Rams 2017 free agency talk

[Battlelyon]

 

[SJ76]

Yeah, the two options mentioned have either been moved to RT or G by their current teams. Doesn't make me very enthusiastic. Matt Kalil is also a UFA, but can't imagine the Vikes will let him go. He's coming off his 5th year option just like Reiff and made $11M last year.

Vikings don't have a 1st rounder I believe so no way they let Kalil walk.

 

[shopson67]

Vikings don't have a 1st rounder I believe so no way they let Kalil walk.

Very true...

 

[27mtrcougar]

Very true...

I won't be surprised if they let him walk. He had hip surgery this year but he has been a major disappointment for a top 10 pick. Not just this year but since he was drafted.

 

[shopson67]

I won't be surprised if they let him walk. He had hip surgery this year but he has been a major disappointment for a top 10 pick. Not just this year but since he was drafted.

Tough to let someone walk without a replacement though. This incoming LT crop is pretty thin, getting someone better than Kalil in the mid 2nd or later is going to take some serious luck.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Tough to let someone walk without a replacement though. This incoming LT crop is pretty thin, getting someone better than Kalil in the mid 2nd or later is going to take some serious luck.

I'm thinking they will only if they can't land another FA OT. He shouldn't be the first choice. Shouldn't be the Rams first choice either.

 

[shopson67]

I'm thinking they will only if they can't land another FA OT. He shouldn't be the first choice. Shouldn't be the Rams first choice either.

The other choices are guys that their current teams are moving to RT and G. I fully expect the Vikings to retain him.

 

[27mtrcougar]

The other choices are guys that their current teams are moving to RT and G. I fully expect the Vikings to retain him.

What about Whitworth? He is by far the best LT available. I don't care he is 35. he showed no sign of slowing down. He was ranked the 2nd best OT by PFF in 2016. I would have no problem giving him a 3 year 10m a year deal.

 

[shopson67]

What about Whitworth? He is by far the best LT available. I don't care he is 35. he showed no sign of slowing down. He was ranked the 2nd best OT by PFF in 2016. I would have no problem giving him a 3 year 10m a year deal.

Bengals could try Andrew Whitworth at guard for final two games of the season

 

[Retroram52]

Whitworth is at the end of his career just like Jake Long was. Going after another vet like that is simply chasing fools gold. Ya never know, Tomer, the new OL coach may get Robinson to adjust his attitude when they move him inside at guard, plug in another bridge LT until we can get a legit blue chipper in the draft next year, and then move along.

 

[Vitamike]

Whitworth is at the end of his career just like Jake Long was.

If we are using age as a determining factor, it's using hindsight referring to Jake's career ending at age 28, the age he signed the deal with the Rams. (He's 31 now) but still the point is valid, 35 years old is not the time in ones career, to be giving out multi year deals, and I don't see him signing with any other team unless it's a multi year deal, especially the Rams.

Even a two year deal puts a 37 year old at Left Tackle.

I say no dice!

 

[27mtrcougar]

Bengals could try Andrew Whitworth at guard for final two games of the season

If we are using age as a determining factor, it's using hindsight referring to Jake's career ending at age 28, the age he signed the deal with the Rams. (He's 31 now) but still the point is valid, 35 years old is not the time in ones career, to be giving out multi year deals, and I don't see him signing with any other team unless it's a multi year deal, especially the Rams.

Even a two year deal puts a 37 year old at Left Tackle.

I say no dice!

I don't know.. Like I said he was an absolute stud last year. If he dropped off 50% he would still be way better then Grob. I don't think he has been injury prone like Long. Ill take the bet that someone will give him a multi year deal.

 

[Vitamike]

I don't know.. Like I said he was an absolute stud last year. If he dropped off 50% he would still be way better then Grob. I don't think he has been injury prone like Long. Ill take the bet that someone will give him a multi year deal.

Jake was not injury prone in Miami, he had a 61 game starting streak during his time there. He did have some back trouble in 2011 and a torn bicep that put him on IR the following season before he signed with the Rams in March of 2013.

And that speaks to the point I was making about the age factor. At age 35 if this dude gets injured, he probably retires, we get stuck with his dead money and no LT.

Shopson has it right, if we could sign him for 1 year, it could work, but I doubt he signs with the Rams for just one year unless it's one hell of a contract!

 

[icefreeze57]

The big question is, what do we do with Robinson?

 

[shopson67]

The big question is, what do we do with Robinson?

Move inside to guard, where he started his rookie season.

 

[Rambunctious]

I don't know.. Like I said he was an absolute stud last year. If he dropped off 50% he would still be way better then Grob. I don't think he has been injury prone like Long. Ill take the bet that someone will give him a multi year deal.

Wisdom counters youth.....especially in the trenches.

 

[Vitamike]

Wisdom counters youth.....especially in the trenches.

The best ability is availability.....health trumps all especially in the trenches.

Simple fact is, the older these tenured Vets get, the more likely the beating they've taken over the years adds up to missed games, the IR, or retirement.

All 35 year old players, placed on the IR, will strongly consider retirement as their best option. Most 25 year old players, in the same scenario, will do all they can to get back in the trenches ASAP!

 

[shopson67]

Whitworth is worth a shot on a one or two year deal max, but how much will it take to get him to LA?

 

[Vitamike]

Whitworth is worth a shot on a one or two year deal max, but how much will it take to get him to LA?

I believe we would definitely need to overpay him to get him to come to LA on a one year deal, maybe not so much with a two year deal.

