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[dredinis21]

LOL at the denial fest going on at the SF board on this subject right now. They're trying to spin this so badly, even though they know the truth.

What spin is there Regent? We lost Delanie Walker to FA. When we drafted DW in the 6th round, he was 6'1, 240, 4.5 WR that we turned into our H-back. Harper is 6'1, 234 4.4 WR that the Niners are probably going to turn into an H-back given we lost our H-back project Gray to the Browns. Harper was considered a plus blocker for a WR so time will tell as to whether or not he pans out. But this bullshit notion that the Niners decided to steal the playbook by signing a ROOKIE?!? C'mon, you don't really believe that crap, do you?

 

[dude82]

Look, if you don't believe that teams across the league will try to get every advantage they can, including trying to get information out of former players of division rivals that they've signed, you're naive. How much useful information the Niners will be able to get out of Harper is another issue entirely. It would be different if we were talking about a veteran who sat in on years of meetings, participated in dozens of practices and knew the playbook inside and out, but this is a rookie who spent four months with the team. I wouldn't worry too much about what he might tell the Niners, because it won't be much. The 49ers could probably get more out of what the Seahawks did to them last year and what they've seen on tape since than anything Harper could tell them.

 

[RegentDenali]

They are playbook diving to keep another 42-13 from happening on Sept 15. Right now, SF is only contractually obligated to keep Harper on their practice squad for 3 weeks.

The devil is in the details. 49ers can actually dump him after 3 weeks since he was signed via practice squad.

And boy is there a thin line between Seahawks practice squad and 49ers starter if this is the case.

1) The guy dropped anything thrown his way once he got to a NFL practice facility. He accomplished nothing since drafted besides get beaten by two UDFAs for a roster spot and couldn't even make our PS.

2) If the guy can't catch RW passes, imagine how he handles what those oiled up HGH arms of your 90mph high and outside bullet passing Kraperdick fires his way.

3) Stop with the "but he can block!!!" nonsense. SF doesn't need WR blockers. They need those who can catch a ball and gain yds.

 

[Jikkle]

Look, if you don't believe that teams across the league will try to get every advantage they can, including trying to get information out of former players of division rivals that they've signed, you're naive. How much useful information the Niners will be able to get out of Harper is another issue entirely. It would be different if we were talking about a veteran who sat in on years of meetings, participated in dozens of practices and knew the playbook inside and out, but this is a rookie who spent four months with the team. I wouldn't worry too much about what he might tell the Niners, because it won't be much. The 49ers could probably get more out of what the Seahawks did to them last year and what they've seen on tape since than anything Harper could tell them.

I fully agree but in the case of the Harper signing it wasn't a move to grab intel on the opposing team.

Like you said we'd get more out of watching tape of the Hawks the last two years than from signing Harper who probably just focused on learning his own routes and not the intricacies of the offense.

If the 9ers were going for a full playbook grab MRob would've have been a way better choice to go after as he was with the team for years and was part of the meetings and would know how the Hawks game planned against the 9ers and be more privy to the weaknesses of the Hawks.

 

[Jikkle]

They are playbook diving to keep another 42-13 from happening on Sept 15. Right now, SF is only contractually obligated to keep Harper on their practice squad for 3 weeks.

The devil is in the details. 49ers can actually dump him after 3 weeks since he was signed via practice squad.

And boy is there a thin line between Seahawks practice squad and 49ers starter if this is the case.

1) The guy dropped anything thrown his way once he got to a NFL practice facility. He accomplished nothing since drafted besides get beaten by two UDFAs for a roster spot and couldn't even make our PS.

2) If the guy can't catch RW passes, imagine how he handles what those oiled up HGH arms of your 90mph high and outside bullet passing Kraperdick fires his way.

3) Stop with the "but he can block!!!" nonsense. SF doesn't need WR blockers. They need those who can catch a ball and gain yds.

You're failing to realize he's not going to be a WR.

He'll be converted to H-Back/TE a position that he'll have a chance to be more productive than he would be if he was strictly a WR.

Harper is a complete carbon copy of Delanie Walker. Walker was also a WR out of college who had (still has) dubious hands who would be out of the league if he was strictly a WR. He was converted to TE and under Harbaugh used as an H-Back and that allowed him to become a far more useful and productive player.

The 9ers lost Walker in the offseason and lost Gray the guy they brought in to develop to be an H-Back to Cleveland through waivers. So they had a chance to grab Harper who they could develop into that role and they took him.

The 9ers and the Seahawks themselves could care less about that 42-13. The only loss the 9ers and 9er fans care about 34-31 loss to Baltimore. The only ones hung up about the 42-13 game are Seahawk fans (not all of them). Both teams have moved on a long time ago and both have eyes solely on the Super Bowl. Who you beat and who you lose to along the way is irrelevant if you win that trophy. Just ask the 07 Pats if they would've rather have the SB win or a flawless regular season record.

