Jay Cutler

[Peter Gozintite]

Greatest QB or Greatest QB of all time?

Discuss, or argue, I'm really bored.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

what's going on Peter? Who you like in the Super Bowl?

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

Greatest Bear QB of all time.

 

[wood20ks]

Greatest Bear QB of all time.

No Joe.......

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

Cutler is a tough mother fucker. He's also a huge pussy. He's a QB with a high iq that makes stupid throws every game.

 

[richig07]

No Joe.......

Other than Luckman, who essentially played a different game. Who?

 

[anotheridiot]

Other than Luckman, who essentially played a different game. Who?

Exactly the point, put him in San francisco and ask if he was better than montana and young and it means something. We can agree on Bears GOAT, we just have different definitions.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Don Shy, greatest Bears QB ever. Every pass he threw resulted in a TD.

Of course, he only threw one pass...

 

[beardown07]

Jay
Eric Kramer
Jimmmy Mac
Jim Miller


Those are the only 4 worth their weight in shit, in my lifetime. Out of those, Jay is the best and it's really not that close.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

No Joe.......

Who you got then Wood?

 

[beardown07]

It really is just a testament to the laundry list of shitty QB's we've had.

It is why so many are reluctant to cast Jay aside. Is he great? Nope. Is he the best we've ever had? Unfortunately.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

there are obviously issues with using QB Rating, and especially in doing so for QBs of today versus QBs of yesteryear, so this just falls under the "For What It's Worth" category...but here are all; Bear QBs with at least 250 passes ranked:

1 Josh McCown 101
2 Jay Cutler 85.5
3 Erik Kramer 80.7
4 Jim McMahon 80.4
5 Steve Walsh 77.9
6 Jim Miller 76.7
7 Dave Krieg 76.3
8 Shane Matthews 75.1
9 Sid Luckman 75
10 Jim Harbaugh 74.2
11 Brian Griese 74.1
12 Billy Wade 73.6
13 Rudy Bukich 72.9
14 Kyle Orton 71.1
15 Rex Grossman 70.2
16 Chris Chandler 69.8
17 Cade McNown 67.7
18 Johnny Lujack 65.3
19 Ed Brown 62.5
20 Mike Tomczak 62.5
21 Vince Evans 57.3
22 Bernie Masterson 57.2
23 Mike Phipps 57.1
24 Kordell Stewart 56.8
25 Jack Concannon 55.6
26 Bob Avellini 54.8
27 George Blanda 51.3
28 Gary Huff 49.8
29 Bobby Douglass 47.5
30 Zeke Bratkowski 46.4

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

and here's more for fun....this time by W/L percentage as a starter:

1 Jim McMahon 46-15-0

0.754​

2 Steve Walsh 8-3

0.727​

3 Mike Phipps 14-6-0

0.700​

4 Johnny Lujack 13-6-0

0.684​

5 Mike Tomczak 21-10-0

0.677​

6 Zeke Bratkowski 9-5

0.643​

7 Kyle Orton 21-12-0

0.636​

8 Ed Brown 41-25-2

0.621​

9 Rex Grossman 19-12-0

0.613​

10 Rudy Bukich 17-11-2

0.607​

11 Jim Miller 15-11-0

0.577​

12 Billy Wade 27-20-2

0.574​

13 Josh McCown 4-3

0.571​

14 Jim Harbaugh 35-30-0

0.538​

15 Shane Matthews 8-7

0.533​

16 Jay Cutler 50-47-0

0.515​

17 Dave Krieg 6-6

0.500​

18 Brian Griese 3-3

0.500​

19 Bob Avellini 23-27-0

0.460​

20 Jack Concannon 17-22-1

0.436​

21 George Blanda 8-12

0.400​

22 Erik Kramer 18-28-0

0.391​

23 Chris Chandler 5-8

0.385​

24 Vince Evans 12-20

0.375​

25 Bobby Douglass 13-31-1

0.295​

26 Kordell Stewart 2-5

0.286​

27 Gary Huff 5-17

0.227​

28 Cade McNown 3-12

0.200​

Sid Luckman N/A
Bernie Masterson N/A

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

and lastly, here's one more, sorted by playoff wins:

