Has Saban accomplished more in football…

[Wamu]

Who is that, meeeechegan QB for this year?

 

[Wamu]

If you ignore the fact that Jimmy Jam hasn't won a damn thing he really is the bestest CFB coach of all time.

 

[7Samurai13]

If you ignore the fact that Jimmy Jam hasn't won a damn thing he really is the bestest coach of all time.

FIFY

 

[B_dub]

Raise your hand if you are surprised that @TrustMeIamRight took the cock out of the OP and put it in his own mouth.

Just an injury...

 

[Wamu]

FIFY

Damn right! That's was a great correction.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

So Harbaugh walking into a dream situation with a wealth of talent on the roster proves that he is a better coach than Saban walking into a program with next to no talent and hit with sanctions? You have got to be trolling.

The only dream about the situation was that it was his alma mater. Unless taking over a team a 5-7 team, no quarterback and less than 30 days to salvage any type of recruiting class, when you've had zero contact with any HS recruits in over 4 years, is a dream situation.

And Saban doesn't need any talent. He develops his own. Look at the jump in play from Tony Banks after Saban took over. He went from 11 TD and 6 ints pre-Saban to 9 TD and 15 ints. You can't pay enough for that type of coaching. And how many coaches can take a .500 team and in 4 years, turn them into a .500 team? The guy is a miracle worker I tell you.

OR...............he is a great coach in the one conference where he can utilize his best coaching attribute. Recruiting.

 

[B_dub]

The only dream about the situation was that it was his alma mater. Unless taking over a team a 5-7 team, no quarterback and less than 30 days to salvage any type of recruiting class, when you've had zero contact with any HS recruits in over 4 years, is a dream situation.

And Saban doesn't need any talent. He develops his own. Look at the jump in play from Tony Banks after Saban took over. He went from 11 TD and 6 ints pre-Saban to 9 TD and 15 ints. You can't pay enough for that type of coaching. And how many coaches can take a .500 team and in 4 years, turn them into a .500 team? The guy is a miracle worker I tell you.

OR...............he is a great coach in the one conference where he can utilize his best coaching attribute. Recruiting.

 

[gpm1976]

The only dream about the situation was that it was his alma mater. Unless taking over a team a 5-7 team, no quarterback and less than 30 days to salvage any type of recruiting class, when you've had zero contact with any HS recruits in over 4 years, is a dream situation.

And Saban doesn't need any talent. He develops his own. Look at the jump in play from Tony Banks after Saban took over. He went from 11 TD and 6 ints pre-Saban to 9 TD and 15 ints. You can't pay enough for that type of coaching. And how many coaches can take a .500 team and in 4 years, turn them into a .500 team? The guy is a miracle worker I tell you.

OR...............he is a great coach in the one conference where he can utilize his best coaching attribute. Recruiting.

I'm sure there was plenty of contact..

 

[bamabear82]

At some point it's all gonna come together for him...

 

[7Samurai13]

The only dream about the situation was that it was his alma mater. Unless taking over a team a 5-7 team, no quarterback and less than 30 days to salvage any type of recruiting class, when you've had zero contact with any HS recruits in over 4 years, is a dream situation.

And Saban doesn't need any talent. He develops his own. Look at the jump in play from Tony Banks after Saban took over. He went from 11 TD and 6 ints pre-Saban to 9 TD and 15 ints. You can't pay enough for that type of coaching. And how many coaches can take a .500 team and in 4 years, turn them into a .500 team? The guy is a miracle worker I tell you.

OR...............he is a great coach in the one conference where he can utilize his best coaching attribute. Recruiting.

How many coaches walk into a situation where you have two top ten classes as their upper classmen and have a brand that recruits itself? The only reason they were 5-7 was because Hoke couldn't coach.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

at the age of 53, than Coach Harbaugh? Harbaugh’s only been a HC at “major schools” for 6 seasons. Sir Nick, has been coaching at the majors for 21 years! Things Saban only wishes he could have been.

- Starting QB in P5 Conference

- BIG 10 MVP

- 1st Round Draft Pick NFL

- Pro Bowl NFL Player

- AFC Player of the Year

- 14 NFL Career as a Player

- NFC Champion HC

- NFL HC of the Year



I’m sure “little Nicky” would give up all those College Championships for just ONE of these Coach Harbaugh has on his resume…Obviously, Jimmy Jam has been a little busy kicking ass and taking names at being a more successful football guy.

 

[B_dub]

Thrustme, and OP be like:

Spoiler

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

How many coaches walk into a situation where you have two top ten classes as their upper classmen and have a brand that recruits itself? The only reason they were 5-7 was because Hoke couldn't coach.

Yeah. Other than not having a QB, an OL that was terrible, no talent at LB and losing Frank Clark, Jake Ryan and Brennan Beyer, who were their 3 best players on defense. It was a dream.

