Kevin Durant Believes The Greek Freak Can Become The GOAT

[Great Dayne]

Your post literally states "I think without question he will be the best ever"

I meant can become.

 

[Great Dayne]

There are only two players in the League, IMO, capable of slowing Giannis down individually. One is Draymond and the other one hasn't played a single game yet this season in Kawhi. Other than that his skillset is remarkable. He's going to command weakside help on every play. The Bucks will become a real contender once they can put some shooters around him.

Do you think the If the Bucks trade for Bledsoe without losing their top 4 players then it could be over for the Cavs. Reports are saying they're working on a trade now

 

[CitySushi]

Do you think the If the Bucks trade for Bledsoe without losing their top 4 players then it could be over for the Cavs. Reports are saying they're working on a trade now

I'd say no. The reason is, IT is just too much of a wildcard right now. If he comes back at say 80%, I think the Cavs are just as likely to repeat as the champions of the East.

The Cavs are incredibly streaky throughout the regular season as we've seen in seasons past. What happens in the regular season is just a precursor to their ultimate goal. You're seeing a lot of inconsistency with them because Lue is still trying to figure out what lineups work. That's what the regular season is for.

That's why losses right now to the Nets don't affect my opinion on them. They have all the working parts to still be the best team in the East. They have a ton of new players who they have to figure out how to best utilize.

I think the Bucks, even with the addition of Bledsoe are just on the outside looking in. The Bucks would need Parker to get fully healthy and have an incredible season too from Middleton. Bledsoe is also a pick and roll point guard, so you would be taking the ball out of Giannis hands a bit more, which could or could not be a bad thing.

I think the Bucks are lacking two things: Outside shooting and reliable big. The don't have an identity or consistent player on their roster. Henson is who he is. Monroe is really a traditional low post scoring big, but he's a bit obsolete with Giannis being the focal point. Thon is a stretch 5, but he's also really raw still and has a way to go before you can count on him.

Bucks could be a real contender in 2 years IMO. They need Parker back full healthy and they need to get a couple bench shooters and scorers. One guy I thought they would target in the off-season was Ian Clark, but I guess they weren't able to get him. He would have helped a ton with your second unit and floor spacing.

 

[Great Dayne]

I'd say no. The reason is, IT is just too much of a wildcard right now. If he comes back at say 80%, I think the Cavs are just as likely to repeat as the champions of the East.

The Cavs are incredibly streaky throughout the regular season as we've seen in seasons past. What happens in the regular season is just a precursor to their ultimate goal. You're seeing a lot of inconsistency with them because Lue is still trying to figure out what lineups work. That's what the regular season is for.

That's why losses right now to the Nets don't affect my opinion on them. They have all the working parts to still be the best team in the East. They have a ton of new players who they have to figure out how to best utilize.

I think the Bucks, even with the addition of Bledsoe are just on the outside looking in. The Bucks would need Parker to get fully healthy and have an incredible season too from Middleton. Bledsoe is also a pick and roll point guard, so you would be taking the ball out of Giannis hands a bit more, which could or could not be a bad thing.

I think the Bucks are lacking two things: Outside shooting and reliable big. The don't have an identity or consistent player on their roster. Henson is who he is. Monroe is really a traditional low post scoring big, but he's a bit obsolete with Giannis being the focal point. Thon is a stretch 5, but he's also really raw still and has a way to go before you can count on him.

Bucks could be a real contender in 2 years IMO. They need Parker back full healthy and they need to get a couple bench shooters and scorers. One guy I thought they would target in the off-season was Ian Clark, but I guess they weren't able to get him. He would have helped a ton with your second unit and floor spacing.

Parker was a 20 and 6 guy as a 21 year old last season and came back better after the knee injury. I'm skeptical he can come back better than last year but if he does having him, middleton and if they acquire Bledsoe that would be 3 borderline all star caliber players that weren't playing in the playoffs. Despite this, the Bucks nearly won their first series.

The Bucks are 19th in three point shooting which is 19th right now. Deledova is well below his career average which is 39% and he's shooting under 30% and Thon Maker is chucking way too many three's. Also, Middleton is a career 40% three point shooter and is shooting a terrible 12%.

