politics thread

[Sharkinva]

ok lets go step by step here , you say 50% , the figure from the pew hispanic center is gospel , so i will run with that . that leaves 50% who can be stopped at the border with a wall . Israel has a wall and a huge portion of terrorist activity has stopped .

the next step is implement e verify , that keeps illegals from being hired which should dent the other problem, overstays

but my meme didnt address that . what it did address is the lie about asylum seekers the MSM keeps pushing and how horrible it is to separate kids from their parents with fake magazine covers and pictures from the OBAMA era . the fact is you can apply for asylum in any of those areas and not be separated from your kids

i am sorry but why are we funding drug cartels , and coyotes so the can traffic children ? where is that outrage ? . why are parents let off the hook for their law breaking ways ? . they use children , most of which we cant prove are theirs , as pawns to force their way here against our laws

never mind that bill clintons passed that law , and obama and bush enforced it , its all trumps fault with the Trump derangement syndrome crowd

we dont want open borders , and Mr ramos is a KNOWN open borders advocate who is a citizen of 2 countries , ours and mexico so pardon me if i question his data

1. Israel is a HORRIBLE example as it was a refugee camp that the US and the UN decided should become a permanent settlement on some one elses land. Its a stolen country. Although I can see as to where that would appeal to the hearts of some Americans.

2. Yes its awesome there are nine points of entry where you can request asylum. I wonder how many of these criminals actually did request asylum only to be denied and figured, I guess my only option is to sneak in. But again Americans (some of us any way) would never consider this could happen. Oh no, why cant they just follow the rules?

3. Its real easy to be a huge fan of the law when it has and continues to favor you. Its easy to say there is no bias in the system when the system is biased towards people that think, act and look like you. (This is not a personal attack, just a reality that alot of folks refuse to accept.)

 

[skinsdad62]

1. Israel is a HORRIBLE example as it was a refugee camp that the US and the UN decided should become a permanent settlement on some one elses land. Its a stolen country. Although I can see as to where that would appeal to the hearts of some Americans.

2. Yes its awesome there are nine points of entry where you can request asylum. I wonder how many of these criminals actually did request asylum only to be denied and figured, I guess my only option is to sneak in. But again Americans (some of us any way) would never consider this could happen. Oh no, why cant they just follow the rules?

3. Its real easy to be a huge fan of the law when it has and continues to favor you. Its easy to say there is no bias in the system when the system is biased towards people that think, act and look like you. (This is not a personal attack, just a reality that alot of folks refuse to accept.)

it is a privilege to enter the USA not a right . the fact is in the chart i posted above far more people of color enter the USA so i am not seeing the race issue .

most asylum cases are fake anyway to the tune of 0ver 80 % according to federal statistics .

what you are advocating is open borders , with catch and release in which a mere 8% even show up for their court hearings

your israel comment is flat wrong . you have to have 100% vote in the UN in favor of a law by the permanent council members . Russia , and China were not doing any favors for the US at that time so they allowed it to happen as well .

israeli claims go back thousands of years so who stole what from who ?

and wasnt the point about the wall working not whether israel should be there ?

 

[Sharkinva]

it is a privilege to enter the USA not a right . the fact is in the chart i posted above far more people of color enter the USA so i am not seeing the race issue .

most asylum cases are fake anyway to the tune of 0ver 80 % according to federal statistics .

what you are advocating is open borders , with catch and release in which a mere 8% even show up for their court hearings

your israel comment is flat wrong . you have to have 100% vote in the UN in favor of a law by the permanent council members . Russia , and China were not doing any favors for the US at that time so they allowed it to happen as well .

israeli claims go back thousands of years so who stole what from who ?

and wasnt the point about the wall working not whether israel should be there ?

The fact that Trump is making a point to slow (stop) people of color from entering and wants to solicit more Anglo-saxons is what makes it a race issue, whether he wants to come out and say it or not.

Most people entering the country legal or illegal are not coming here to commit crimes and change America, though thats not what our President would have yo believe.

