David Shaw: CFP should look at full schedules

[TheRobotDevil]

Not out-of-conference teams, they don't.

I tried to be polite earlier in this thread. The PAC12 is regarded
by the general public as being weak. That goes along with the
adage that I used earlier..."perception is reality."

Beating another Pac12 team doesn't help your league change
the perception. If people view your league as weak you can only

change that by playing teams from other P5 leagues and beating
them.

The only Pac12 team that has national respect is USC. They
have always traveled the country and taken on the best. They
don't always win, but they still play tough opponents and they've
won enough of them to garner respect.

The Pac12 has a perception problem. The country thinks it is
weak. There is only ONE WAY to change that perception, play
P5 teams from other leagues and win.

You can't prove that you're better than other leagues if you
beat another Pac12 team.

Ans with a record of 3-5 in the last 4 years in the 7 elite bowl
games, that ain't exactly helping cause.

In the 4 year history of the Playoff system. (Including Bowl Games)

The ACC has played 113 games vs other P5 teams.
The Big10 95
The SEC 72
The Pac12 70
The Big12 62

You may think you're keeping up with the ACC, but you've
got a long way to go.

btw...The ACC and the SEC have never missed being in the playoffs. That perception thingy is kinda real.

This is where You're confused. I get the shift the goal post skew numbers thing. But Shaw has very valid points. Friday night games are more difficult than playing every game on saturday. Not just because of a shortened week but the athletes are working around classes.

While I get you like the FCS bye week/easy win. Common slogic dictates it has direct effect on conference win loss. Which effects rankings. And another reason you'll never see the ACC or SEC go 9 conference. Bowl eligibility. Too many teams afraid of missing out on a bowl game. Because they need the easy W to get in. Tbh I don't think FCS should be counted in winl/loss totals. Get rid go the minor league thing and up the competition level.

Or go with a 6 team play offs with the 5 P% conference champions. A mid major Champion. And let the committee choose the last two wild cards. Gives such more credibility to the system and National championship. Rather than deciding a championship behind closed doors......

 

[Deep Creek]

Let's be reasonable here. The committee would still have placed a two-loss Alabama team into the playoff over an undefeated UCF team - even if one of the Knight's wins was over the Tide.

That's how much chance a G5 team has of making the playoffs in the current environment.

I was talking more about a P5 team going through a weak division undefeated, not play a decent cross division rival, not play an OOC worth a damn, squeaking out a CCG win and still be undefeated. Would they have placed a two loss Bama (or another one loss team) in over a P5 with a similar resume to UCF?

 

[nddulac]

I was talking more about a P5 team going through a weak division undefeated, not play a decent cross division rival, not play an OOC worth a damn, squeaking out a CCG win and still be undefeated. Would they have placed a two loss Bama (or another one loss team) in over a P5 with a similar resume to UCF?

I was really being facetious. I just think there is a better chance of finding a snowball in hell than the committee ever placing a G5 team into a four-team playoff.

But to answer your question, There is no way that an undefeated P5 team would not make the playoffs. For starters, they would be the champions of a P5 conference.

 

[Deep Creek]

In terms of strength of schedule, it is probably no different. But in terms of fan interest, I think more inter-conference play would be great. I would certainly not be against such a plan.

 

[Deep Creek]

I was really being facetious. I just think there is a better chance of finding a snowball in hell than the committee ever placing a G5 team into a four-team playoff.

But to answer your question, There is no way that an undefeated P5 team would not make the playoffs. For starters, they would be the champions of a P5 conference.

I agree...which is why I think the G5 needs their own playoff. ALL the P5 conferences would really have to have some cluster fucks for a G5 to sneak in. And only then if they have a couple of OOC wins over top 10 teams.

 

[nddulac]

I agree...which is why I think the G5 needs their own playoff. ALL the P5 conferences would really have to have some cluster fucks for a G5 to sneak in. And only then if they have a couple of OOC wins over top 10 teams.

If the G5s could get three bowls to into a plan, they could form their own G5 playoff system. It would also lower the possibility of placing 5-7 teams into bowls by eliminating two teams from the pool.

Again, I would not be opposed to this idea.

 

[4down20]

I wonder if anyone could think of a methodology that would average over an entire distribution of data so as to avoid the kinds of difficulties that cherry picking would introduce?