They have plenty of Cats that are either averaging for their career over 40% or have averaged over 40% from three point land within the last three seasons in Deledova, Brogdon, Snell, Middleton, and three point specialist Teletovic. With the law of averages I expect Deledova and Middleton to improve their 3 point shooting back to their norm, and majority of the other three point shots should go to the snipers and not Maker or Giannis. Parker was shooting about 37% from three last season as well. They'll be fine from three point land.

John Henson is becoming a good Center in his 5th season as he's averaging 63% FG% 2 blk per game (only 15 minutes) and a 16.5 PER. Thon is that Unicorn type player but still very Raw. He makes some three pointers and all the fans go crazy. He's the hardest worker in the NBA and he flashed some of his potential in the postseason last year but came into the season injured and looks lost sometimes. Henson will continually take more minutes from Monroe with his defense and high scoring percentage.

As for the Cavs, they just look old tired and injury prone. Their desperation acquisitions of Wade, Rose were just desperation attempts. We have no idea how good IT will be after the hip injury and being out for nearly a year. IT was only a great scorer when he was in the C's system of pick and rolls and was the #1 option with a great coach. Now, he's no longer the number one, in a different system with a coach not as good and is 29 years old with the worst injury of his career and missed nearly an entire season. Being that the Cavs are 3-2 without him right now and looked terrible against the Bulls I think that's to much for them to depend on IT to get them over the hump. Bucks are young and athletic and well coached and would run them out of the gym in a 7 game series. Unless LBJ has the series of his life like he did vs Detroit and IT is able to seamlessly adjust in the new system with the new team and show no signs of slowing down from the injury I just can't see them beating the Bucks. Yes they're streaky but this appears to be who they are right now and IDK if an old injured midget PG can save their old ass. But hey maybe this is just a slow adjusting period and come playoff time they will just gel perfectly and all become healthy and play like they did 5 years ago in their primes. lol


As for Bledsoe, he is a great player but might not be a great fit for the Bucks. They might just decide to stay with the ROY in Brogdon and hope Parker comes back as good as ever and stays healthy. I think they're the best in the East if that happens but we won't know for a while since he won't be back until February I believe.

 

[CitySushi]

Parker was a 20 and 6 guy as a 21 year old last season and came back better after the knee injury. I'm skeptical he can come back better than last year but if he does having him, middleton and if they acquire Bledsoe that would be 3 borderline all star caliber players that weren't playing in the playoffs. Despite this, the Bucks nearly won their first series.

The Bucks are 19th in three point shooting which is 19th right now. Deledova is well below his career average which is 39% and he's shooting under 30% and Thon Maker is chucking way too many three's. Also, Middleton is a career 40% three point shooter and is shooting a terrible 12%.

They have plenty of Cats that are either averaging for their career over 40% or have averaged over 40% from three point land within the last three seasons in Deledova, Brogdon, Snell, Middleton, and three point specialist Teletovic. With the law of averages I expect Deledova and Middleton to improve their 3 point shooting back to their norm, and majority of the other three point shots should go to the snipers and not Maker or Giannis. Parker was shooting about 37% from three last season as well. They'll be fine from three point land.

John Henson is becoming a good Center in his 5th season as he's averaging 63% FG% 2 blk per game (only 15 minutes) and a 16.5 PER. Thon is that Unicorn type player but still very Raw. He makes some three pointers and all the fans go crazy. He's the hardest worker in the NBA and he flashed some of his potential in the postseason last year but came into the season injured and looks lost sometimes. Henson will continually take more minutes from Monroe with his defense and high scoring percentage.