I have been told repeatedly that by right of conquest, Anglo Saxons own this land and the NAtive Americans have no claim. So why does this rule not apply to Israel.

Israel's wall has gun pits. Are we really prepared to set up gun pits and mine fields??

 

[gkekoa]

1. Israel is a HORRIBLE example as it was a refugee camp that the US and the UN decided should become a permanent settlement on some one elses land. Its a stolen country. Although I can see as to where that would appeal to the hearts of some Americans.

2. Yes its awesome there are nine points of entry where you can request asylum. I wonder how many of these criminals actually did request asylum only to be denied and figured, I guess my only option is to sneak in. But again Americans (some of us any way) would never consider this could happen. Oh no, why cant they just follow the rules?

3. Its real easy to be a huge fan of the law when it has and continues to favor you. Its easy to say there is no bias in the system when the system is biased towards people that think, act and look like you. (This is not a personal attack, just a reality that alot of folks refuse to accept.)

1- Stolen country? All countries were stolen from somebody else.

2- Doesn’t this make it worse? Excuse me America. Can we come in? No, you need to go home. Fuck you America...we don’t follow your laws.

3- Again, your only goal is to get rid of the evil white people. A reality you refuse to accept is...some people do act better than others.

 

[gkekoa]

The fact that Trump is making a point to slow (stop) people of color from entering and wants to solicit more Anglo-saxons is what makes it a race issue, whether he wants to come out and say it or not.

Most people entering the country legal or illegal are not coming here to commit crimes and change America, though thats not what our President would have yo believe.

I have been told repeatedly that by right of conquest, Anglo Saxons own this land and the NAtive Americans have no claim. So why does this rule not apply to Israel.

Israel's wall has gun pits. Are we really prepared to set up gun pits and mine fields??

Has he said bring in more whites? I will be honest. I would bring in Europeans before I bring in people south of the border. It has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with crime rates, education levels, and skills.

I would set up mine fields in a heart beat just on the south side of the wall.

 

[skinsdad62]

The fact that Trump is making a point to slow (stop) people of color from entering and wants to solicit more Anglo-saxons is what makes it a race issue, whether he wants to come out and say it or not.

Most people entering the country legal or illegal are not coming here to commit crimes and change America, though thats not what our President would have yo believe.

I have been told repeatedly that by right of conquest, Anglo Saxons own this land and the NAtive Americans have no claim. So why does this rule not apply to Israel.

Israel's wall has gun pits. Are we really prepared to set up gun pits and mine fields??

i havent seen any statement that trump wants more anglo saxons here . show me specifically where he said that . that is an assumption on your part . . not a fact but an opinion . and he hasnt said anything different then obama , HRC , schumer , pelosi bill clinton any bush has said as i have posted above

and again its about the wall they built and if it works not whether they should be there or not

and i dont care if most illegals are not here to commit crimes . why are they better then people who come here legally ?

 

[skinsdad62]

Federal Judge: The Obama Administration Aids and Abets Human Trafficking
By HANS A. VON SPAKOVSKY
December 20, 2013 2:08 PM



A federal judge in Texas has issued a searing indictment of the Obama administration’s immigration policy. He accuses the government of “completing the criminal mission” of human traffickers “who are violating the border security of the United States” and assisting a “criminal conspiracy in achieving its illegal goals.” The judge calls the administration’s behavior “dangerous and unconscionable” and says that “DHS should cease telling the citizens of the United States that it is enforcing our border security laws because it is clearly not. Even worse, it is helping those who violate these laws.”


On December 13, federal district court Judge Andrew S. Hanen of Brownsville, Texas, issued his order in U.S. v. Nava-Martinez. It described in shocking detail the malfeasance of the government. Mirtha Veronica Nava-Martinez, an admitted human trafficker and resident alien, pleaded guilty to attempting to smuggle a ten-year-old El Salvadoran girl into the U.S. This was Nava-Martinez’s second felony offense; she was convicted of food-stamp fraud in 2011. She was caught at the Brownsville & Matamoros Bridge checkpoint in Texas, after being hired by “persons unknown” to smuggle the girl into the U.S. The girl’s mother, Patricia Elizabeth Salmeron Santos, is an illegal alien living in Virginia. She had solicited the unknown smugglers to get her daughter from El Salvador to the U.S. for the agreed-upon price of $8,500.

