Jonathan Taylor requests trade

[eaglesnut]

If it's a 3 year $42M extension then his new contract is for 3 years + 13 games in 2023 for $46.3M. Without any firm details it sounds like $11.5M, $12.5M, and $13.5M for the next 3 years with 2023 & 2024 fully guaranteed + roster bonus guaranteed in 2025. It doesn't sound like a win for Taylor, but then his starting point was asking for the Moon. Anyway, good luck to both sides.

The 4.3 was already a problem of his previous contract. On this signing he got 14 a year for the next 3 with two of them guaranteed.

 

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The 4.3 was already a problem of his previous contract. On this signing he got 14 a year for the next 3 with two of them guaranteed.

He wasn't going to play for $4.3M, (and rightly so). He's effectively getting more than that now for 2023 so he isn't getting $14M for the other years.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

This is about the best the top RBs can expect in the current market. Probably what the Giants should have done with Saquon, tbh. Of course, Saquon's injury history and the fear of him getting hurt again play into that as well.

 

[Pure Steel]

Great news, now give him tomorrow off please….

I sat Moss today

 

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He wasn't going to play for $4.3M, (and rightly so). He's effectively getting more than that now for 2023 so he isn't getting $14M for the other years.

He's going to get $33M for 13 of 17 games in 2023 + the following 2 seasons. If his play falls off a cliff before 2025 the Colts can cut him before 2025 and save $5.85M. Obviously it isn't what Taylor was looking for but it's better than playing out 2023 for peanuts and hoping for $28.5M over the next 2 seasons.

 

[shopson67]

He's going to get $33M for 13 of 17 games in 2023 + the following 2 seasons. If his play falls off a cliff before 2025 the Colts can cut him before 2025 and save $5.85M. Obviously it isn't what Taylor was looking for but it's better than playing out 2023 for peanuts and hoping for $28.5M over the next 2 seasons.

His cap hits per Spotrac:

2023: $5.1M
2024: $10.9M
2025: $15.6M
2026: $15.6M

Colts can get out after 2025 for approx $2.6M in dead cap.

 

[eaglesnut]

His cap hits per Spotrac:

2023: $5.1M
2024: $10.9M
2025: $15.6M
2026: $15.6M

Colts can get out after 2025 for approx $2.6M in dead cap.

Yeah, like I was saying.

Not sure what game fastforward was playing with the numbers.

 

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His cap hits per Spotrac:

2023: $5.1M
2024: $10.9M
2025: $15.6M
2026: $15.6M

Colts can get out after 2025 for approx $2.6M in dead cap.

Cap hits were, are, and always will be the wrong way to look at a contract.

Taylor is now being paid $11.6M for 13 games this season and $8.3M for 17 games in 2024, (it's $19.9M fully guaranteed for the 2 seasons). Additionally $7.1M of the $13M he's due in 2025 will guarantee before the 2024 season...so he's likely to get that $13M unless his play falls off a cliff. If he's healthy and playing well he'll probably be holding out again at $13M before the start of 2026. If he isn't healthy and playing well he'll be cut before 2026.

To be clear: He's not playing for $4.3M this year and he's not getting $14M in any year. If he had played this year for $4.3M he would have needed to get $28.5M+ over the next 2 years, (which seems pretty unlikely), just to break even with the contract he has now signed.

This new deal is pretty much as was expected before the season began. I don't know whether the blame is on Taylor or the Colts for the delay, but it looks like Taylor.

 

[belcherboy]

This is a great deal for the Colts, and pretty good deal for Taylor too. They don’t have to go long term with him, and he will still be fairly young at the end of this contract. So if they do decide to drop him, he should have some decent market value.

 

[eaglesnut]

Cap hits were, are, and always will be the wrong way to look at a contract.

Taylor is now being paid $11.6M for 13 games this season and $8.3M for 17 games in 2024, (it's $19.9M fully guaranteed for the 2 seasons). Additionally $7.1M of the $13M he's due in 2025 will guarantee before the 2024 season...so he's likely to get that $13M unless his play falls off a cliff. If he's healthy and playing well he'll probably be holding out again at $13M before the start of 2026. If he isn't healthy and playing well he'll be cut before 2026.

To be clear: He's not playing for $4.3M this year and he's not getting $14M in any year. If he had played this year for $4.3M he would have needed to get $28.5M+ over the next 2 years, (which seems pretty unlikely), just to break even with the contract he has now signed.

