy blue hoodie to work today.

Remind me to walk far from you in the parking lot.....

Just kidding.

 

[L.Freamon]

name calling is always the first sign of "i have nothing logical to counter with, so i'll just go there."

Actually, i'm willing to recognize you for your stupidity (you clearly wanted the attention else you wouldn't post something so ridiculously stupid) and nothing more. Carry on.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Too bad you aren't everybody.

P.S. I'm wearing a navy blue hoodie to work today.

Punk I'm staying away from you Just heard this on news this am. Grabbed in my state

Man wanted in shooting death of North Carolina cop arrested in Rhode Island | Fox News

 

[_phiLLies_]

Actually, i'm willing to recognize you for your stupidity (you clearly wanted the attention else you wouldn't post something so ridiculously stupid) and nothing more. Carry on.

this from a guy applauding colin 'converted muslim' kaepernick. a pussy whipped douchebag who sat on the bench for his own selfish reasons, without saying a word, without a cause, until the media noticed and wanted an answer.

then he finally, slowly started oozing random bullshit that is basically recycled babble he rants about on his twitter page.

the fact you think he's done a great job by keeping this in the headlines is hilarious. it's not the somber "we need to change this and that" news, it's pissed off, "why the fuck is this scum using the flag/anthem as cover for his garbage?" type news.

 

[shopson67]

Then listen to the cops and let the courts sort it out. Too many people break out the tough guy act with cops, and then they wonder why the cops get more aggressive in dealing with them. Listen to the cops, be respectful, do what they say, and odds are you're going to make it out ok.

Again, we're talking about incidents where the cops were quite clearly in the wrong. The kid with the pellet gun was driven up on and shot immediately. The guy laying on the ground with his extremities extended was still shot. A driver was shot 4 times for reaching for his license. A guy was choked to death on the concrete after being subdued (he was struggling because he couldn't breathe). People are running away because they fear for their lives.

I would guess those odds may be pretty high if you're white. If you're a person of color, not so much.

 

[shopson67]

It's not the somber "we need to change this and that" news, it's pissed off, "why the fuck is this scum using the flag/anthem as cover for his garbage?" type news.

That's not the protester's fault; that's the fault of the media.

 

[shopson67]

True predominantly white. If a white criminal, junkie, suspect, kkk etc gets killed I could give a rat's ass and will sleep better at night. Bottom line is don't put yourself in a situation, and none of this will happen. If I walk through say Compton at 3am, chances are I am going to get jacked. About 10 years ago in Providence they apprehended a suspect who stabbed an 82 yr old woman on the streets for money. He pulled the cop's halster ans shot him right in the face. He had no weapon on him? Yet he escapes and when finally caught scuffles with the State Police who ruff him up. His family and protesters are on TV saying that the police didn't need to use force. Huh, a cop with 3 young kids at home just lost thei father, please give me a fucking break

If he had no weapon, how did he stab the old woman? How did he manage to pull the cop's holster?

Once the suspect is in custody, roughing him up is against the law. When defending the law, it's usually a good idea to follow it.

 

[Cyder]

White or black, your % chance of prosecuting cops for shooting people are very very low.

Man dies after being shot by police in northeast motel room

This was a white guy in my city with a heroin problem who was having a bad trip and didn't put down the syringe he was holding, so a cop emptied his gun into him. Not guilty.

But my difficulty with what you posted is that the guy being FAT has absolutely NO bearing on whether the cops should or should not have escalated his situation.

If it makes any difference, I don't see this as NECESSARILY a black v. white issue, to me it's more a class issue. In Canada, it's natives who are disproportionately shot and killed by cops.

The point that people in this thread are missing is that we SHOULD expect a higher threshold for the behavior of law enforcement. We SHOULD expect our children to feel safe going to a cop, instead of feeling afraid OF the cops.

Someone posted waaaay upthread about how low these incidents are in Boston, because of community policing initiatives.

There's TONS of improvements that can and should be made.

Saying that there's NO problem is just as ridiculous as those saying that ALL cops are bad.

You're denying that there's a problem. That's ridiculous. You want to argue that people are taking the wrong tack in addressing it? That's a reasonable discussion to have. But saying there's NO problem is absurd.

I'm not saying there is no problem, I'm saying the racial aspect of it put forward by BLM is bullshit.