 

[7Samurai13]

Yeah. Other than not having a QB, an OL that was terrible, no talent at LB and losing Frank Clark, Jake Ryan and Brennan Beyer, who were their 3 best players on defense. It was a dream.

13 players drafted from those classes. Only Clemson, Ohio State, and Alabama had more. Ton of talent > no talent.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

13 players drafted from those classes. Only Clemson, Ohio State, and Alabama had more. Ton of talent > no talent.

I have no doubt he developed the talent on the roster. It doesn't change the fact the most important position on the team had no talent coming back and he had no time to recruit it. This year will be the first year a QB he recruited will be on the active roster.

UM didn't lose 3 games last year because of the defense. The defense gave up 12 points to Iowa and 3 points to OSU in regulation. They didn't lose the games because Chesson, Darboh and Butt were dropping passes. They lost because the only worthwhile QB they had was horrendous. I'd think as a MSU fan, getting to see firsthand this past year, how a QB can kill a team.

There is one team who can get away with an average QB -- it is Alabama. They also have arguably the best OL recruits every year and 5 star RB's backing up 5 star RB's. No one is going to confuse De'Veon Smith as an elite RB.

 

[4down20]

13 players drafted from those classes. Only Clemson, Ohio State, and Alabama had more. Ton of talent > no talent.

In addition to the players, Harbaugh has had time to recruit.

There is really no excuse for it, especially from this dumbass who likes to pretend Saban is only successful because of talent.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

In addition to the players, Harbaugh has had time to recruit.

There is really no excuse for it, especially from this dumbass who likes to pretend Saban is only successful because of talent.

He had one recruiting class and those players did help last year, who contributed. Chris Evans was our best RB. Rashan Gary played great in the games he filled in for Taco Charlton as a starter. Ben Bredeson took over as a starter on the OL. Kekoa Crawford and Eddie McDoom contributed as WR's. The position none of them play is QB. That is what killed UM last year, it isn't a secret.

And I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong and show where Saban took lesser talent and won anything? When your the most talented team by a landslide and you have the #1 recruiting class SEVEN years in a row, that makes life quite easy. Think of it like this -- it'd be like giving the super bowl champ the #1 pick in the draft every year.

 

[4down20]

He had one recruiting class and those players did help last year, who contributed. Chris Evans was our best RB. Rashan Gary played great in the games he filled in for Taco Charlton as a starter. Ben Bredeson took over as a starter on the OL. Kekoa Crawford and Eddie McDoom contributed as WR's. The position none of them play is QB. That is what killed UM last year, it isn't a secret.

And I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong and show where Saban took lesser talent and won anything? When your the most talented team by a landslide and you have the #1 recruiting class SEVEN years in a row, that makes life quite easy. Think of it like this -- it'd be like giving the super bowl champ the #1 pick in the draft every year.

Class ranks of Alabama 4 years before Saban:

2006: 15th
2005: 21st
2004: 30th
2003: 41st

Class ranks of Michigan 4 years before Harbaugh:

2014: 20th
2013: 4th
2012: 6th
2011: 26th

Saban's 1st 2 classes:

2007: 13th
2008: 3rd

Harbaugh's 1st 2 classes:

2015: 37th
2016: 6th

Fact: Harbaugh inherited more talent than Saban did at Alabama, and the best he could achieve was 3rd place...in his own division...in easier competition....without the negative image/sanctions Alabama had accumulated over the previous 7 years.

 

[7Samurai13]

Class ranks of Alabama 4 years before Saban:

2006: 15th
2005: 21st
2004: 30th
2003: 41st

Class ranks of Michigan 4 years before Harbaugh:

2014: 20th
2013: 4th
2012: 6th
2011: 26th

Saban's 1st 2 classes:

2007: 13th
2008: 3rd

Harbaugh's 1st 2 classes:

2015: 37th
2016: 6th

Fact: Harbaugh inherited more talent than Saban did at Alabama, and the best he could achieve was 3rd place...in his own division...in easier competition....without the negative image/sanctions Alabama had accumulated over the previous 7 years.

Before it's brought up about the first class,
Saban was hired January 3rd, 2007, signing day February 7th
Harbaugh was hired December 30, 2014, signing day February 5th.

 

[7Samurai13]

First recruiting classes (according to 247sports)
Alabama 31 players, average score 83.53
Michigan 14 players, average score 87.81

And despite what some will tell you, Michigan had two QB's in that class, one was ranked as the #8 pro style QB that has since been converted to TE "as soon as he stepped foot on campus" (that Harbaugh flipped to Michigan) and the other was ranked #12 pro style QB in the class. Both were top 300 players. There was 15 pro style QBs in that class.