This new deal is pretty much as was expected before the season began. I don't know whether the blame is on Taylor or the Colts for the delay, but it looks like Taylor.

Sounded like you had an agenda from the beginning.

 

[shopson67]

Cap hits were, are, and always will be the wrong way to look at a contract.

Taylor is now being paid $11.6M for 13 games this season and $8.3M for 17 games in 2024, (it's $19.9M fully guaranteed for the 2 seasons). Additionally $7.1M of the $13M he's due in 2025 will guarantee before the 2024 season...so he's likely to get that $13M unless his play falls off a cliff. If he's healthy and playing well he'll probably be holding out again at $13M before the start of 2026. If he isn't healthy and playing well he'll be cut before 2026.

To be clear: He's not playing for $4.3M this year and he's not getting $14M in any year. If he had played this year for $4.3M he would have needed to get $28.5M+ over the next 2 years, (which seems pretty unlikely), just to break even with the contract he has now signed.

This new deal is pretty much as was expected before the season began. I don't know whether the blame is on Taylor or the Colts for the delay, but it looks like Taylor.

In terms of impact on the team re: the cap, cap hit is all that matters. None of these teams are cash poor and managing acquisitions on that metric.

 

[shopson67]

This is a great deal for the Colts, and pretty good deal for Taylor too. They don’t have to go long term with him, and he will still be fairly young at the end of this contract. So if they do decide to drop him, he should have some decent market value.

Decent market value in a downward trending market for RBs may not be what he expects, but at least that gets pushed down the road a few years.

 

[belcherboy]

Decent market value in a downward trending market for RBs may not be what he expects, but at least that gets pushed down the road a few years.

I don't think he got what he expected with this contract anyway. I think these guys are starting to temper their expectations. They should see a little bump in pay though when the salary cap rises in the next few years. It seems like the numbers keep trending for a salary cap increase again in the next 2-3 seasons.

 

[shopson67]

I don't think he got what he expected with this contract anyway. I think these guys are starting to temper their expectations. They should see a little bump in pay though when the salary cap rises in the next few years. It seems like the numbers keep trending for a salary cap increase again in the next 2-3 seasons.

It's still the biggest contract since Henry got paid in 2020 I believe. Solid money in today's RB market.

 

[belcherboy]

It's still the biggest contract since Henry got paid in 2020 I believe. Solid money in today's RB market.

Absolutely, but no where near what he was wanting or expecting. That's why I said it was great deal for the Colts and a good deal for him.

 

[DJ]

This is a great deal for the Colts, and pretty good deal for Taylor too. They don’t have to go long term with him, and he will still be fairly young at the end of this contract. So if they do decide to drop him, he should have some decent market value.

Yep.

 

[DJ]

In terms of impact on the team re: the cap, cap hit is all that matters. None of these teams are cash poor and managing acquisitions on that metric.

Exactly.

 

[PDay8810]

This new deal is pretty much as was expected before the season began. I don't know whether the blame is on Taylor or the Colts for the delay, but it looks like Taylor.

without question this smells more Colts to me

 

[eaglesnut]

Absolutely, but no where near what he was wanting or expecting. That's why I said it was great deal for the Colts and a good deal for him.

He negotiated from 18. The Colts tried to pay him nothing. He got 14. More than any back in 3 years. The Colts were always in the weak position if they are trying to compete. That's why they so badly embarrassed themselves when he hit the trade market and they demanded a first rounder after talking shit.

 

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without question this smells more Colts to me

You could well be right. The Colts were very clearly trying to pressure Taylor into playing out his cheap rookie contract and then negotiating from a stronger position where Taylor had less leverage. Taylor wanted a longer, guaranteed contract beyond the NFL market rate. I can't find an article that definitively says "Taylor wants $XYZ" but it's clear he was looking for franchise tag+ money. If it requires missing offseason time and a few games for both sides to forge a solid deal then so be it. As a comparison McCaffrey agreed a deal in his 4th season that ripped up his rookie contract and replaced it with a $39.17M deal over 3 years with 3 additional non-guaranteed years at $12M per year. The extension headline figure was $16M per, but that's bollocks numbers for media and fans. Taylor is getting $33M over 3 years with an additional non-guaranteed year at $13M. He's not as valuable as McCaffrey.