As for the Cavs, they just look old tired and injury prone. Their desperation acquisitions of Wade, Rose were just desperation attempts. We have no idea how good IT will be after the hip injury and being out for nearly a year. IT was only a great scorer when he was in the C's system of pick and rolls and was the #1 option with a great coach. Now, he's no longer the number one, in a different system with a coach not as good and is 29 years old with the worst injury of his career and missed nearly an entire season. Being that the Cavs are 3-2 without him right now and looked terrible against the Bulls I think that's to much for them to depend on IT to get them over the hump. Bucks are young and athletic and well coached and would run them out of the gym in a 7 game series. Unless LBJ has the series of his life like he did vs Detroit and IT is able to seamlessly adjust in the new system with the new team and show no signs of slowing down from the injury I just can't see them beating the Bucks. Yes they're streaky but this appears to be who they are right now and IDK if an old injured midget PG can save their old ass. But hey maybe this is just a slow adjusting period and come playoff time they will just gel perfectly and all become healthy and play like they did 5 years ago in their primes. lol


As for Bledsoe, he is a great player but might not be a great fit for the Bucks. They might just decide to stay with the ROY in Brogdon and hope Parker comes back as good as ever and stays healthy. I think they're the best in the East if that happens but we won't know for a while since he won't be back until February I believe.

Don't know why you're getting really defensive. You asked me and I gave my thoughtful response. If you disagree cool, but that's just how I see it.

The Cavs acquired more players they thought would be able to handle their defensive matchups with the Warriors. Aside from the Kyrie to IT downgrade, they shored up a lot of positions that were bad for them last year. Crowder provides a really reliable defensive wing player to help guard against the Warriors small lineups. They also got Jeff Green who they think can help (I disagree but understand the move). Rose is a clear upgrade over their backup PG situation last year. Wade, while not actually being Wade is still better than half the starting SG's in the NBA right now. If they manage his minutes correctly, he's a huge upgrade for them.

Again the Cavs don't look like the CAVS yet. Neither do the Warriors. That's why taking such a hard look at a team after 5 games is such a small sample size. Hell Milwaukee is tied with Orlando for the best record in the East and Brooklyn has an identical record to the Warriors.

Also Thon Maker I'm sure works hard but there's no way you can say he's the hardest worker in the NBA. LOL. Off the top of my head I'm 100% sure he's not on Jimmy Butler's level of dedication where he spent an entire summer without a phone, tv or internet connection, just so all he would do is improve his game.

 

[Great Dayne]

Don't know why you're getting really defensive. You asked me and I gave my thoughtful response. If you disagree cool, but that's just how I see it.

The Cavs acquired more players they thought would be able to handle their defensive matchups with the Warriors. Aside from the Kyrie to IT downgrade, they shored up a lot of positions that were bad for them last year. Crowder provides a really reliable defensive wing player to help guard against the Warriors small lineups. They also got Jeff Green who they think can help (I disagree but understand the move). Rose is a clear upgrade over their backup PG situation last year. Wade, while not actually being Wade is still better than half the starting SG's in the NBA right now. If they manage his minutes correctly, he's a huge upgrade for them.

Again the Cavs don't look like the CAVS yet. Neither do the Warriors. That's why taking such a hard look at a team after 5 games is such a small sample size. Hell Milwaukee is tied with Orlando for the best record in the East and Brooklyn has an identical record to the Warriors.

Also Thon Maker I'm sure works hard but there's no way you can say he's the hardest worker in the NBA. LOL. Off the top of my head I'm 100% sure he's not on Jimmy Butler's level of dedication where he spent an entire summer without a phone, tv or internet connection, just so all he would do is improve his game.

Not defensive at all, just calling it how I see it for both teams. One is young with some experience with one elite player and a couple future all stars but has some injury issues, one is old with an MVP candidate and one all star and a bunch of old all stars and a ton of injury concerns.

Rose is easily an upgrade over the backup from last season but he might be forced to be the starter depending on the IT situation. We won't even know if Rose can stay healthy for the playoffs yet. Wade's PER isn't even top 50 SG right now. Still early but not a good start for the 35 year old.

Jeff Green has been one of the best players on their team so far and has been a bit of a surprise. I didn't even know he was still in the NBA.

It's still early I guess we will have to wait until at least the first Q and then see how it's going for the Cavs by that time.

Thon might be the harders worker in the NBA. He works so hard that J Kidd banned him from the Gym. lol I've never heard of a coach banning a player from going to the gym for working to hard.

