so, what does northwestern becoming unionized mean?

[ralphiewvu]

It means Pat Fitzgerald could be looking for a new HC job. Here's to hoping its my team.

 

[uncfan103]

It makes sense for the players if what they're actually fighting for what they say they are. The NCAA doesn't pay for their medical bills if they tear their ACL or something. It also sucks for athletes that are in school for three years and lose their scholarship because of an injury. Think about kids that have one year left at a school like Northwestern but they can't finish because it'd cost $65,000+. They can transfer for their senior year to a school that won't get them the degree they've been working towards for three years.

 

[BigAppleBadger]

It means they'll need 3 players to stand around and watch for every 1 that's actually doing something.

 

[BlackSand]

Then they can start negotiating worker's compensation claims services for student athletes.
Blow your knee out on the field in your senior year ... Lifetime comp benefits because you never made it to the NFL.


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[4down20]

It means they'll need 3 players to stand around and watch for every 1 that's actually doing something.

I thought that's what coaches were for?

 

[RegentDenali]

If the Big10 has any balls, they would give Northwestern the same treatment WallMart did Quebec frenchie communists in 2005 when they tried to unionize.

 

[WNY_FOOTBALL_DUDE]

The ruling means NW athletes can unionize and demand they get better benefits. That's basically it. Many of them feel colleges mistreat them and give them benefits equal to a minimum wage job.

They are deemed employees because they are making money for private colleges, and therefore, deserve to have a say.

 

[Codaxx]

The ruling means NW athletes can unionize and demand they get better benefits. That's basically it. Many of them feel colleges mistreat them and give them benefits equal to a minimum wage job.

They are deemed employees because they are making money for private colleges, and therefore, deserve to have a say.

This is a mess. First off, I think the fact that athletes do not get workers comp is wrong. That is the single biggest issue for me. Taxation is actually a much bigger issue than people realize. Room and board at USC is 62K (USC Financial Aid - Applying & Receiving Financial Aid - Undergraduate - Costs). At TExas it is ~37k (Cost of Attending | Be a Longhorn). Think of the cost to a kid. Costs him 11-12k in federal taxes to go to USC. Cost ~5k to go to TExas. Now that is federal taxes only. Will this be a huge detriment to out of state recruiting? Will this "price" USC out of the market for many kids? Will this give state schools with no in-state tax an advantage?

 

[Codaxx]

For the West Coast boys. IF a poor kid from Compton gets offers from USC and UCLA. He will have to pay more than 6k extra to go to USC. Think about that.

 

[cane_man]

For the West Coast boys. IF a poor kid from Compton gets offers from USC and UCLA. He will have to pay more than 6k extra to go to USC. Think about that.

The fed would have to change the tax code first, so no.

As far as northwestern, their little union will have zero bargaining power with the ncaa or big 10. College teams are not franchises. So, unless the union can force northwestern out of DI and the big the schools policies will have to stay in line with the policies of those organization.

 

[Codaxx]

The fed would have to change the tax code first, so no.

As far as northwestern, their little union will have zero bargaining power with the ncaa or big 10. College teams are not franchises. So, unless the union can force northwestern out of DI and the big the schools policies will have to stay in line with the policies of those organization.

Perhaps I am missing something. What in the tax code needs to be changed if this is now classified as income as many have suggested? ( I honestly jsut took this at face value and havent looked into it).

 

[TexasExes98]

Heard an interview on the radio with some legal expert, they said essentially they would have to pay taxes on any compensation above tuition.

And if it ever came to it, they could probably be 'paid' for mandatory actives outside the classroom, ie practice, training, games, public appearances, etc and thus would have a negotiated rate per hour, and then would be responsible for taxes on that money.

Ok, so that would probably be minimum wage since these kids only have a high school diploma. LOL, they just fucked themselves b/c the taxes they will be paying on that schollie will outweigh their total earnings. I haven't met many kids between the ages of 18-21 making bank with just a high school diploma.