As Judge Hanen pointed out, the human-trafficking conspiracy instigated by Salmeron Santos was interrupted when Nava-Martinez was arrested, but the “goal of the conspiracy was successfully completed thanks to the actions of the United States.” Hanen expressed grave concern over the “apparent policy of [DHS] of completing the criminal mission of individuals who are violating the border security of the United States.”

After the child was taken into custody, DHS agents learned that the mother had “instigated this illegal conduct.” Yet DHS delivered the child to the mother and took no enforcement action: “It did not arrest her. It did not prosecute her. It did not even initiate deportation proceedings for her.” As the judge said, “instead of enforcing the laws of the United States, the Government took direct steps to help the individuals who violated it,” conduct for which any “private citizen would, and should, be prosecute.”




What especially angered the judge was that this was the fourth case of this nature that he “had in as many weeks.” All involved “human traffickers who smuggled minor children [and] were apprehended short of delivering the children to their ultimate destination.” In each case, the parents were in this country illegally and had initiated and funded the illegal activity. And in each instance, DHS completed the crime by delivering the child to the parents and refusing to take any action against them.

As the judge pointed out, this means that DHS is encouraging “parents to put their minor children in perilous situations subject to the whims of evil individuals.” According to the judge, “this concern for the safety of these [children] in not fanciful or theoretical; it is a real and immediate concern.” While the Santos child had been transported in a car, “others are made to swim the Rio Grande River or other bodies of water in remote areas.” As Judge Hanen was waiting for the judgment in this case to be prepared, “two illegal aliens drowned, two more are missing, and a three-year-old El Salvadoran toddler was found abandoned by smugglers” just outside of Brownsville.

This DHS policy troubles Judge Hanen for three reasons. First and most important, human trafficking is controlled by and helps fund the drug cartels. He didn’t need to list the dangers facing minors and adults as they are smuggled into the U.S. In the last year alone, the judge had “seen instances where aliens being smuggled were assaulted, raped, kidnapped and/or killed.” Judge Hanen cited a long report on drug cartels that describes their “exploitation and trafficking of children” and the “violence, extortion, forced labor, sexual assault, or prostitution” to which they subject children and adults.


“Time and again,” the judge related, “this Court has been told by representatives of the Government . . . that cartels control the entire smuggling process. These entities are not known for their concern for human life. They do not hire bonded childcare providers to smuggle children. By fostering an atmosphere whereby illegal aliens are encouraged to pay human smugglers for further services, the Government is not only allowing them to fund the illegal and evil activities of these cartels, but is also inspiring them to do so.” By virtue of this DHS policy, American citizens are “helping fund these evil ventures with their tax dollars.”

Second, Judge Hanen said that the DHS policy “undermines the deterrent effect the laws may have and inspires others to commit further violations.” Since it is DHS policy to deliver the smuggled children to their parents and not initiate deportation proceedings against them or prosecute them for human trafficking, they “perceive that they have nothing to lose but some time and effort. If the human traffickers are successful, so much the better — mission accomplished. Even if their co-conspirators are unsuccessful, the Government will finish the job of the human traffickers — mission still accomplished.” Even worse, this DHS policy is “encouraging individuals to turn their children over to complete strangers — strangers about whom only one thing is truly known: they are criminals involved in criminal conspiracy.”

That the DHS policy is encouraging human trafficking cannot be doubted. Judge Hanen cites statistics showing that the number of UAC (unaccompanied alien children) apprehensions along the U.S.-Mexican border “increased 81 percent from FY2010 to FY2012.” As the judge says, “an 81 percent increase in two years should tell the DHS” what its policy is doing: “it encourages this kind of Russian roulette.”