Rank Quarterback Games Wins Losses
Started pct
1 Sid Luckman*† 6 5 1

0.83​

2 Jim McMahon 5 3 2

0.60​

3 Mike Tomczak 3 2 1

0.67​

4 Rex Grossman 4 2 2

0.50​

5 Bill Wade 1 1 0

1.00​

6 Carl Brumbaugh* 2 1 1

0.50​

6 Steve Fuller 2 1 1

0.50​

6 Jay Cutler 2 1 1

0.50​

9 Steve Walsh 2 1 1

0.50​

10 Jim Harbaugh 1 0 1

0.00​

10 Bob Avellini 1 0 1

0.00​

10 Ed Brown 1 0 1

0.00​

10 Sonny Lujack 1 0 1

0.00​

10 Bernie Masterson 1 0 1

0.00​

10 Jim Miller 1 0 1

0.00​

10 Doug Flutie 1 0 1

0.00​

10 Mike Phipps 1 0 1

0.00​

 

[wood20ks]

Other than Luckman, who essentially played a different game. Who?

Jimmy Mac...... Loved his style..... Loved his leadership.........And I still think had he played during the 86 playoffs when we went 14-2 instead of Flutie,wed won back to back SBs.

So it was more than just defense back in the day.

 

[wood20ks]

No Joe.......

Look up^^^^^^

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Jimmy Mac...... Loved his style..... Loved his leadership.........And I still think had he played during the 86 playoffs when we went 14-2 instead of Flutie,wed won back to back SBs.

So it was more than just defense back in the day.

I absolutely agree with you 100%. Healthy McMahon, second Super Bowl. Period. The Bears would definitely have won a 2nd Super Bowl if it wasn't for the fucking Packers. I was actually at the game where Jimmy got slammed, I can tell you without a doubt that practically very Bears fan in old Soldier wanted to kill the Packers for doing that. The single biggest strike against Green Bay in that entire franchise's history.

 

[wood20ks]

I absolutely agree with you 100%. Healthy McMahon, second Super Bowl. Period. The Bears would definitely have won a 2nd Super Bowl if it wasn't for the fucking Packers. I was actually at the game where Jimmy got slammed, I can tell you without a doubt that practically very Bears fan in old Soldier wanted to kill the Packers for doing that. The single biggest strike against Green Bay in that entire franchise's history.

Small world so was I......I remember all the fans in my section(south endzone) was standing up screaming,I was chanting charge the field.
I remember it like t was yesterday......

 

[richig07]

Exactly the point, put him in San francisco and ask if he was better than montana and young and it means something. We can agree on Bears GOAT, we just have different definitions.

I don't understand what you're saying. I think we have the same definition.

Is being the Bears GOAT QB a phenomenal achievement? No.

Is Cutler the Bears GOAT QB? Yes. Which was the only question at hand here.

I'm not under any delusions that obtaining the title is some grand achievement.

 

[richig07]

Jimmy Mac...... Loved his style..... Loved his leadership.........And I still think had he played during the 86 playoffs when we went 14-2 instead of Flutie,wed won back to back SBs.

So it was more than just defense back in the day.

Lol. Give me a break.

He had a worse TD-INT ratio than Cutler. Who you constantly rip on about turnovers. Not to mention, did so with an all-pro line, HOF RB and GOAT defense of all-time on the other side of him. After leaving Chicago, he threw more INT's than he did TD's. You're really being blinded by your anti-Cutler bias here man. It's not even close.

"I still think had he played during the 86 playoffs instead of Flutie, we would have won back to back SB's". Unfortunately, apart of McMahon being your QB. Is that he was on the sidelines more than he played.

And guess what? Odds are if Cutler plays in 2006, the Bears have a damn good shot at beating the Colts for the SB.

Feel free to like him more, but saying he was better is just silly.