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David Shaw: CFP should look at full schedules

7Samurai13

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You're attempting to alter the topic.

My posts have been about controlling perception. Not about
who plays the most.

My info was about teams/leagues boasting of playing 9 league
games and believing it helps change perception...it does not.
You MUST beat teams from other P5 leagues to change perception.

But, I'll play and show you the averages.

ACC 113 games divided by 4 seasons is 28.3 per year divided
by 14 teams...Each school averages 2 games a year.

Big10 averages 1.7 per year.

SEC averages 1.6 per year (I had a typo....SEC has played 92 games not 72 as listed)

Big12 averages 1.6 per year

Pac12 averages 1.5 per year.

It's not a feather in your cap to play 9 conf games and not play
teams from other P5 leagues. It is stupid scheduling. It is
trying to hide conf weaknesses by avoiding being compared
to other leagues. Especially, because when this goes to the
committee, they will want to see how you stack up against the
other P5 leagues. Which is why the Big12, the Pac12 and the Big10 have all had seasons in the last 4 where they were not
represented in the playoffs.

Again...it is not about how many OOC games you play...it is about not being able
to change perception
You are also not taking into account that the ACC has 14 more opportunities to play P5 teams so they, in reality are playing .7 less over an entire season as compared to the big ten.
 

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You're attempting to alter the topic.

My posts have been about controlling perception. Not about
who plays the most.

My info was about teams/leagues boasting of playing 9 league
games and believing it helps change perception...it does not.
You MUST beat teams from other P5 leagues to change perception.

But, I'll play and show you the averages.

ACC 113 games divided by 4 seasons is 28.3 per year divided
by 14 teams...Each school averages 2 games a year.

Big10 averages 1.7 per year.

SEC averages 1.6 per year (I had a typo....SEC has played 92 games not 72 as listed)

Big12 averages 1.6 per year

Pac12 averages 1.5 per year.

It's not a feather in your cap to play 9 conf games and not play
teams from other P5 leagues. It is stupid scheduling. It is
trying to hide conf weaknesses by avoiding being compared
to other leagues. Especially, because when this goes to the
committee, they will want to see how you stack up against the
other P5 leagues. Which is why the Big12, the Pac12 and the Big10 have all had seasons in the last 4 where they were not
represented in the playoffs.

Again...it is not about how many OOC games you play...it is about not being able
to change perception
I agree that teams need to go play good teams. But it seems now too many of them are just banking on a crappy OOC, winning their division w/o difficult crossover games, winning the CCG, having an undefeated schedule (even if it is bad) and putting that in the laps of the CFP committee. The committee didn't fall far it with UCF. I'm wondering if they'd fall for it with a P5?
 

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You are also not taking into account that the ACC has 14 more opportunities to play P5 teams so they, in reality are playing .7 less over an entire season as compared to the big ten.

Damn! I explained that.

You are still ducking good competition from other P5 leagues
to play a 9th league game.

The fucking 9th league game hurts you...it does not help you
change perception.

Do you need charts and graphs to understand this?
 

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I agree that teams need to go play good teams. But it seems now too many of them are just banking on a crappy OOC, winning their division w/o difficult crossover games, winning the CCG, having an undefeated schedule (even if it is bad) and putting that in the laps of the CFP committee. The committee didn't fall far it with UCF. I'm wondering if they'd fall for it with a P5?

Ask Wisconsin.

They couldn't crack the top 4 until enough teams had lost and when
they lost their league title game...they were out.

They were punished all year for not playing a P5 team from another league, and they'll be punished again this year.

They want you playing teams from the other 4 leagues.
 

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Damn! I explained that.

You are still ducking good competition from other P5 leagues
to play a 9th league game.

The fucking 9th league game hurts you...it does not help you
change perception.

Do you need charts and graphs to understand this?
You are not necessarily “ducking good competition”. One of Clemson’s games is South Carolina, not exactly stiff competition. Georgia has Georgia Tech. Kentucky and Louisville. And if you have a team like Florida who’s playing two FCS teams they aren’t exactly stepping up to the challenge.
 

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Damn! I explained that.

You are still ducking good competition from other P5 leagues
to play a 9th league game.

The fucking 9th league game hurts you...it does not help you
change perception.

Do you need charts and graphs to understand this?

Are you pretending to be stupid or does it just come naturally?

There is no UNIFROM POLICY regarding ooc for P5. Pretending most of the SEC and ACC play a P5 let alone a P5 with “good competition” with their 4th ooc game is stupidity at its finest.
 

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You are not necessarily “ducking good competition”. One of Clemson’s games is South Carolina, not exactly stiff competition. Georgia has Georgia Tech. Kentucky and Louisville. And if you have a team like Florida who’s playing two FCS teams they aren’t exactly stepping up to the challenge.

They're all better than your cross over games of Illinois, Purdue and
Minnesota.
 

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Are you pretending to be stupid or does it just come naturally?

There is no UNIFROM POLICY regarding ooc for P5. Pretending most of the SEC and ACC play a P5 let alone a P5 with “good competition” with their 4th ooc game is stupidity at its finest.

I'm not pretending anything. I just know how they select the teams
and what they want to see from them...schedule wise.
 

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They're all better than your cross over games of Illinois, Purdue and
Minnesota.
We don’t play Illinois or Minnesota this year. And are we going to pretend that the ACC doesn’t have trash like the BigTen? I have been a big proponent of 8 conference games and two required P5 games but no conference out there is pushing that.
 

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Ask Wisconsin.

They couldn't crack the top 4 until enough teams had lost and when
they lost their league title game...they were out.