Finally, Judge Hanen said that this DHS policy “lowers the morale of those law enforcement agents on the front line.” They “do their best to enforce our laws” with “no small risk to their own safety.” It is “shameful that some policymaker in their agency institutes a course of inaction that negates their efforts.”

Judge Hanen made clear that it is not his “goal to divide or separate family members.” But there is no reason why DHS cannot “reunite the parent and child by apprehending the parent who has committed not one, but at least two different crimes.” Instead, American taxpayers are not only paying the cost of transporting smuggled children across the country for delivery to the illegal alien parents, but are also paying room and board for the children and the salary and travel expense of a guardian to accompany them. The judge calls that “an absurd and illogical result.”

Judge Hansen said he would not address two issues that some might raise: whether it is in the best interests of this ten-year-old girl “to be reunited with a parent who had previously abandoned that child in a different country . . . [and] whether a responsible parent would place her child not only in the care of total strangers, but also in the care of total strangers which she knows are criminals.” He did note, however, that “most courts in the United States would not find that to be good parenting.”

As Judge Hanen concludes, the decision of Salmeron Santos to smuggle her child across the border “even if motivated by the best of motives, is not an excuse for the United States Government to further a criminal conspiracy, and by doing so, encourage others to break the law and endanger additional children.” The DHS policy is “as logical as taking illegal drugs or weapons that it has seized from smugglers and delivering them to the criminals who initially solicited their illegal importation/exportation. Legally, this situation is not different.”


While the court “is not blind to the needs of a minor child,” a concern for common decency does not compel the government “to not only aid, but also reward an individual for initiating a scheme to break the laws governing the border security of this country.” And it does not compel “the Government to aid the drug cartels who control this human trafficking.”

Finally, Judge Hanen tossed out the excuse the Obama administration often gives for its highly questionable behavior: prosecutorial discretion. The judge said that while prosecutors have the ability to defer prosecution or arrest in particular cases, “it is not aware of any accepted legal principle, including prosecutorial discretion, that not only allows the government to decline prosecutions, but further allows it to actually complete the intended criminal mission.”

The court ends with a stern admonition to the Obama administration: “The DHS should enforce the laws of the United States — not break them.”

 

[Sharkinva]

i havent seen any statement that trump wants more anglo saxons here . show me specifically where he said that . that is an assumption on your part . . not a fact but an opinion . and he hasnt said anything different then obama , HRC , schumer , pelosi bill clinton any bush has said as i have posted above

and again its about the wall they built and if it works not whether they should be there or not

and i dont care if most illegals are not here to commit crimes . why are they better then people who come here legally ?

Trump complains about allowing immigrants from 'shithole' countries

 

[Sharkinva]

Federal Judge: The Obama Administration Aids and Abets Human Trafficking
By HANS A. VON SPAKOVSKY
December 20, 2013 2:08 PM



A federal judge in Texas has issued a searing indictment of the Obama administration’s immigration policy. He accuses the government of “completing the criminal mission” of human traffickers “who are violating the border security of the United States” and assisting a “criminal conspiracy in achieving its illegal goals.” The judge calls the administration’s behavior “dangerous and unconscionable” and says that “DHS should cease telling the citizens of the United States that it is enforcing our border security laws because it is clearly not. Even worse, it is helping those who violate these laws.”


On December 13, federal district court Judge Andrew S. Hanen of Brownsville, Texas, issued his order in U.S. v. Nava-Martinez. It described in shocking detail the malfeasance of the government. Mirtha Veronica Nava-Martinez, an admitted human trafficker and resident alien, pleaded guilty to attempting to smuggle a ten-year-old El Salvadoran girl into the U.S. This was Nava-Martinez’s second felony offense; she was convicted of food-stamp fraud in 2011. She was caught at the Brownsville & Matamoros Bridge checkpoint in Texas, after being hired by “persons unknown” to smuggle the girl into the U.S. The girl’s mother, Patricia Elizabeth Salmeron Santos, is an illegal alien living in Virginia. She had solicited the unknown smugglers to get her daughter from El Salvador to the U.S. for the agreed-upon price of $8,500.

