NBA Dynasty Game 14

[Nosferatu]

Which team is better?

Kansas City Kings

PG - Mark Jackson
PG - Andre Miller
SG - Reggie Miller
SG/SF - John Havlicek
SG/SF - Paul Pierce
SG - Bill Sharman
SF - Alex English
SF/PF - Oscar Schmidt
PF - Dave DeBusschere
PF/C - Dan Issel
C - Wilt Chamberlain
C - Tom Heinsohn

OR

Cincinnati Royals

PG - Gary Payton
PG - Derrick Rose
PG - Gilbert Arenas
PG/SG - Joe Dumars
SG - Clyde Drexler
SG/SF - Dale Ellis
SG/SF - Shane Battier
SF/PF - LeBron James
PF - Kevin McHale
PF - Tom Chambers
C - Robert Parish
C - Joakim Noah

 

[da55bums]

PG - Mark Jackson
SG - Reggie Miller
SG/SF - John Havlicek
PF/C - Dan Issel
C - Wilt Chamberlain

vs

PG - Gary Payton
SG - Clyde Drexler
SF/PF - LeBron James
PF - Kevin McHale
C - Robert Parish

ok now some competition

 

[da55bums]

Kansas City Kings

PG - Mark Jackson
PG - Andre Miller
combine for over 18,000 assists - perfect compliment to all the scorers on the team and highest combo assist totals

SG - Reggie Miller
SG/SF - John Havlicek
SG/SF - Paul Pierce
SF - Alex English
SF/PF - Oscar Schmidt
PF/C - Dan Issel
C - Wilt Chamberlain
7 guys all with over 25,000 points in their careers, over 4,000 assists each and throw in 20,000+rebounds for just Wilt alone

C - Tom Heinsohn
SG - Bill Sharman
PF - Dave DeBusschere
Combined 3 are the best group of bench guys in the draft...over 14 world championships and 2 were the highest scorers on the greatest NBA dynasty team in basketball history while 1 is listed from 5th to 8th of the best PF ever to play the game.

All in all 10-12 players are HOFers, over 250,000 points, over 70,000 rebounds, over 50,000 assists, over 25 world championship rings.

PG- Payton-I even tryed to draft him, lol
SG-push-even though Miller crushed Clyde in scoring
SF-push-if you don't think Havlicek was Lebron, I can't help you.
PF-Issel - don't know if 4 white guys should qualify, lol, but 27,000 points takes it
C- Wilt
Bench- Kings by a mile

 

[cwalke3408]

Starters
Gary Payton
Clyde Drexler
Lebron James
Kevin McHale
Robert Parish

6th Man: Joakim Noah - Noah has the size and the foot work to slow down Wilt Chamberlain.

 

[Nosferatu]

I really don't see KC as the better team but the "Wilt" or big name factor may move you on like it has twice already.

 

[da55bums]

I really don't see KC as the better team but the "Wilt" or big name factor may move you on like it has twice already.

I could not even start Wilt and the stats from the rest of the team still dominate. Every team has a big name factor, you don't win fantasy drafts in the first 3 rounds its the rest of the rounds that win you games.

Heiny still takes Parrish or Noah, he was the leading scorer on the best basketball team to ever play, nobody will win 8 rings in 9 years...Jordan could have, if he didn't play baseball and thats as close it will ever get.

 

[cwalke3408]

Kansas City Kings

PG - Mark Jackson
PG - Andre Miller
combine for over 18,000 assists - perfect compliment to all the scorers on the team and highest combo assist totals

SG - Reggie Miller
SG/SF - John Havlicek
SG/SF - Paul Pierce
SF - Alex English
SF/PF - Oscar Schmidt
PF/C - Dan Issel
C - Wilt Chamberlain
7 guys all with over 25,000 points in their careers, over 4,000 assists each and throw in 20,000+rebounds for just Wilt alone

C - Tom Heinsohn
SG - Bill Sharman
PF - Dave DeBusschere
Combined 3 are the best group of bench guys in the draft...over 14 world championships and 2 were the highest scorers on the greatest NBA dynasty team in basketball history while 1 is listed from 5th to 8th of the best PF ever to play the game.