I already posted a good method for it.

 

[Deep Creek]

If the G5s could get three bowls to into a plan, they could form their own G5 playoff system. It would also lower the possibility of placing 5-7 teams into bowls by eliminating two teams from the pool.

Again, I would not be opposed to this idea.

The factor that keeps it from happening is the money the CFP provides the G5s. It is a significant amount...in their world. Obviously it isn't P5 type money but a big chunk. The G5s TV money is very paultry.

 

[7Samurai13]

Not out-of-conference teams, they don't.

I tried to be polite earlier in this thread. The PAC12 is regarded
by the general public as being weak. That goes along with the
adage that I used earlier..."perception is reality."

Beating another Pac12 team doesn't help your league change
the perception. If people view your league as weak you can only

change that by playing teams from other P5 leagues and beating
them.

The only Pac12 team that has national respect is USC. They
have always traveled the country and taken on the best. They
don't always win, but they still play tough opponents and they've
won enough of them to garner respect.

The Pac12 has a perception problem. The country thinks it is
weak. There is only ONE WAY to change that perception, play
P5 teams from other leagues and win.

You can't prove that you're better than other leagues if you
beat another Pac12 team.

Ans with a record of 3-5 in the last 4 years in the 7 elite bowl
games, that ain't exactly helping cause.

In the 4 year history of the Playoff system. (Including Bowl Games)

The ACC has played 113 games vs other P5 teams.
The Big10 95
The SEC 72
The Pac12 70
The Big12 62

You may think you're keeping up with the ACC, but you've
got a long way to go.

btw...The ACC and the SEC have never missed being in the playoffs. That perception thingy is kinda real.

Bowl Games are not selected by choice.

In actual Out of Conference games
Boston College played 3 P5 teams out of 16 games
Clemson 8
Duke 6
FSU 8
GTech 7
Louisville 7
Miami 4
NC State 3 (two years playing none)
UNC 7
Pitt 7
Syracuse 5
Virginia 6 (if you want to include BYU)
VTech 6
Wake 5

With most of those games being against Notre Dame because of the ACC strong arming them into playing there in football so they can join the other sports.

So that’s 82 games out of 224 available games or 36.6% of opportunities. I will do the Big Ten’s later.

 

[cwerph]

I was talking more about a P5 team going through a weak division undefeated, not play a decent cross division rival, not play an OOC worth a damn, squeaking out a CCG win and still be undefeated. Would they have placed a two loss Bama (or another one loss team) in over a P5 with a similar resume to UCF?

The CFP will never exclude Alabama. It's in the contract.

 

[7Samurai13]

The CFP will never exclude Alabama. It's in the contract.

They also try as hard as they can to include Ohio State.

 

[NolePride]

Bowl Games are not selected by choice.

In actual Out of Conference games
Boston College played 3 P5 teams out of 16 games
Clemson 8
Duke 6
FSU 8
GTech 7
Louisville 7
Miami 4
NC State 3 (two years playing none)
UNC 7
Pitt 7
Syracuse 5
Virginia 6 (if you want to include BYU)
VTech 6
Wake 5

With most of those games being against Notre Dame because of the ACC strong arming them into playing there in football so they can join the other sports.

So that’s 82 games out of 224 available games or 36.6% of opportunities. I will do the Big Ten’s later.

The Notre Dame part.

The ACC didn't strong arm Notre Dame. That was Swofford thinking he was doing the league a favor.

That entire deal favors ND not the ACC.

If Swofford would have backed away from ND...they might have
had to opt for a league, instead the ACC has allowed ND to remain
an Indy in football forever.

ND's non-football teams were playing the in the Big East, in all
sports but football. When the Big East was lowered from a BCS
league, ND wanted all their teams out because thy had a similar
football deal with the BE.

ND gets a credible home for its non football sports. We have to fly
our tennis team 1200 miles for a match.

If ND doesn't qualify for an Elite Bowl/Playoffs, they get an ACC
Bowl game. They have to share the money with the league. If they get an Elite Bowl/Playoff invite, they pocket all the money
and have to share nothing. PLUS, it is very possible that ND getting a playoff berth could knock an ACC team out of the playoffs.

That asshole Swofford got taken to the woodshed by ND.