As Judge Hanen pointed out, the human-trafficking conspiracy instigated by Salmeron Santos was interrupted when Nava-Martinez was arrested, but the “goal of the conspiracy was successfully completed thanks to the actions of the United States.” Hanen expressed grave concern over the “apparent policy of [DHS] of completing the criminal mission of individuals who are violating the border security of the United States.”

After the child was taken into custody, DHS agents learned that the mother had “instigated this illegal conduct.” Yet DHS delivered the child to the mother and took no enforcement action: “It did not arrest her. It did not prosecute her. It did not even initiate deportation proceedings for her.” As the judge said, “instead of enforcing the laws of the United States, the Government took direct steps to help the individuals who violated it,” conduct for which any “private citizen would, and should, be prosecute.”




What especially angered the judge was that this was the fourth case of this nature that he “had in as many weeks.” All involved “human traffickers who smuggled minor children [and] were apprehended short of delivering the children to their ultimate destination.” In each case, the parents were in this country illegally and had initiated and funded the illegal activity. And in each instance, DHS completed the crime by delivering the child to the parents and refusing to take any action against them.

As the judge pointed out, this means that DHS is encouraging “parents to put their minor children in perilous situations subject to the whims of evil individuals.” According to the judge, “this concern for the safety of these [children] in not fanciful or theoretical; it is a real and immediate concern.” While the Santos child had been transported in a car, “others are made to swim the Rio Grande River or other bodies of water in remote areas.” As Judge Hanen was waiting for the judgment in this case to be prepared, “two illegal aliens drowned, two more are missing, and a three-year-old El Salvadoran toddler was found abandoned by smugglers” just outside of Brownsville.

This DHS policy troubles Judge Hanen for three reasons. First and most important, human trafficking is controlled by and helps fund the drug cartels. He didn’t need to list the dangers facing minors and adults as they are smuggled into the U.S. In the last year alone, the judge had “seen instances where aliens being smuggled were assaulted, raped, kidnapped and/or killed.” Judge Hanen cited a long report on drug cartels that describes their “exploitation and trafficking of children” and the “violence, extortion, forced labor, sexual assault, or prostitution” to which they subject children and adults.


“Time and again,” the judge related, “this Court has been told by representatives of the Government . . . that cartels control the entire smuggling process. These entities are not known for their concern for human life. They do not hire bonded childcare providers to smuggle children. By fostering an atmosphere whereby illegal aliens are encouraged to pay human smugglers for further services, the Government is not only allowing them to fund the illegal and evil activities of these cartels, but is also inspiring them to do so.” By virtue of this DHS policy, American citizens are “helping fund these evil ventures with their tax dollars.”

Second, Judge Hanen said that the DHS policy “undermines the deterrent effect the laws may have and inspires others to commit further violations.” Since it is DHS policy to deliver the smuggled children to their parents and not initiate deportation proceedings against them or prosecute them for human trafficking, they “perceive that they have nothing to lose but some time and effort. If the human traffickers are successful, so much the better — mission accomplished. Even if their co-conspirators are unsuccessful, the Government will finish the job of the human traffickers — mission still accomplished.” Even worse, this DHS policy is “encouraging individuals to turn their children over to complete strangers — strangers about whom only one thing is truly known: they are criminals involved in criminal conspiracy.”

That the DHS policy is encouraging human trafficking cannot be doubted. Judge Hanen cites statistics showing that the number of UAC (unaccompanied alien children) apprehensions along the U.S.-Mexican border “increased 81 percent from FY2010 to FY2012.” As the judge says, “an 81 percent increase in two years should tell the DHS” what its policy is doing: “it encourages this kind of Russian roulette.”


Finally, Judge Hanen said that this DHS policy “lowers the morale of those law enforcement agents on the front line.” They “do their best to enforce our laws” with “no small risk to their own safety.” It is “shameful that some policymaker in their agency institutes a course of inaction that negates their efforts.”