All in all 10-12 players are HOFers, over 250,000 points, over 70,000 rebounds, over 50,000 assists, over 25 world championship rings.

PG- Payton-I even tryed to draft him, lol
SG-push-even though Miller crushed Clyde in scoring
SF-push-if you don't think Havlicek was Lebron, I can't help you.
PF-Issel - don't know if 4 white guys should qualify, lol, but 27,000 points takes it
C- Wilt
Bench- Kings by a mile

PG: Gary Payton vs. Mark Jackson | Basketball-Reference.com Gary Payton owns Mark Jackson
SG: Miller is a better shooter but Drexler is better ever other part of the game
Reggie Miller vs. Clyde Drexler | Basketball-Reference.com
SF: As good of as Havlicek was he's still not on same level as the 4-time MVP
PF: Closest Matchup
C: Wilt but Parish and Noah are 7'0 foot, so I'm not sure he would go off.

 

[da55bums]

Havlicek was 8x world champion, 13x all star, 11x all 1st or 2nd team NBA, 8x all defensive 1st or 2nd team...26,000 points, 8000 rebounds, 6000 assists...Lebron will be lucky to match all 3. 6 titles in 7 years (only 2 guys ever to come close, I have 1 of them and Jordan was 1 year off)

not sure what you consider, not on the same level, winning, defense?

 

[Nosferatu]

Kansas City Kings

PG - Mark Jackson
PG - Andre Miller
combine for over 18,000 assists - perfect compliment to all the scorers on the team and highest combo assist totals

SG - Reggie Miller
SG/SF - John Havlicek
SG/SF - Paul Pierce
SF - Alex English
SF/PF - Oscar Schmidt
PF/C - Dan Issel
C - Wilt Chamberlain
7 guys all with over 25,000 points in their careers, over 4,000 assists each and throw in 20,000+rebounds for just Wilt alone

C - Tom Heinsohn
SG - Bill Sharman
PF - Dave DeBusschere
Combined 3 are the best group of bench guys in the draft...over 14 world championships and 2 were the highest scorers on the greatest NBA dynasty team in basketball history while 1 is listed from 5th to 8th of the best PF ever to play the game.

All in all 10-12 players are HOFers, over 250,000 points, over 70,000 rebounds, over 50,000 assists, over 25 world championship rings.

PG- Payton-I even tryed to draft him, lol
SG-push-even though Miller crushed Clyde in scoring
SF-push-if you don't think Havlicek was Lebron, I can't help you.
PF-Issel - don't know if 4 white guys should qualify, lol, but 27,000 points takes it
C- Wilt
Bench- Kings by a mile

Reggie averaged 18.2 PPG Clyde 20.4 PPG how is that crushing?

If I had to go just by starters in this one i'd go.

Payton > Jackson
Drexler > Miller
LeBron > Havlicek
McHale even Issel : i'd give a slight edge to McHale.
Parish < Wilt and it's not close.

 

[da55bums]

Reggie averaged 18.2 PPG Clyde 20.4 PPG how is that crushing?

If I had to go just by starters in this one i'd go.

Payton > Jackson
Drexler > Miller
LeBron > Havlicek
McHale even Issel : i'd give a slight edge to McHale.
Parish < Wilt and it's not close.

Miller had over 25,000 points, how many did Drexler have? That would be crushing

If Drexler's all around game takes Miller, then with that logic Havliceks all around game takes Lebron. Havicek during his peak years, like Lebron is currently, was easily Lebron or better.

 

[cwalke3408]

_____Lebron____ Havlicek
PPG: 27.5_______20.8
FG%: .497_______.439
APG: 6.9_______4.8
RPG: 6.6_______6.3
Both outstanding defensive players and both are 5 time All Defensive first team.
Lebron will be the champion like Mavlicek but no one today is getting 8 rings.
The difference is not miles apart but is not a push either.

 

[cwalke3408]

Miller had over 25,000 points, how many did Drexler have? That would be crushing

If Drexler's all around game takes Miller, then with that logic Havliceks all around game takes Lebron. Havicek during his peak years, like Lebron is currently, was easily Lebron or better.

Lebron shooting over 50% right now and over the past 5 years, something Havliceks never done in a season.