It was getting difficult for ND to schedule good teams in the
middle of the football season as an Independent and the ACC
agreed to schedule them whenever.

ND can always remain an Indy now in football. Thanks to the
ACC. Wake Forest, Duke, Pitt, SU may have been happy but
FSU certainly wasn't and a few of the other better teams were
against this move.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Bowl Games are not selected by choice.

In actual Out of Conference games
Boston College played 3 P5 teams out of 16 games
Clemson 8
Duke 6
FSU 8
GTech 7
Louisville 7
Miami 4
NC State 3 (two years playing none)
UNC 7
Pitt 7
Syracuse 5
Virginia 6 (if you want to include BYU)
VTech 6
Wake 5

With most of those games being against Notre Dame because of the ACC strong arming them into playing there in football so they can join the other sports.

So that’s 82 games out of 224 available games or 36.6% of opportunities. I will do the Big Ten’s later.

Yeah I tried explaining this to that jackass and all’s I got was “I just know how they select the teams
and what they want to see from them...schedule wise.”

Good luck

 

[7Samurai13]

Bowl Games are not selected by choice.

In actual Out of Conference games
Boston College played 3 P5 teams out of 16 games
Clemson 8
Duke 6
FSU 8
GTech 7
Louisville 7
Miami 4
NC State 3 (two years playing none)
UNC 7
Pitt 7
Syracuse 5
Virginia 6 (if you want to include BYU)
VTech 6
Wake 5

With most of those games being against Notre Dame because of the ACC strong arming them into playing there in football so they can join the other sports.

So that’s 82 games out of 224 available games or 36.6% of opportunities. I will do the Big Ten’s later.

In 2014 and 2015 the Big Ten played 4 non conference games while in 2016 and 12017 they played 3.

Illinois played 3
Indiana 4
Iowa 6
Maryland 4
Michigan 6
Michigan State 5 (including BYU)
Minnesota 4
Nebraska 5
Northwestern 6
Ohio State 4
Penn State 2 (two years with none)
Purdue 4
Rutgers 5
Wisconsin 4

So the Big Ten played 62 P5 opponents out of 196 available games or 31.6% of games.

 

[PIBuckeye]

"Alabama, the No. 1 ranked team in the AP Top 25 poll, has the 16th toughest schedule. Ohio State (25th) also has a tough road. Oklahoma (55) and Clemson (70), meanwhile, should have no problem with their respective schedules."

top 4 teams expected to make the playoffs.............

Must be nice to have the 55th and 70th toughest schedules to get there........ Hopefully SOS will be considered in determining the top 4........

"......should have no problem......."............ thats an understatement.

 

[SteelersPride]

"Alabama, the No. 1 ranked team in the AP Top 25 poll, has the 16th toughest schedule. Ohio State (25th) also has a tough road. Oklahoma (55) and Clemson (70), meanwhile, should have no problem with their respective schedules."

top 4 teams expected to make the playoffs.............

Must be nice to have the 55th and 70th toughest schedules to get there........ Hopefully SOS will be considered in determining the top 4........

"......should have no problem......."............ thats an understatement.

Thats usually osu’s gig. Also bama has only won the nattty 1 time under saban when they r pre season #1

 

[PIBuckeye]

Thats usually osu’s gig. Also bama has only won the nattty 1 time under saban when they r pre season #1

I'm just trying to stir the CFB pot, as this page is practically dead........

but seriously. 55 and 70 is bad......

 

[SteelersPride]

I'm just trying to stir the CFB pot, as this page is practically dead........

but seriously. 55 and 70 is bad......

Oh im doing the same by poking at osu. Im a pitt guy, wtf do i have? It is bad, but pre season sos usually seems to be wildly variable year after year

 

[cwalke3408]

I'm just trying to stir the CFB pot, as this page is practically dead........

but seriously. 55 and 70 is bad......

Here come THE ExcuseSUs

 

[PIBuckeye]

Here come THE ExcuseSUs

lol.

What excuses. just pointing out embarrassingly bad strength of schedules to get to the playoffs.........

Maybe a minimum ranking of SOS should be factored in to determining the 4 teams. hmmm. like must be #50 or better........... ??? Maybe that undefeated #5 ranked team at the end of November, who played a top 10 ranked SOS should get the nod over a #4 ranked team who played an easy #70 ranked schedule........