Judge Hanen made clear that it is not his “goal to divide or separate family members.” But there is no reason why DHS cannot “reunite the parent and child by apprehending the parent who has committed not one, but at least two different crimes.” Instead, American taxpayers are not only paying the cost of transporting smuggled children across the country for delivery to the illegal alien parents, but are also paying room and board for the children and the salary and travel expense of a guardian to accompany them. The judge calls that “an absurd and illogical result.”

Judge Hansen said he would not address two issues that some might raise: whether it is in the best interests of this ten-year-old girl “to be reunited with a parent who had previously abandoned that child in a different country . . . [and] whether a responsible parent would place her child not only in the care of total strangers, but also in the care of total strangers which she knows are criminals.” He did note, however, that “most courts in the United States would not find that to be good parenting.”

As Judge Hanen concludes, the decision of Salmeron Santos to smuggle her child across the border “even if motivated by the best of motives, is not an excuse for the United States Government to further a criminal conspiracy, and by doing so, encourage others to break the law and endanger additional children.” The DHS policy is “as logical as taking illegal drugs or weapons that it has seized from smugglers and delivering them to the criminals who initially solicited their illegal importation/exportation. Legally, this situation is not different.”


While the court “is not blind to the needs of a minor child,” a concern for common decency does not compel the government “to not only aid, but also reward an individual for initiating a scheme to break the laws governing the border security of this country.” And it does not compel “the Government to aid the drug cartels who control this human trafficking.”

Finally, Judge Hanen tossed out the excuse the Obama administration often gives for its highly questionable behavior: prosecutorial discretion. The judge said that while prosecutors have the ability to defer prosecution or arrest in particular cases, “it is not aware of any accepted legal principle, including prosecutorial discretion, that not only allows the government to decline prosecutions, but further allows it to actually complete the intended criminal mission.”

The court ends with a stern admonition to the Obama administration: “The DHS should enforce the laws of the United States — not break them.”

Remind me again how many times the defense of Bobby did it first, kept you from correcting your childs bad behavior??

 

[gkekoa]

Trump complains about allowing immigrants from 'shithole' countries

So “shithole countries” is a slur now?

I am sorry but if you compare Haiti to Norway, Haiti is a shithole country. It is far behind Norway in crime and economics.

 

[Sharkinva]

So “shithole countries” is a slur now?

I am sorry but if you compare Haiti to Norway, Haiti is a shithole country. It is far behind Norway in crime and economics.

Nope.. but saying we need to be bringing in immigrants from places like Norway makes him... say it with be... A white Nationalist.

 

[gkekoa]

Shark...answer these questions...

Is it illegal to cross the border without authorization?

Is it Congress’ Job to create the laws?

Is it the POTUS job to enforce the laws?

Does the Flores Consent Decree (judicial decision) forbid the detention of minor alien children?


What do you call it when two people commit the same crime but one is not prosecuted and the other is?

 

[Sharkinva]

Shark...answer these questions...

Is it illegal to cross the border without authorization?

Is it Congress’ Job to create the laws?

Is it the POTUS job to enforce the laws?

Does the Flores Consent Decree (judicial decision) forbid the detention of minor alien children?


What do you call it when two people commit the same crime but one is not prosecuted and the other is?

YOu know what, you are right in all of this.

But the fact is, these LAWS were put in place to maintain control by a certain group for their benefit and their benefit alone. The reality is, the demographic change has already begun. I would be lying if i said Im not in favor of it. Not for some revenge against whitey as you suggest. BUt for a more practical reason.. and that is that the longer one group feels they have some god given right to rule over others, short of eliminating groups of people, we will never have the kind of country or WORLD we should have.

 

[gkekoa]

Nope.. but saying we need to be bringing in immigrants from places like Norway makes him... say it with be... A white Nationalist.

Why does that make him a white nationalist? He said to bring in people from a statistically superior country compared to a statistically inferior country? Just because the superior country is majority white, that makes Trump a white nationalist? That makes no sense.

 

[gkekoa]

YOu know what, you are right in all of this.

