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This is Heisman trophy winner Johnny 'The jet' Rodgers punt return against Oklahoma in 1971.

Sooner fans like to claim there was a clip at :14.

Other Sooner fans claim that the blocks at :10, AND the block at :14 were clips and that they are "obvious".

They can't be clips because a clip is from behind, below the waist, and to the back of the legs.
Clip - "Throwing the body across the back of the leg of an eligible receiver or charging or falling into the back of an opponent below the waist after approaching him from behind"

The real question is were they blocks in the back?

Block in the back - An action in which a blocker contacts a non-ball carrying member of the opposing team from behind and above the waist. The foul is called when the area blocked is from outside of the location of the shoulder pads"

My contention is that at :10 the defender is not only out of position (facing the wrong direction) to make the play, he turns at the last second and was blocked into Rodgers who broke the tackle anyway. The rule is you can't turn at the last second which causes someone to hit you in the back. He was more hit in the side anyway. i.e. Not "outside of the shoulder pad"

At the :14 mark. The blocker (34 yd line) was clearly in front of the defender (41 yd line). In the next frame the blocker (at the 39) is still in front of the defender (at the 40) then blocks him in the side. Not "outside of the shoulder pad"

 

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:10

1. Defender out of position and facing away from Rodgers.

2. Defender turning.

3. Defender blocked within the shoulder pad.

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

Clipping, chop block, and block below the waist are all 3 separate fouls aren't they?

Anyways, that block right there was clearly made on the inside of the left shoulder pad.

Text book.

 

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:14

1. Defender at 37, blocker at 34

2. Defender at 36, blocker at 34

3. Defender at 35, blocker at 34

4. Block in the side.

 

[Bamabino]

43 years later and Looner fans are still crying over 2 legal blocks. GO BIG RED!

 

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BTW: There were NO flags thrown on the play.

 

[BTHOtu]

I'm 41. This is a little bit before my time.

 

[MarkOU]

Hmm first time ever in my 37 years have I heard of this.

 

[Red_Alert]

LOL

I've been looking at it frame-by-frame. At :14, the OU defender is in the process of making a last ditch dive for Rodgers legs right before the blocker gets there. It's questionable whether the blocker even makes contact.

 

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Hmm first time ever in my 37 years have I heard of this.

I've heard it on occasion.

Goldbug, Wheat, and outofyourmind all claim clips.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/5304210-post43.html

And Everett Marshall was clipped on that play just as he was about to grab Rogers. It should have never been called a touchdown. Would you have gone on to score anyway? Maybe. And the fumble that Steve Aycock recovered at the 10 yard line on your final scoring drive? Even the Nebraska players thought OU had recovered it. Those were two plays that went against Oklahoma that cost us a NC. Oh well, if it had to happen I'm glad it happened against Nebraska. The Nebraska fans were really classy after the game (no surprise) when they admitted the fumble was a bad call. Both schools have such respect for each other there are no hard feelings. The fans are who have suffered the most since OU and NU can't hook it up every year. Here's to hoping we meet again soon in another NC game.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/5304704-post48.html

It happened at the OU 33 yard line. Everett Marshall was one of the fastest, if not THE fastest players ever at Oklahoma. He had Deion Sanders speed. Extremely fast. He was catching Rogers like JR was pulling a U-Haul and we all know how fast Johnny Rogers was. Anyway, Everett was clipped. There was no replay at that time so the non-call stood. That's football. Marshall would have pulled Rogers down somewhere around the 25 and who knows what would have happened if he had caught him? The really bad call was the fumble that Steve Aycock recovered on the OU 10 on Nebraska's last drive. That was horrid. Then OU had one last chance after Nebraska scored to go ahead 35-31 and Jack Mildren over threw Jon Harrison by a couple of inches when he was behind the Nebraska defender wide open in the middle of the field. That one was on the OU coaching staff. Harrison and Mildren were both from Abilene Cooper and were allowed to stay on the field together even when Willie Franklin (who was 6" taller and played for the Colts when Harrison never played pro ball) wasn't on the field on that play. The OU players always said Willie would have easily caught that pass and the Sooners would have won the game. Missed calls, great plays, bad decisions, two outstanding teams; that game had it all. Let's hope our upcoming home and home series is just as good. Go Big Red. Northern style and Southern style.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/5304866-post49.html

yep, the crowd was pissed because the refs missed 2 obvious clips on that return. I was there and one of the pissed off people, LOL!~

but Nebbish fans did turn out in force for that game, no doubt.

oh ya, fuck Johnny Rogers....

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/5305212-post60.html

Kinda like those clips they never called in '71.

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

Now, you wanna see some real horseshit?

Cue the FSU/NEB game in the 93 Orange Bowl.

We got flagged for a clipping when literally nobody from either team even made contact on the return.

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

The refs made me cry......and I was only 7 years old!

 

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Unless Everett Marshall changed #'s for that game, that couldn't have been him being blocked at :14.

The number on that players jersey ends in a 2 (like 52)

Everett Marshall was #80 in 1969 and #24 in 1970 and 1971.

Per the OU website.

Everett Marshall - SoonerStats.com - Oklahoma Sooners Football, Basketball, Baseball, and Softball Scores, Records, and Stats

 

[MarkOU]

So they made some comments about it in thread that asked you to talk about a moment.




I think a better thread would be 'Remember the 90s'.

Nebraska fans do, it's the last time they won a conference championship.

 

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So they made some comments about it in thread that asked you to talk about a moment.




I think a better thread would be 'Remember the 90s'.

Nebraska fans do, it's the last time they won a conference championship.

Are they clips or illegal blocks?

 

[Codaxx]

I think this one is beyond the statute of limitations. Under section 4.2 in the bylaws of The SportsHoopla it clearly state one can not bitch about a play that occurred prior to the birth of 85% of SportsHoopla posters. If one does the thread should be shut down and the offending party shall be referred to as a whiney bitch for the next 12 months

 

[4down20]

The one at :10 I can only guess is being claimed because the runner went behind the defender of the block, but that is just because he cut. Even as the defender was turning and moving it was a side hit and momentum wise I don't see how that is a bad block.

2nd block he hit him in the chest. I bet that hurt, but not a bad block.

 

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I think this one is beyond the statute of limitations. Under section 4.2 in the bylaws of The SportsHoopla it clearly state one can not bitch about a play that occurred prior to the birth of 85% of SportsHoopla posters. If one does the thread should be shut down and the offending party shall be referred to as a whiney bitch for the next 12 months

So let me get this right.

The Sooners, (the ones doing the bitching in the other thread because no flags were thrown), should be referred to as whiney bitches for the next 12 months?

Kinda harsh, charlie.

 

[Codaxx]

So let me get this right.

The Sooners, (the ones doing the bitching in the other thread because no flags were thrown), should be referred to as whiney bitches for the next 12 months?

Kinda harsh, charlie.

It's Coda , but seriously this game was 43 years ago. Let it go. Luckily the season is not far away

 

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It's Coda , but seriously this game was 43 years ago. Let it go. Luckily the season is not far away

Let what go?

That I posted the video in the...

"One Single Moment; One Single Play" thread?

"What single play is etched in your memory forever as the best you have seen (yet) for your beloved team?"



That was the play.

The Sooner fans felt the need to bitch about "obvious" clipping, it shouldn't have been a TD, they should have won the game", etc.

There were no flags on the play. Maybe they need to let it go, eh?