O Brother, Where Art Thou Playoff Successes

[vancelot23]

So you're going to penalize him for being so good in the regular season? Even at the loss of a few points, he's still higher than Eli in the playoffs.

 

[Tubbs1518]

First of all, withering and choking are in no way connected. Learn some definitions and context. Second of all Eli plays the same wide range of teams in the regular season and then better teams in the playoffs. So with that theory all QB's stats should go down in the playoffs because they are playing better teams. But that just isn't the case here is it. Try and rationalize it anyway you want, but you can't. And please show me something that says that isn't the case.

PM's completion % drops 2%, rating drops 6.5 points, ya drops .1 yards, aya drops .36 yards, 1.98/.95 regular season TD/INT per game and 1.52/1 post season TD/INT ratio,
141-68 regular season record a 67% winning %, and a 9-10 post season record a 47% winning %. So in conclusion he has drops in all those categories.

Meanwhile.......

EM's completion % jumps 1.5%, rating jumps up 5.4 points, ya stays the same and aya jumps .4 yards, 1.54/1.07 regular season TD/INT ration, and 1.6/.8 post season TD/INT ratio, 69-50 regular season record a 58% winning %, and a 7-3 post season record a 70% winning %. So all those stats that went down for Peyton went up for Eli.

 

[Tubbs1518]

That isn't what is being argued. The fact of the matter is he isn't as good a post season QB as he is regular season. He loses something during the playoffs, doesn't play as well, that is exactly what the stats say. Eli plays better during the playoffs, elevates his game. The stats back that as well. Average Eli's stats out over 19 games and he has more TD's and less INT's than Peyton. Peyton beats him in yards and completion %. Eli has almost as many wins in half the games. Give me Eli every time and there is no stat or anything that can make it look any other way.

 

[Tubbs1518]

That Bears team was led by their defense. The QB isn't the only player on the team. Eli only won his 1st Super Bowl because of the Giants D. He loses if Tyree doesn't make that ridiculous catch. That's a 1 in a million play. He got lucky. There is nothing to suggest Eli has "played better" in the playoffs.

You could say something like that about most things. Ben doesn't win his 1st SB if Nick Harpers wife hadn't stabbed him in the leg days before the game and slowed him down enough for Ben to tackle him after the Bettis fumble. Patriots may not win the SB before if Vinatari misses a FG. Brady never would have happened had Bledsoe not got hurt.

Also Eli made that play possible by scrambling greatly, breaking I believe Richard Seymores tackle and maybe others. And then making a great throw to Tyree. So to say it was all Tyree is foolish.

 

[vancelot23]

That was not a great throw.

 

[flamingrey]

First of all, withering and choking are in no way connected. Learn some definitions and context. Second of all Eli plays the same wide range of teams in the regular season and then better teams in the playoffs. So with that theory all QB's stats should go down in the playoffs because they are playing better teams. But that just isn't the case here is it. Try and rationalize it anyway you want, but you can't. And please show me something that says that isn't the case.

PM's completion % drops 2%, rating drops 6.5 points, ya drops .1 yards, aya drops .36 yards, 1.98/.95 regular season TD/INT per game and 1.52/1 post season TD/INT ratio,
141-68 regular season record a 67% winning %, and a 9-10 post season record a 47% winning %. So in conclusion he has drops in all those categories.

Meanwhile.......

EM's completion % jumps 1.5%, rating jumps up 5.4 points, ya stays the same and aya jumps .4 yards, 1.54/1.07 regular season TD/INT ration, and 1.6/.8 post season TD/INT ratio, 69-50 regular season record a 58% winning %, and a 7-3 post season record a 70% winning %. So all those stats that went down for Peyton went up for Eli.

I'm just waiting for the reference I asked for.

 

[Tubbs1518]

What reference did you ask for dip shit?

 

[Tubbs1518]

That was not a great throw.

Lol he did things on that throw Peyton could only dream of. He scrambles breaks 2 tackles, and throws it on the money to Tyree. All he had to do was jump. The ball was directly to him. I think you need to rewatch that play.

 

[vancelot23]

That wasn't on the money. It was an amazing catch. Fact is, Eli only led his team to 17 points but his defense shut down a historic offense on an undefeated team. The defense won that game.

 

[Tubbs1518]

And the D and the running game won Peytons. And then Peyton lost the one to the Saints on a stupid throw. If we just looked at stats and records and you didn't know whose was whose you would pick Eli everytime.

 

[vancelot23]

No you wouldn't. Peyton's stats are better. The Colts were already losing BTW when he threw the pick. There's no way you could know that that cost them the game. It sealed it, but who knows what would have happened. Peyton had a 10-6 halftime lead and the ball coming out of the break. They let the saints get an onsides kick instead and lost the lead. The D did not play well in the 2nd half. You can't just say the D won the first SB but Peyton lost the 2nd. Eli had almost the exact same numbers as Peyton but you want to credit Eli. The team lost to the saints, not peyton. He played fine. Eli's D was more responsible for Eli's ring than Peyton's D was for his. And it's not even close. The Giants D held a historic Pats offense to just 14 points.

 

[kramer1]

There's nothing to discuss here. Peyton is the much better QB.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Yeah you take the 9-10 guy with with a slightly and I mean slightly high QB rating over the guy who wins. Right. If PM wasnt attached to those stats no one would look at them twice.

And I agree PM is the better QB. Just not in the playoffs.

 

[Cincyfan78]

"winning" is a team effort. Period. You'll have great individual plays, but overall, the team has to get it done. While the colts have some better individual talent on defense, they do not have a better TEAM defense.

Let's not forget that wasn't PM's SB win in a driving, sloppy, poor conditioned rain storm? Or am I imagining things again?

The Colts took that weather and stuck to the run game, and I believe they ran for something like 190 yards against the bears defense. PM"s numbers surely would have been much, much better had that been a clear, bright, sunny day in Miami. The colts defense also was able to load up on the box to help contain the run, and forcing Rex freakin' Grossman into throwing in those poor conditions. The bears, while facing manning, had no such advantage as they knew if they loaded the box, PM would audible them to death with passes regardless of the Rain. That was not going to happen with the Bears.

 

[vancelot23]

Yes, it was raining in that game. And you're right. It's a team game. Eli didn't win his Super Bowl. Peyton didn't win his. The two's stats in their Super Bowl wins are actually eerily similar.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Stats say they have had a better overall scoring and yardage wise defense. Next excuse for Peyton?

 

[vancelot23]

What? Not in the playoffs they don't. Next untrue statement.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I wonder if that has to do with PM turning the ball over more and having overall worse games than in the regular season? Hmmmm no common sense couldn't work that easily.

 

[vancelot23]

I didn't say he played as well in the postseason as he does in the regular season. I said he still played well and as well as Eli has. The numbers bear that out.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Never said he didn't play as well, I said Eli is more clutch. Figure out what you are trying to argue.