 

[tlance]

Not defensive at all, just calling it how I see it for both teams. One is young with some experience with one elite player and a couple future all stars but has some injury issues, one is old with an MVP candidate and one all star and a bunch of old all stars and a ton of injury concerns.

Rose is easily an upgrade over the backup from last season but he might be forced to be the starter depending on the IT situation. We won't even know if Rose can stay healthy for the playoffs yet. Wade's PER isn't even top 50 SG right now. Still early but not a good start for the 35 year old.

Jeff Green has been one of the best players on their team so far and has been a bit of a surprise. I didn't even know he was still in the NBA.

It's still early I guess we will have to wait until at least the first Q and then see how it's going for the Cavs by that time.

Thon might be the harders worker in the NBA. He works so hard that J Kidd banned him from the Gym. lol I've never heard of a coach banning a player from going to the gym for working to hard.

I would have said yes to Thon being a future MVP when I saw him play in 8th grade.

Honestly though, he hasn't improved nearly as much as he should have since then. He was a do everything 7 foot point center back then. Never seen a more talented 8th grader than Thon Maker.

 

[Great Dayne]

I would have said yes to Thon being a future MVP when I saw him play in 8th grade.

Honestly though, he hasn't improved nearly as much as he should have since then. He was a do everything 7 foot point center back then. Never seen a more talented 8th grader than Thon Maker.

He's probably 23 years old though. Many reports coming out that he lied about his age.

 

[SJ76]

Parker was a 20 and 6 guy as a 21 year old last season and came back better after the knee injury. I'm skeptical he can come back better than last year but if he does having him, middleton and if they acquire Bledsoe that would be 3 borderline all star caliber players that weren't playing in the playoffs. Despite this, the Bucks nearly won their first series.

The Bucks are 19th in three point shooting which is 19th right now. Deledova is well below his career average which is 39% and he's shooting under 30% and Thon Maker is chucking way too many three's. Also, Middleton is a career 40% three point shooter and is shooting a terrible 12%.

They have plenty of Cats that are either averaging for their career over 40% or have averaged over 40% from three point land within the last three seasons in Deledova, Brogdon, Snell, Middleton, and three point specialist Teletovic. With the law of averages I expect Deledova and Middleton to improve their 3 point shooting back to their norm, and majority of the other three point shots should go to the snipers and not Maker or Giannis. Parker was shooting about 37% from three last season as well. They'll be fine from three point land.

John Henson is becoming a good Center in his 5th season as he's averaging 63% FG% 2 blk per game (only 15 minutes) and a 16.5 PER. Thon is that Unicorn type player but still very Raw. He makes some three pointers and all the fans go crazy. He's the hardest worker in the NBA and he flashed some of his potential in the postseason last year but came into the season injured and looks lost sometimes. Henson will continually take more minutes from Monroe with his defense and high scoring percentage.

As for the Cavs, they just look old tired and injury prone. Their desperation acquisitions of Wade, Rose were just desperation attempts. We have no idea how good IT will be after the hip injury and being out for nearly a year. IT was only a great scorer when he was in the C's system of pick and rolls and was the #1 option with a great coach. Now, he's no longer the number one, in a different system with a coach not as good and is 29 years old with the worst injury of his career and missed nearly an entire season. Being that the Cavs are 3-2 without him right now and looked terrible against the Bulls I think that's to much for them to depend on IT to get them over the hump. Bucks are young and athletic and well coached and would run them out of the gym in a 7 game series. Unless LBJ has the series of his life like he did vs Detroit and IT is able to seamlessly adjust in the new system with the new team and show no signs of slowing down from the injury I just can't see them beating the Bucks. Yes they're streaky but this appears to be who they are right now and IDK if an old injured midget PG can save their old ass. But hey maybe this is just a slow adjusting period and come playoff time they will just gel perfectly and all become healthy and play like they did 5 years ago in their primes. lol


As for Bledsoe, he is a great player but might not be a great fit for the Bucks. They might just decide to stay with the ROY in Brogdon and hope Parker comes back as good as ever and stays healthy. I think they're the best in the East if that happens but we won't know for a while since he won't be back until February I believe.

