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NBA All Star Draft Championship : Tlance vs Shane

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TLANCE

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PG/SG - Penny Hardaway - $4
SG - Mitch Richmond - $6
SF - LeBron James - $12
PF/C - Caldwell Jones - $1
C - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - $19

BENCH
PG/SG - Fat Lever - $2
SG - Michael Cooper - $0
SG/SF - Dale Ellis - $1
SG/SF - Jalen Rose - $0
PF - Wes Unseld - $5

MONEY REMAINING - $0


-PG: Penny vs. CP3: Penny has not been getting a lot of love, but he was 2 time first team NBA before he got hurt. At 6'7", he was a dynamic playmaker and a matchup nightmare. Chris Paul has the advantage, but the matchup is close. He is not shutting Penny down.

-SG: Richmond vs. Iguodala: Iguodala is 1 inch taller, but Richmond actually outweighs him by 8 pounds. This is not a defensive mismatch, but I really hope Shane thinks it is. If he runs offense through Iggy, that means his most efficient offensive players are losing touches. Heavy advantage to Richmond here, even though I am sure Iggy guards someone else. Kobe will tire chasing Richmond off pin down screens.

-SF: LeBron vs. Kobe: LeBron is one of the best on ball defenders to ever play. He outweighs Kobe by 40 pounds and has 2 inches on him. There are very few players better suited to guard Kobe, but one just as good happens to reside on my bench in Cooper. Coop will slide over on Kobe and between the two elite defenders, plus chasing Richmond and Ellis, the Mamba will have nothing left. Before anyone suggest that Iggy can guard LeBron, here are the King's averages from the last 2 Finals matchups:

2015: 35.8, 13.3 Rebs, and 8.8 assists
2016:29.7, 11.3, 8.9

LeBron produces significantly more than Kobe in this matchup.

PF: Caldwell Jones vs. Webber: Wes was not scoring for me anyway, so he moves to the bench where he can help anchor my second unit, this also allows my defensive ace, Jones, to get all of his minutes at the 4 against Webber. Wes will still play a lot, but I am best suited using Jones against the stars instead of the second team. Webber has the edge, but, Jones was a 2 time all first team defender in the NBA and averaged over 2.9 blocks 3 times in the ABA. He can slow Webber and crush CWebb on the boards.

C: Kareem vs Hakeem: ultimate respect to Hakeem, but Kareem is the only center clearly better. You can't block the sky hook, and Hakeem's help opportunities will be limited by primary responsibility guarding Kareem.

Bench:

Shane's bench is solid, but I have an MVP on mine. Ellis is a better scorer than anybody on Shane's bench, and Cooper is key vs. Kobe. I also like the Lever/Rose two headed monster over Harper. Prince is solid, but not strong enough to match up with LeBron.

I think my starters have better matchups, and my bench more talent with Unseld with the second unit.


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SHANE

STARTERS
PG - Chris Paul - $9
SG - Kobe Bryant - $18
SF - Andre Iguodala - $1
PF - Chris Webber - $5
C - Hakeem Olajuwon - $12

BENCH
PG/SG - Ron Harper - $0
SG - Eddie Jones - $3
SF - Tayshaun Prince - $0
PF - Horace Grant - $1
C - Tyson Chandler - $1

MONEY REMAINING - $0

STARTERS
PG Chris Paul - Penny Hardaway - Paul is a great defender will quick hands and is quicker than Penny. It hurts Penny he cant shoot and it only helps Paul can shoot from the outside and a better playmaker and facilitator.

SG Kobe Bryant - Mitch Richmond - A great defender that should have the full advantage defending Richmond and making Lebron work on offense AND defense.

SF Andre Iguodala - LeBron James - As good of a defender as we have actually seen play Lebron and he doesnt need help. Iggy will help limit Lebron without help. Huge key so Kobe doesnt have to guard the best player. Kobe will still guard him at times.

PF - Chris Webber - Caldwell Jones - while Jones has the size Webber is too skilled and mid-range is money. This is definite mismatch even without Unseld. Webber is also a great passer so this helps the offense flow.
Once Caldwell Jones entered the NBA from ABA he was a decent rebounder. 7 ppg 8 rpg, 1.3 bpg

He was average at best. Webber is too athletic for him and would outrebound him.

C Hakeem - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - You cant get much of a better defender and all-around player to play against Kareem. Great matchup.

BENCH
PG/SG - Ron Harper - Fat Lever - A solid defender and people forget he is an underrated scorer.
SG - Tayshaun Prince - Michael Cooper - Cooper adds no offensive threat and Prince has too much length and all-around game for him.
SG/SF - Eddie Jones - Dale Ellis - very good defender to guard the 3 point specialist and Jones can score the ball as well.
SG/SF - Horant Grant - Jalen Rose - Grant was a competitor and defensive guy first but he had a good mid-range.
PF/C - Tyson Chandler - Wes Unseld - wes cant score and Tyson can help on defensive to rim protect.

