politics thread

[Stymietee]

Well, I don’t really post job numbers...I prefer the job participation rate.

I also think the economy is far more than any single graphic.

Someone posted a "fact???" about Trump's job numbers being better than Obama's, I just wanted to refute that and did!

Oh BTW, speaking about a certain participation rate there's this:

 

[Stymietee]

 

[Stymietee]

i can distinguish the MSM quite easily your source being an MSM source

OK, if that were true, wouldn't you stop using the "MSM" punchline as if you don't get your news from them just as everyone else does? Clearly you watch one of either FOX's or Sinclair's stations whether it's an NBC, CBS, ABC, or Fox affiliated one. Almost everyone in the country does this!

 

[Stymietee]

nothing misleading about it . no one will do a job for less then legal wage and the market sets the wage .

NOT true, the reason they can and do hire migrant workers is because it's "off the books" money. There's no overhead related to benefits associated with this activity and because it's subject to the particular owner, NO uniformity similar to what a minimum wage would bring.

If there was ever a desire to change this, Federal, State and Local authorities would fine and truly enforce a minimum $ $15,080 per person penalty for working illegally, and an associated prison term.

That $15,080 comes from the annuitized minimum wage.

 

[Stymietee]

the hypocrisy of liberals astounds me sometimes .

Respecting the flag was Pooh poohed when nfl players protest it . It isn’t a symbol they say and they have the right to do it they say again . (Which they do by the way) you can disrespect it because it isn’t really a symbol , it’s just a flag

But lord help them if the flag isn’t lowered to half staff if a war vet (McCain ) passes away .

Then it’s a symbol and it’s being disrespected

There's no disrespect to the flag when kneeling. That's YOUR opinion!

I find it critically ignorant when stadiums filled with people who are milling around, making purchases, sitting and doing other things while the Anthem plays, will then BOO, and show their displeasure at players taking a knee in that same moment.

Well, since we're going to keep up the charade regarding disrespect to the flag. I find it disrespectful of all of those fans who BOO the flag and anthem when it's presented/playing. See how I did that??

 

[Stymietee]

Police, fire, and the military have a socialist aspect, but they are required for the actual tax payers regardless of who is paying.

Farm subsidies and corporate welfare are wrong.

Every time, every economic system has been tried, there have been recessions, collapses, and in some cases recoveries.

Now specifically to the tax cuts, they are in general a good thing. I perfectly understand human nature and how trickle down isn’t perfect...but it is the most fair system out there...Short of actual fair taxation.

I can say this...socialism of some sort has never worked and has been responsible for every true economic collapse in history...our system has been the greatest the world has ever seen.

Good to know that Police, Fire, and our military are all doomed to fail, because these entities don't merely have a socialist aspect, as you've recharacterized them. They simply could not exist because they were created on a socialistic model.

The farm subsidies have been going on since the 1930's yet no one rails at this.

In as much as corporate welfare is concerned, I don't get the joke man! I thought that you said the tax cut was a good thing? Please clarify, thanks!

 

[gkekoa]

Good to know that Police, Fire, and our military are all doomed to fail, because these entities don't merely have a socialist aspect, as you've recharacterized them. They simply could not exist because they were created on a socialistic model.

The farm subsidies have been going on since the 1930's yet no one rails at this.

In as much as corporate welfare is concerned, I don't get the joke man! I thought that you said the tax cut was a good thing? Please clarify, thanks!

They were created before there were taxes.

I have always said subsidies are bad. I understand them but they help choose winners and losers.

Corporate welfare and tax cuts are not the same thing. Tax cuts make sense to make us competitive worldwide.

 

[gkekoa]

NOT true, the reason they can and do hire migrant workers is because it's "off the books" money. There's no overhead related to benefits associated with this activity and because it's subject to the particular owner, NO uniformity similar to what a minimum wage would bring.

If there was ever a desire to change this, Federal, State and Local authorities would fine and truly enforce a minimum $ $15,080 per person penalty for working illegally, and an associated prison term.

That $15,080 comes from the annuitized minimum wage.

I prefer a fine of your entire business’ value...then going after them for aiding and abetting.

 

[Stymietee]

I know that many of you won't want to read this, but, if you are concerned about your money, this is a must read.

What Will The Trump Tax Cuts Mean For Your Wallet? - Forbes
https://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonynitti/2017/07/13/what-will-the...

 

[Stymietee]

They were created before there were taxes.

I have always said subsidies are bad. I understand them but they help choose winners and losers.

Corporate welfare and tax cuts are not the same thing. Tax cuts make sense to make us competitive worldwide.

So they were built on the model, just, before there were taxes? Huh?

Alexander Hamilton built our economic system on debt, that's why it's a good thing. This debt in theory, had to be somehow repaid or in actuality, consistently offered a pay out on the interest on the outstanding international debts, and domestically states and individuals would get very nice return from newly established Federal Bonds centered in a newly established National Bank. He then set up an "Assumption" plan to take on the various States debt. This was done in order to keep the market in an continuous cycle and economies from crashing/failing. It is also the exact same way this current economy works. (That's an abbreviated retelling or you can look it up.)

The first centralized municipal police department first emerged in the United States during the 1830's.

The United States did not have government-run fire departments until around the time of the Civil War. Prior to this time, private fire brigades competed with one another to be the first to respond to a fire because insurance companies paid for their services.

Congress Officially Created the U.S. Military September 29, 1789.

Just post anything, ole Sty is not going to research it! Sike!!