 

[Vitamike]

Agent's Take: 2017 NFL offseason key dates and what they mean for your team

Economic decisions are going to dominate the spotlight now that all NFL teams are in the offseason after Super Bowl LI produced the first overtime game in Super Bowl history. The Patriots made the greatest Super Bowl comeback ever, erasing a 28-3 deficit to beat the Falcons 34-28.

Decisions made in the early part of the offseason can have long-lasting ramifications for teams. Here's a look at key offseason dates running through the first week of the 2017 league year, which begins on March 9.

Some dates have league-wide importance. Other dates can potentially affect specific player contracts and the salary cap of individual teams because they are crucial to the timing of contract restructures, pay cuts and players being released. Notable players have been highlighted on the appropriate date with how the event is specified in their respective contracts.

February 6
The wavier system begins for 2017. Players with fewer than four years of service for benefit purposes are subject to waivers and their contracts can be claimed by other teams. Players with four or more years of service become free agents when released and can be immediately signed.

February 7
Second day of waiver period

$11 million of Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers' $14 million 2017 base salary, which was guaranteed for injury at signing, becomes fully guaranteed.

February 8
Third day of waiver period

1. Browns linebacker Jamie Collins' $4.75 million 2017 base salary, $6 million third day of the 2017 league year roster bonus and $10.65 million 2018 base salary are fully guaranteed. Each was guaranteed for injury when Collins received his four-year, $50 million deal last month.

2. Raiders wide receiver Michael Crabtree's $6.25 million 2017 base salary is fully guaranteed. It was guaranteed for injury at signing.

3. Raiders punter Marquette King's $2.4 million 2017 base salary is fully guaranteed. His base salary was guaranteed for injury at signing.

4. Buccaneers linebacker Lavonte David's $6 million 2017 base salary is fully guaranteed. It was guaranteed for injury when David signed his deal.

5. $4 million of Browns cornerback Joe Haden's $11.1 million 2017 base salary, which was guaranteed for injury at signing, becomes fully guaranteed.

February 10
Fifth day of waiver period; five days after 2016 league year Super Bowl

1. Cardinals wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald's $11 million base salary is fully guaranteed. It was guaranteed for injury at signing.

2. Cardinals quarterback Carson Palmer's $15.5 million 2017 base salary, which was guaranteed for injury at signing, becomes fully guaranteed.

3. Falcons cornerback Robert Alford's $9 million 2018 base salary, which was guaranteed for injury when he signed a contract extension in December, is fully guaranteed.

4. The period for the Broncos to pick up their option on offensive tackle Russell Okung's contract for an additional four years worth $48 million begins. The deadline is the one day before the start of the 2017 league year, which is March 8.

The Broncos will soon have to decide whether to pick up Okung's option. USATSI

5. Jets quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick's 2017 contract voids to make him an unrestricted free agent when the 2017 league year starts on March 9. There will be a $5 million salary cap charge for the Jets because of the bonus proration from Fitzpatrick's 2017 contract year.

6. Redskins wide receiver DeSean Jackson's 2017 contract year voids. Jackson becomes an unrestricted free agent at the start of the 2017 league year. The Redskins will have a $1.25 million salary cap charge from the bonus proration relating to Jackson's 2017 contract year.

7. $3 million of Jaguars tight end Julius Thomas' $7 million 2017 base salary is fully guaranteed. The $3 million was guaranteed for injury at signing.

8. Broncos wide receiver Demaryius Thomas' $8.5 million 2017 base salary, which was guaranteed for injury at signing, becomes fully guaranteed without an offset.

February 11

Sixth day of waiver period

The entire 2017 base salaries of several Seahawks become fully guaranteed: quarterback Russell Wilson ($12.6 million), cornerback Richard Sherman ($11.431 million), wide receiver Doug Baldwin ($7.75 million), linebacker Bobby Wagner ($4 million) and cornerback Jeremy Lane ($4 million). Defensive end Michael Bennett's $6.5 million 2017 base salary also becomes fully guaranteed. It will reduce to $6 million if the Seahawks commit to making the necessary $500,000 payment to exercise an option for Bennett's 2020 contract year. This can be done as early as the first day of the 2017 league year but no later than the fifth day (March 13). All of these respective salaries of the players were guaranteed for injury at signing.

February 14
23rd day before the start of the 2017 league year

Cowboys cornerback Brandon Carr's 2017 contract voids so he becomes an unrestricted free agent when the 2017 league year starts. There will be a $2.717 million salary cap charge for the Cowboys because of the bonus proration from Carr's 2017 contract year.

February 15
22rd day before the start of the 2017 league year

1. The two-week period where teams can designate franchise or transition players begins. Chiefs safety Eric Berry, Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins, Cardinals linebacker Chandler Jones and Panthers defensive tackle Kawann Short are among the players most likely to be franchised. Berry and Cousins were franchised in 2016. Second franchise tags on Berry and Cousins provide for a 120 percent increase over their 2016 numbers. Berry's would be $12,967,200, and Cousins' would be $23,943,600. Jones and Short's franchise tag numbers should be $14.754 million and $13.468 million, respectively, if the 2017 salary cap is set at $168 million.

Will Cousins get tagged again? USATSI

2. This is the deadline for the Jaguars to exercise an option in offensive tackle Kelvin Beachum's contract. A $5 million payment is required to pick up Beachum's 2017-20 contract years for $40 million (maximum value of $43.75 million through salary escalators). Beachum's 2017 and 2018 base salaries for $7.5 million and $8.5 million are fully guaranteed if the option is exercised.

3. This is the last day for the Jets to pick up an option for offensive tackle Ryan Clady's 2017 contract year containing a $10 million base salary.