 

[Clayton]

Lebron has basically not gotten 2 MVPs because people are tired of giving him MVPs, too. Lebron is easily better than Havlicek. The Kings can throw waves at Lebron, though. Pierce is no slouch. Alex English is no slouch.

I'm going to think about this one a bit before I vote. Not as simple as the other matchup

 

[da55bums]

_____Lebron____ Havlicek
PPG: 27.5_______20.8
FG%: .497_______.439
APG: 6.9_______4.8
RPG: 6.6_______6.3
Both outstanding defensive players and both are 5 time All Defensive first team.
Lebron will be the champion like Mavlicek but no one today is getting 8 rings.
The difference is not miles apart but is not a push either.

its a push because Lebron hasn't gone to the downside of his career yet when numbers will positively lower...take the first 11 or 12 years...and compare them to their peers of their times.

Havlicek was easily Lebron of his time almost Jordan.

Damnit, where are the ESPN highlights of Havlicek?

 

[cwalke3408]

Lebron has basically not gotten 2 MVPs because people are tired of giving him MVPs, too. Lebron is easily better than Havlicek. The Kings can throw waves at Lebron, though. Pierce is no slouch. Alex English is no slouch.

I'm going to think about this one a bit before I vote. Not as simple as the other matchup

Rose and Durant earn their MVP. Don't have to be the best player, to be the most valuble player to your team.

its a push because Lebron hasn't gone to the downside of his career yet when numbers will positively lower...take the first 11 or 12 years...and compare them to their peers of their times.

Havlicek was easily Lebron of his time almost Jordan.

Damnit, where are the ESPN highlights of Havlicek?

The way I vote is by how players match up in their primes instead who had better careers. If we treat all the stats from all eras the same then Wilt Chamberline would easily be GOAT his numbers and not MJ.

 

[da55bums]

damn, I knew I should have taking Benard King

seriously maybe I screwed up, would Dave DeBusschere be better than Issel then?

would that be primes against each other or primes against the best players of their time? I would have completely drafted more current stars than past stars.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Kansas City has a lot of great players, but I vote on who I think would win, and they have massive matchup problems everywhere but Center IMO. Cincinnati has a huge edge in speed and quickness, Payton, Rose, Drexler and Lebron would run all over KC's talented but less athletic guards and wing players. Wilt nearly tilts the scale, but I think McHale is such a problem to guard in the post that he cancels some of that out, the Royals win a close one

 

[da55bums]

guess I could see that, Carl Lewis, Usaine Bolt are better than Jesse Owens, Jim Thorpe...newer players are better with speed and jumping. Even though the best speed and jumping of the 60's and 70's was light years ahead of people before them too.

Its hard to comprehend what the older people did to records before them and see that they were all in the same situations as Lebron, Durant, Jordan.

Against their peers is how I was looking at it, Havlicek destroyed his peers and its easy to see how he won 8 championships.

Oh well, should have drafted the newer generation of stars, good game.

 

[UK Cowboy]

guess I could see that, Carl Lewis, Usaine Bolt are better than Jesse Owens, Jim Thorpe...newer players are better with speed and jumping. Even though the best speed and jumping of the 60's and 70's was light years ahead of people before them too.

Its hard to comprehend what the older people did to records before them and see that they were all in the same situations as Lebron, Durant, Jordan.

Against their peers is how I was looking at it, Havlicek destroyed his peers and its easy to see how he won 8 championships.

Oh well, should have drafted the newer generation of stars, good game.

It seems like it always turns into that. I've seen a lot of the ripping of Bill Russell on here and it makes me lol. It just depends on how people judge it here, and it usually tilts toward the young guys. My best player, Elgin Baylor, averaged 35 points and 20 rebounds for a season, but advanced metrics makes him like a 12-8 guy I guess lol. I think if the premise of how dominant each teams players were against the competition of their era, your team would probably win

 

[Nosferatu]

Miller had over 25,000 points, how many did Drexler have? That would be crushing

If Drexler's all around game takes Miller, then with that logic Havliceks all around game takes Lebron. Havicek during his peak years, like Lebron is currently, was easily Lebron or better.

Great logic. Christian Laettner has more points than Kevin Love, Laettner is crushing him!

What about Havlicek is better? PPG? FG% REB ASST??? What? Nothing...