 

[Stymietee]

I prefer a fine of your entire business’ value...then going after them for aiding and abetting.

Works for me!

 

[Stymietee]

www.cato.org[/URL][/B]/research/corporate-welfare

If you don't like them how about this one?

Corporate Welfare Programs
www.welfareinfo.org/corporate

 

[Skins2021]

Would you guys nut already, the circle jerk is getting out of hand.

hahahaha end thread

 

[gkekoa]

So they were built on the model, just, before there were taxes? Huh?

Alexander Hamilton built our economic system on debt, that's why it's a good thing. This debt in theory, had to be somehow repaid or in actuality, consistently offered a pay out on the interest on the outstanding international debts, and domestically states and individuals would get very nice return from newly established Federal Bonds centered in a newly established National Bank. He then set up an "Assumption" plan to take on the various States debt. This was done in order to keep the market in an continuous cycle and economies from crashing/failing. It is also the exact same way this current economy works. (That's an abbreviated retelling or you can look it up.)

The first centralized municipal police department first emerged in the United States during the 1830's.

The United States did not have government-run fire departments until around the time of the Civil War. Prior to this time, private fire brigades competed with one another to be the first to respond to a fire because insurance companies paid for their services.

Congress Officially Created the U.S. Military September 29, 1789.

Just post anything, ole Sty is not going to research it! Sike!!

Except except that isn’t socialism.

And taxes were passed in 1913...except for extreme instances there were no taxes.

 

[skinsdad62]

There's no disrespect to the flag when kneeling. That's YOUR opinion!

I find it critically ignorant when stadiums filled with people who are milling around, making purchases, sitting and doing other things while the Anthem plays, will then BOO, and show their displeasure at players taking a knee in that same moment.

Well, since we're going to keep up the charade regarding disrespect to the flag. I find it disrespectful of all of those fans who BOO the flag and anthem when it's presented/playing. See how I did that??

a lot of people agree with me

 

[skinsdad62]

I know that many of you won't want to read this, but, if you are concerned about your money, this is a must read.

What Will The Trump Tax Cuts Mean For Your Wallet? - Forbes
https://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonynitti/2017/07/13/what-will-the...

i will go with my personal experience here

 

[skinsdad62]

“All of the contacts in Europe...reported by Christopher Steele, between people associated with the Trump campaign, have been verified.”

--Lanny Davis 4/16/18


“13 references to Mr. Cohen are false in the dossier...he has never been to Prague in his life."

--Lanny Davis 8/22/18

CNN. Refuses to correct the record . That is “ journalism “ at CNN and the MSM . Print or say something false , get people to believe it , then maybe print a retraction for a fraction of the time they hammered the falsehood in the first place

 

[skinsdad62]

In the four FISA applications I reviewed in their full, unredacted form, Bruce Ohr’s involvement with the Steele dossier was never disclosed.

DOJ/FBI had a duty to tell FISA judges that Bruce Ohr, 4th ranking Member of DOJ, was middle man between Justice Dept, Christopher Steele & Fusion GPS (where oh by the way, Bruce Ohr's wife worked!). This is on top of A LOT of other info deliberately withheld to get FISA warrant.

Now Comey knew this. Rosenstein knew this McCabe knew this , Strzok knew this and Lisa Page knew this . Yet no charges are forthcoming ?

Now to all the jackwagons who think popadopplus was enough then why throw in the lies ? Maybe because it wasnt?

Our former presidents DOJ / FBI did this crap . Spied on an opposition candidates campaign without probable cause

 

[skinsdad62]

Trump Bump: 41% of voters now say the country is headed in the right direction. That compares to the mid- to upper 20s for most weeks during 2016, President Obama's last year in office...from Rasmussen_Poll

 

[Stymietee]

Except except that isn’t socialism.

And taxes were passed in 1913...except for extreme instances there were no taxes.

Well, since you're going to keep searching for a silver lining in this fact based debate:

After the Revolutionary War government revenues had to be collected through tariffs and duties on certain items. These excise taxes were on liquor, tobacco, sugar, legal documents and so on.

The first challenge to the system came in 1794, when the Whiskey Rebellion broke out. It was basically groups of Pennsylvanian farmers angry about the tax on whiskey. Defending the right to collect their indirect taxes, Congress put down the revolt by military force.

1790s, a war with France led to a property tax. The implementation of this tax was far from perfect, so the later war of 1812 was funded by higher duties and excise taxes. It would take a Civil War to bring income tax into the country.

The American Civil War was disastrous and expensive for the nation in that massive amounts of debt were incurred waging war against itself. In order to help pay for the war, the Congress passed the Revenue Act of 1861. The tax was levied on incomes exceeding $800 and was not rescinded until 1872. This act created most of what we consider the modern tax system.

NOW here's what you're talking about:

The Constitution forbade any direct taxes that were not levied in proportion to each state's population. The Supreme Court declared a flat tax contained in the 1894 Wilson-Gorman Tariff Act unconstitutional in 1895. Although a victory for taxpayers, many people were beginning to note the damage that revenue-collecting tariffs and duties were having both on world trade and the living standards of the poor.

So the 16th Amendment was introduced in 1913 to pave the way to an income tax by removing the proportional to population clause, It was quickly followed by an income tax on people with an annual income of over $3,000. This tax touched less than 1% of Americans. Interestingly, the phrase "lawful income" was later changed to simply "income" in 1916.

So as you can see we've always had taxes, and again, before the formation of the socialist based Police, Fire and Military.