They were punished all year for not playing a P5 team from another league, and they'll be punished again this year.

They want you playing teams from the other 4 leagues.
You missed it. I said if they were undefeated...won the CCG, would the CFP have put them in?
 

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You are not necessarily “ducking good competition”. One of Clemson’s games is South Carolina, not exactly stiff competition. Georgia has Georgia Tech. Kentucky and Louisville. And if you have a team like Florida who’s playing two FCS teams they aren’t exactly stepping up to the challenge.
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Damn! I explained that.

You are still ducking good competition from other P5 leagues
to play a 9th league game.

The fucking 9th league game hurts you...it does not help you
change perception.

Do you need charts and graphs to understand this?

10/12 PAC-12 teams play at least one P5 from another conference this year (using BYU as P5 per the SEC/ACC mandate) and three of them play two. They are not ducking teams from the other conferences. Cal and UCLA beat SEC teams last year but that didn't change anybody's perception and SECSPN still touted A&M and Ole Miss as good wins for of the other SEC teams. The PAC had a bad bowl year last year but that is generally. It's not like the ACC has always been some monster either. At one point Utah alone had more BCS bowl wins than the entire ACC and that was as a G5.
 

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I agree that teams need to go play good teams. But it seems now too many of them are just banking on a crappy OOC, winning their division w/o difficult crossover games, winning the CCG, having an undefeated schedule (even if it is bad) and putting that in the laps of the CFP committee. The committee didn't fall far it with UCF. I'm wondering if they'd fall for it with a P5?
Let's be reasonable here. The committee would still have placed a two-loss Alabama team into the playoff over an undefeated UCF team - even if one of the Knight's wins was over the Tide.

That's how much chance a G5 team has of making the playoffs in the current environment.
 

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We don’t play Illinois or Minnesota this year. And are we going to pretend that the ACC doesn’t have trash like the BigTen? I have been a big proponent of 8 conference games and two required P5 games but no conference out there is pushing that.
That would be great for fans . . bad for P5 bowl eligibility.
 

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That would be great for fans . . bad for P5 bowl eligibility.
Is it much different than 9 conference games and one P5 opponent?

And we have 5 win teams going to bowls now and they are adding more.
 

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ACC Atlantic
Boston College: 9 P5 - Purdue
Clemson: 10 P5 - TAMU, SCAR
FSU: 10 P5 - UF, ND
Louisville: 10 P5 - Alabama, UK
NCST: 9 P5 - WVU
Syracuse: 9 P5 - ND
WF: 9 P5 - ND

ACC Coastal
Duke: 10 P5 - Northwestern, Baylor
GT: 9 P5 - UGA
Miami: 9 P5 - LSU
UNC: 9 P5 - Cal
Pitt: 10 P5 - PSU, ND
UVA: 9 P5 - Indiana
VT: 9 P5 - ND

131 P5 = 9.357


Big 12
Baylor: 10 P5 - Duke
Iowa St.: 10 P5 - Iowa
KU: 10 P5 - Rutgers
KSU: 10 P5 - Miss. St.
OU: 10 P5 - UCLA
Okie Light - 9 P5
TCU: 10 P5 - Ohio St.
Texas: 11 P5 - Maryland, USC
TT: 10 P5 - ole Miss
WVU: 11 P5 - NCST, Tennessee

101 P5 = 10.1


B1G East
Indiana: 10 P5 - UVA
Maryland: 10 P5 - Texas
UM: 10 P5 - ND
MSU: 10 P5 - ASU
OSU: 11 P5 - Oregon St., TCU
PSU: 10 P5 - Pitt
Rutgers: 10 P5 - Kansas

B1G West
Illinois: 9 P5
Iowa: 10 P5 - Iowa St.
Minnesota: 9 P5
Nebraska: 10 P5 - Colorado
Northwestern: 11 P5 - Duke, ND
Purdue: 11 P5 - Mizzou, BC
Wisconsin: 10 P5 - BYU

141 P5 = 10.071


PAC North
Cal: 11 P5 - North Carolina, BYU
Oregon: 9 P5
Oregon St.: 9 P5
Stanford: 10 P5 - ND
Washington: 11 P5 - Auburn, BYU
Washington St.: 9 P5

PAC South
Arizona: 10 P5 - BYU
Arizona St.: 10 P5 - Michigan St.
Colorado: 10 P5 - Nebraska
UCLA: 10 P5 - Oklahoma
USC: 11 P5 - Texas, ND
Utah: 10 P5 - BYU

119 P5 = 9.916


SEC East
UF: 9 P5 - FSU
UGA: 9 P5 - GT
UK: 9 P5 - Louisville
Mizzou: 9 P5 - Purdue
SCAR: 9 P5 - Clemson
UT: 9 P5 - WVU
Vandy: 9P5 - ND

SEC West
Alabama: 9 P5 - Louisville
Arkansas: 8 P5
Auburn: 9 P5 - Washington
LSU: 9 P5 - Miami
Miss. St.: 9 P5 - KSU
Ole Miss. 9P5 - TT
TAMU: 9 P5 - Clemson

125 P5 = 8.928
 

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Is it (8 conference games, 2 P5 OOC games) much different than 9 conference games and one P5 opponent?
In terms of strength of schedule, it is probably no different. But in terms of fan interest, I think more inter-conference play would be great. I would certainly not be against such a plan.
 

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In terms of strength of schedule, it is probably no different. But in terms of fan interest, I think more inter-conference play would be great. I would certainly not be against such a plan.
More fan interest and gives a better conference strength picture with more points of data.
 
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