The big mismatches. Paul vs Penny. Paul is too quick for Penny and a very good shooter.
Webber vs Jones, good defense but not enough for the all-around game.

*We have seen Iggy slow down Lebron 1-on-1 and if he plays under the pick-and-roll it works wonders. With Kobe not having to guard the best player it helps his offensive game out a lot. Kareem and Hakeem---great matchup.
 

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Voted - Tlance, Nos, Shane, Stoke, Bolts, EHB, Femur, Milk, WLK, UK
 
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Tlance wins
 

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Very good matchup. I would have voted for Shane had I made the Championship game and i'm not gonna change my opinion now, he has the best team,
 

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I like my team to take a very close one. TLance has a great team. Impressive drafting man! :suds:
 

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I agree with Nos... Shane might have the second best team in the draft... Give me some time to break down my vote as you guys both did great and eventhough your breakdowns were outrageous you both took the time to give terrible feed back...:heh:
 

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this one is tough for me... I first wrote that Tlance would win and was writing why, and then i erased it because i didn't factor something in...

what i like about shane's team is how Kobe is an elite offense guy and he doesn't have a difficult defensive assignment...

I don't know if lebron can exert the energy to play shut down defense AND elite scoring if he is guarding such an elite offensive player.... So i would see michael cooper playing heavy minutes at SG, so he can take over guarding Kobe, and that would free up Lebron to be more dominant offensively IMO... But with cooper playing heavy minutes that takes away a good option for lebron to pass to...

So, i actually see shane to be more deep... Chris paul is just too good and will be the X-factor in this match...
 

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Remember 7 votes are needed to win...
 

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this one is tough for me... I first wrote that Tlance would win and was writing why, and then i erased it because i didn't factor something in...

what i like about shane's team is how Kobe is an elite offense guy and he doesn't have a difficult defensive assignment...

I don't know if lebron can exert the energy to play shut down defense AND elite scoring if he is guarding such an elite offensive player.... So i would see michael cooper playing heavy minutes at SG, so he can take over guarding Kobe, and that would free up Lebron to be more dominant offensively IMO... But with cooper playing heavy minutes that takes away a good option for lebron to pass to...

So, i actually see shane to be more deep... Chris paul is just too good and will be the X-factor in this match...

Just one thing to point out...

Kobe is guarding Richmond. He is chasing him off screens all day. Guarding a shooter off the ball is every bit as taxing, if not more so than guarding a guy with it. He gets no free pass.

Also, when my team goes small, I can have LeBron, Ellis, Cooper and Richmond in at the same time. Can't guard that. Cooper could hit 3s too.
 

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Cooper was mainly a defender. He attempted just over 1 3 pointer a game, not really a scoring threat. I can always sub in Eddie jones for defense and shooting. He was a 38% 3 point shooter and a very good defensive player. He has also played along Kobe.

That being said, Kobe wont have to work nearly as hard with a guy that mainly shoots jumpshots rather than getting posted up and takes shot to the body guarding Lebron. It really helps Kobe on offense regardless.
 

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Cooper was mainly a defender. He attempted just over 1 3 pointer a game, not really a scoring threat. I can always sub in Eddie jones for defense and shooting. He was a 38% 3 point shooter and a very good defensive player. He has also played along Kobe.

That being said, Kobe wont have to work nearly as hard with a guy that mainly shoots jumpshots rather than getting posted up and takes shot to the body guarding Lebron. It really helps Kobe on offense regardless.


Not sure if you believe this or not... But i like how you are jumping on my point to make Tlance sound worse... LOL
 

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I have said this before in these mocks... I would love to know how much people sell their team or whether they really believe what they say...

WLK does the best sales job on this... And i love reading it... i often ask him to give me write ups, but they never have the heart....
 

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I have said this before in these mocks... I would love to know how much people sell their team or whether they really believe what they say...

WLK does the best sales job on this... And i love reading it... i often ask him to give me write ups, but they never have the heart....

For me it's if I really believe my team can win the matchup or is the best I will give my explanation. I am kinda gettig the hang off things again so drafting (especially in NBA) is getting a little less difficult. A lot of it is luck though. If you have plan and the players you want go, you have to make another plan and sometimes it just doesnt workout.
 

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I think

Cp3 is too much for penny... His stop and go, change of direction will keep Penny off balance... His pick-n-pop/roll action with Webber is pretty hard to stop and no way Penny is going to handle it which means CWebb is going to go off some too... That's available whenever Paul doesn't feel Kobe's hot... His ability to run the show would help Kobe's efficiency IMO... I think SF is a wash and KAJ doesn't make up the difference... Tlances bench closes the gap some as well but...

Shane 112
Ehb 106
 

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I am always happy to see a Championship game be this close...
 
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