 

[RegentDenali]

STANFORD, Calif. -- Stanford coach David Shaw is questioning what's behind the union movement by Northwestern football players, saying everything they are asking for is already being provided by most universities.

Shaw said following Stanford's spring practice Monday night that he's "curious what's really driving" the union. He said his players are given an athletic scholarship worth about $60,000 annually and have never had to pay for a health care service.

"I'm as confused as anybody as to the importance of this," Shaw said. "I'm curious what's really driving it. I've seen everything, and everything that's been asked for, my understanding is it's been provided.

 

[cane_man]

Schollies are not considered taxable income according to US tax code. The irs could syep in and tell nw that they cant hide their salary in an untaxable package if they are indeed employees. Not sure they would. University employees usually qualify for free education for themselves and their children (was that way at miami anyway) and those grants were not taxed. However, they also had taxable income.

If this spreads to other private schools the irs may want to close that loophole. They dont like npt collecting taxes from employees, particularly those earning way above the poverty level.

 

[Codaxx]

Schollies are not considered taxable income according to US tax code. The irs could syep in and tell nw that they cant hide their salary in an untaxable package if they are indeed employees. Not sure they would. University employees usually qualify for free education for themselves and their children (was that way at miami anyway) and those grants were not taxed. However, they also had taxable income.

If this spreads to other private schools the irs may want to close that loophole. They dont like npt collecting taxes from employees, particularly those earning way above the poverty level.

thanks.

 

[TexasExes98]

STANFORD, Calif. -- Stanford coach David Shaw is questioning what's behind the union movement by Northwestern football players, saying everything they are asking for is already being provided by most universities.

Shaw said following Stanford's spring practice Monday night that he's "curious what's really driving" the union. He said his players are given an athletic scholarship worth about $60,000 annually and have never had to pay for a health care service.

"I'm as confused as anybody as to the importance of this," Shaw said. "I'm curious what's really driving it. I've seen everything, and everything that's been asked for, my understanding is it's been provided.

THIS ^^^^^^ I thought all of what they're bitching about is already covered. Now, if they're talking about automatically being covered 10 something years down the road b/c of lingering injuries, well, tough shit. They can pay out of pocket with their health insurance plan when they hook up with a company out of college. It's no different than regular students paying off their student loans over the next 10-15 years.

 

[wiskyisgood12]

Who knows... but my guess is it won't have one POSITIVE impact on the program.

Unions were started for very good a century ago to protect lives (literally). Whether that was deadly or unhealthy work conditions, child labor, borderline slavery, etc. They weren't started to extort the system as they are being used for today for the most part.

So, as a NW grad... I am actually embarrassed.

I wonder how many NW grads thoughts are congruent with yours. It seems like a lot of others are proud.

As for what it means now in the short term, every aspect of being a Northwestern football player could be taxed if they do unionize. I've thought this for a while now, I firmly believe that no college athlete wants to unionize, it's simply a mechanism to speed up changes to the NCAA.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

I would hope ALL student/athletes support ALL students use of ANY facility built on a any given campus.

Time for "equal access for ALL".


That's my story here and I'm sticking to it.

 

[cane_man]

I would hope ALL student/athletes support ALL students use of ANY facility built on a any given campus.

Time for "equal access for ALL".


That's my story here and I'm sticking to it.

Me too. The nicest work out area on miamis campus banned fb players from using it due to its megadonor making that a requirement. Im guessing a fb player bitch slapped him just before walking off with his girl. Not sure how much all of that has changed.

 

[cane_man]

I wonder how many NW grads thoughts are congruent with yours. It seems like a lot of others are proud.

As for what it means now in the short term, every aspect of being a Northwestern football player could be taxed if they do unionize. I've thought this for a while now, I firmly believe that no college athlete wants to unionize, it's simply a mechanism to speed up changes to the NCAA.

Grab some aspirin and booze...


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