But the fact is, these LAWS were put in place to maintain control by a certain group for their benefit and their benefit alone. The reality is, the demographic change has already begun. I would be lying if i said Im not in favor of it. Not for some revenge against whitey as you suggest. BUt for a more practical reason.. and that is that the longer one group feels they have some god given right to rule over others, short of eliminating groups of people, we will never have the kind of country or WORLD we should have.

Are you sure we have immigration laws to keep one group in power? Why does almost every country in the world have immigration laws?

Follow me here...there will always be groups of people. You only want to group people by race because you think people give a damn about race when most don’t. There may be things that predominantly a race has that people dislike within its culture. It isn’t the race, it is the action that people relate to the race. Back to groups...even when your dream of a non-white majority, there will be division by religion, socioeconomic status, sexuality, and general belief system.

We can’t get 300 million to get along...what makes you think we can get 7 billion?

 

[skinsdad62]

Remind me again how many times the defense of Bobby did it first, kept you from correcting your childs bad behavior??

why does Obama get a pass and Trump doesnt ? you call it racism driven and again i show you it isnt . these are our laws , passed by a duly elected congress and signed into law by duly elected presidents . yet its racist ? even though more people of color are allowed in then whites ? how racist is it to assume people of color DONT have skills and cant speak english ?

and Obama wasnt the only president that allowed this to go on but we sure damn want to blame the current president for things his predecessors FAILED to do as part of their OATH of office and enforce laws that were passed and signed into law by our duly elected representatives and signed into law by duly elected presidents

 

[skinsdad62]

Trump complains about allowing immigrants from 'shithole' countries

tell me serbia isnt a shithole country ? any country in the balkans? and if these countries were so great why are they coming here ? sorry but those central american counties are shit holes and not because of the race of the people

 

[Sharkinva]

why does Obama get a pass and Trump doesnt ? you call it racism driven and again i show you it isnt . these are our laws , passed by a duly elected congress and signed into law by duly elected presidents . yet its racist ? even though more people of color are allowed in then whites ? how racist is it to assume people of color DONT have skills and cant speak english ?

and Obama wasnt the only president that allowed this to go on but we sure damn want to blame the current president for things his predecessors FAILED to do as part of their OATH of office and enforce laws that were passed and signed into law by our duly elected representatives and signed into law by duly elected presidents

Stick with me here. Obama does not get a pass.

By the same token Trump doubling down and pimping a bad situation to try and force his agenda damn sure does not give him a pass.

People are outraged at the current president because he took what was a screwed up policy and said... hey lets make this the NORM and in fact expand on it.

Reality is, if Trump had not go into over drive with it, it likely never would have come to light in the manner it has. So no Obama doesnt get a pass, but its a piss poor shitty attempt to rationalize by saying well Obama did it to.

 

[Sharkinva]

tell me serbia isnt a shithole country ? any country in the balkans? and if these countries were so great why are they coming here ? sorry but those central american counties are shit holes and not because of the race of the people

Yep.. and if Trump had said some where in the balkins or Albania as the shithole country, it would not have had the effect or talked to the people he wanted to give the message to. It also would not have come out as racist. BUt if Trump started saying we need to stop importing Albanians, Italians and such, most of his base would have given the side ways what you talkin bout willis look.

 

[gkekoa]

Stick with me here. Obama does not get a pass.

By the same token Trump doubling down and pimping a bad situation to try and force his agenda damn sure does not give him a pass.

People are outraged at the current president because he took what was a screwed up policy and said... hey lets make this the NORM and in fact expand on it.

Reality is, if Trump had not go into over drive with it, it likely never would have come to light in the manner it has. So no Obama doesnt get a pass, but its a piss poor shitty attempt to rationalize by saying well Obama did it to.

I actually agree with the main idea here; however, I disagree with certain assumptions.

The first assumption is separating these kids from their parents is wrong. I actually believe it is the only lawful way to enforce the law equally (without discrimination). I sure as hell believe zero tolerance is better than catch and release.

I also believe had it been a softer spoken POTUS, there would be far less to zero outrage.