He's gone Wiggy

 

[tlance]

He's probably 23 years old though. Many reports coming out that he lied about his age.

I agree.

Still though, would have had him at 16 instead of 14?

The kid I saw would have still probably been the number 1 prospect in the class 2 years ahead of him. He was that talented. His feel for the game was a little off. He was out of position a lot especially on defense (understandable for a young high school player).

But, he could shoot the 3 (not great, but okay), run, jump, handle the ball in the open court and was a pretty solid passer too. Every bit of 7 feet too.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

Dam the Lakers came back and won that game last night? I turned it off and went to bed with about 10 minutes left in the 4th

Yeah, they should have beat the Pelicans too.

 

[Great Dayne]

I agree.

Still though, would have had him at 16 instead of 14?

The kid I saw would have still probably been the number 1 prospect in the class 2 years ahead of him. He was that talented. His feel for the game was a little off. He was out of position a lot especially on defense (understandable for a young high school player).

But, he could shoot the 3 (not great, but okay), run, jump, handle the ball in the open court and was a pretty solid passer too. Every bit of 7 feet too.

We may never know his true age now. He's still younger than ROY last year in Brogdon.

He's 7 ft 1 inch now and has put on 20 lbs or so since he first came in. They have him consuming 6 thousand calories a day. I see the same great skills athleticism and size and he flashes those talents once or twice a game. His issue is consistency right now and I think he looks lost at times as well. His lack of confidence shows after making a bad play. He needs to learn how to forget those bad plays.

 

[trojanfan12]

Your post literally states "I think without question he will be the best ever"

lol

 

[ManuForever]

Giannis had 28/10/7 tonight. I figured I'd let everyone know before Great Dayne did. Haha i was first I WIN. HAHAHAHA.

/sarcasm

 

[Great Dayne]

Well the Greek God had his first bad game of the season with 28 points, 10 reb and 7 ast along with 3 steals and a block. Both teams started off shooting terrible on this trash court.

C's with their great coach created a great game plan to slow down Giannis. They made the surprise start to the athletic PF in Theis who was the Germany DPOY. Ojele gave Giannis fits as well. Kyrie took over in the 4th Q and Teletovic who made 5 three pointer in the last game missed 4 three pointers in the second half which was the difference of the game. Middleton forces too many dumb shots.

It sounds like Hayward could potentially come back as soon as February. Wow, I thought for sure he was done for the season. Good for him and the C's might have a chance after all. Right now they're even Steven vs the Bucks and both teams are missing their #2 option.

 

[Great Dayne]

Giannis had 28/10/7 tonight. I figured I'd let everyone know before Great Dayne did. Haha i was first I WIN. HAHAHAHA.

/sarcasm

Thanks but to do it properly you should include the defensive stats as well.

If you want something done right you have to do it yourself. Nice try though A for effort buddy.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Thanks but to do it properly you should include the defensive stats as well.

If you want something done right you have to do it yourself. Nice try though A for effort buddy.

In a loss...

 

[Great Dayne]

In a loss...

My C's won thank you very much. This just shows Tatum>> Broke Back Ball brother.


Ball with what a 30% FG% 55% FG% with 3 TO's 11.5 ppg and a 10 PER on a bad team which he handles the rock more than any other player.

Tatum with nearly 50% FG% 82% FT% 2.3 TP's 14 ppg and a 16 PER

lol @ Tragic Bronson falling for the BBB hype machine.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

My C's won thank you very much. This just shows Tatum>> Broke Back Ball brother.


Ball with what a 30% FG% 55% FG% with 3 TO's 11.5 ppg and a 10 PER on a bad team which he handles the rock more than any other player.

Tatum with nearly 50% FG% 82% FT% 2.3 TP's 14 ppg and a 16 PER

lol @ Tragic Bronson falling for the BBB hype machine.

What does this thread have to do with Lonzo?

 

[Great Dayne]

What does this thread have to do with Lonzo?

Everything has to do With Lozno


Signed

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