I was listing his health issues because they were listed as factors in the coroners report. Police also tend to avoid using a taser with overweight folks as they've been known to cause heart attacks with overweight folks so him or anyone else being fat could alter how the arrest is made.

The cops told him he was under arrest and he said straight out he wasn't going to allow that. Find the video of him talking prior to the actual take down. Should the cops have just said "ok, nevermind". I wish I knew that was an option in my knucklehead days.

 

[Cyder]

Race is not necessarily the point here; it's terrible cops that need to be off the force. However, try to find examples of these things happening to white people. They must be out there, but there seems to be many more against a small minority of the country. Do you think this idiot cop shoots this man if he were a similarly flabby white guy? The inate fear of colored people in these examples is a form of racism.

50% of the 990 people the cops shot last year were white (26% black I believe) so it does happen. When about 5% of the country (Black males 14-34) are responsible of about 1/2 the violent crime the fear is not really racism for cops, it's self preservation.
That being said, you're right about there being terrible cops out there. Some we don't even know are bad until they're in a tense situation. The military has spend decades trying to find ways to determine who will be able to handle the most stressful situations and have gotten no where so I'm not sure how we can figure it out with cops.

 

[Cyder]

There is something to 'driving while black though.' Up here it's natives. I have a friend who is native, and is a high school teacher. He's repeatedly had cops called on him, because employees of places like hotels assume he's a drunk or up to no good, and call police. Needless to say he's had some jaw-dropping interactions with the cops when they arrive.

Thankfully for him they don't shoot on sight, but it usually takes a LOOONG conversation and showing of his teacher ID to not get thrown out of places.

As a white guy, that's something that never even crosses my mind. If I'm in a mall or hotel, people don't assume the worst of me.

And AGAIN, we can admit there's a problem AND also admit that all cops aren't bad (and that even most cops are good).

Again, the bad apples spoil the barrel. We need to expect more of law enforcement.

That actually can go both ways. When I worked in the South Bronx I got pulled over all the time after dropping co workers off at the subway stop. The subway stop was near some shady areas (Hunts Point is a known prostitution area) and the cops saw a white guy in a black neighborhood and just assumed I was up to no good. The same happened when I would go to Bushwick, Brooklyn but in those cases the cops were usually right as I was buying "herbal substances"

 

[_phiLLies_]

Again, we're talking about incidents where the cops were quite clearly in the wrong. The kid with the pellet gun was driven up on and shot immediately. The guy laying on the ground with his extremities extended was still shot. A driver was shot 4 times for reaching for his license. A guy was choked to death on the concrete after being subdued (he was struggling because he couldn't breathe). People are running away because they fear for their lives.

I would guess those odds may be pretty high if you're white. If you're a person of color, not so much.

clearly in the wrong? according to..? not a court of law in most cases.

no punk, especially some fat fuck who has already broken the law many many times, is going to tell a police officer what to do.

if i'm a cop and i tell you to place your hands behind your back, and you tell me "no" .. i'm quickly repeating myself.. "this is the last warning, put your hands behind your back." if it's not done instantly, the stick is coming out and i'm whacking the back of your leg so hard, you're hitting the ground crying.

that's the problem with idiots today. they think it's a game, they think they have a say in the matter. regardless of how much you hate cops or you didn't do anything wrong, they are still the authority figure that give the orders. there is no compromise, no dealing. you do what they say, and then you move on.

some of these shooting/beatings are horrible. whether it's bad cops, inexperienced cops, whatever.. it shouldn't happen. but it happens to EVERYONE, not just black people. lumping all these cases together, where only a handful are legitimately wrong, is just foolish and why things are never accomplished.

ferguson, the fat blob in ny, the kid pointing the toy gun at people.. you play with fire, you get burned. don't blame THAT crap on the cops.

 

[Broncos6482]

Again, we're talking about incidents where the cops were quite clearly in the wrong. The kid with the pellet gun was driven up on and shot immediately. The guy laying on the ground with his extremities extended was still shot. A driver was shot 4 times for reaching for his license. A guy was choked to death on the concrete after being subdued (he was struggling because he couldn't breathe). People are running away because they fear for their lives.

I would guess those odds may be pretty high if you're white. If you're a person of color, not so much.

This narrative is false and needs to die.

No racial bias in police shootings, study by Harvard professor shows