 

[STBR 27]

They are playbook diving to keep another 42-13 from happening on Sept 15. Right now, SF is only contractually obligated to keep Harper on their practice squad for 3 weeks.

In order for SF to claim Harper off of our PS, he has to be part of their 53 man roster, not on their PS.

I wish the 49ers luck with him, he definitely wasn't a NFL caliber WR (yet?), but maybe they can convert him into something else? However, the fact remains, he still can't catch.

 

[dredinis21]

They are playbook diving to keep another 42-13 from happening on Sept 15. Right now, SF is only contractually obligated to keep Harper on their practice squad for 3 weeks.

The devil is in the details. 49ers can actually dump him after 3 weeks since he was signed via practice squad.

And boy is there a thin line between Seahawks practice squad and 49ers starter if this is the case.

1) The guy dropped anything thrown his way once he got to a NFL practice facility. He accomplished nothing since drafted besides get beaten by two UDFAs for a roster spot and couldn't even make our PS.

2) If the guy can't catch RW passes, imagine how he handles what those oiled up HGH arms of your 90mph high and outside bullet passing Kraperdick fires his way.

3) Stop with the "but he can block!!!" nonsense. SF doesn't need WR blockers. They need those who can catch a ball and gain yds.

The devil is INDEED in the details. Details you are NOT reading. What is an H-back Regent? So far myself and Jikkle have laid out why picking up Harper makes sense for the Niners. You keep harping on how he is as a WR. Comprehend what we are trying to tell you and stop getting caught up in your own rivalry driven hatred of all things Niners.

He drops everything in SEA? That may be true but I trust that the Niners will use years of tape on him in college over 3-4 preseason games with minimal snaps and a lot on the line as a rookie in evaluating him.

A PED crack? Really? Check yourself, this is the crap that makes you look foolish.

Again, WR blockers.....vs. TE blockers. Niners aren't using him as a freaking WR. Niners are using him as an H-back/TE. Hence the need for him to block.

If you really want to believe that Harbaugh has Harper locked up in San Fran/Guantanamo trying his hardest to extract SEA game planning details from a rookie that you admitted was struggling throughout training camp, then go right ahead. You just sound delusional if you think we are going to gain some strategic game planning advantage from a snot-nosed rookie who is still trying to tie his shoes correctly in the NFL.

 

[dredinis21]

Fair enough Jikkle, but he has to be able to catch the ball. We weren't happy to jettison a 4th rounder but our HC and GM have shown if a guy doesn't cut it, he ain't going to make our 53.
In Harper's 4th preseason game which is a show us what you got game, he was 1 for 3 targets, 2 drops, one being a flat gimme TD the hit him between the 1 and the 7 on his jersey.
At that point, most of us were hoping he would not get claimed and would make it to our PS cuz he wasn't ready for our 53. If I was a 9er, I would be glad my team is giving him a shot. Time will tell how he pans out.

Uhsplit, this is all a fair assessment of Harper's hands and frankly, he is pretty low on our depth chart as he should be until he figures out how to be an H-back in our system. Time will tell and he may indeed be trash, but I don't fault the Niners for kicking the tires on a 2013 4th rd pick that they were high on going into the draft to see if he doesn't fit what the Niners are looking for.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I think there's a little of both worlds for the Niners. Pick up a position player they need for depth and get him from a rival team to hopefully get a little info. Some may call it desperation, I like to think of it as a little strategy between rivals.

 

[Rvnight18]

They are playbook diving to keep another 42-13 from happening on Sept 15. Right now, SF is only contractually obligated to keep Harper on their practice squad for 3 weeks.

The devil is in the details. 49ers can actually dump him after 3 weeks since he was signed via practice squad.

And boy is there a thin line between Seahawks practice squad and 49ers starter if this is the case.

1) The guy dropped anything thrown his way once he got to a NFL practice facility. He accomplished nothing since drafted besides get beaten by two UDFAs for a roster spot and couldn't even make our PS.

2) If the guy can't catch RW passes, imagine how he handles what those oiled up HGH arms of your 90mph high and outside bullet passing Kraperdick fires his way.

3) Stop with the "but he can block!!!" nonsense. SF doesn't need WR blockers. They need those who can catch a ball and gain yds.

 

[RegentDenali]

https://twitter.com/710ESPNSeattle/statuses/374939110835617792

 

[dude82]

https://twitter.com/710ESPNSeattle/statuses/374939110835617792

I was kinda hoping this would be the case. I know that people said they saw it coming because of the money he was due this year, but it still happened rather suddenly, so there had to be another reason behind doing it when they did. The illness, whatever it is, would seem to provide that reason. If he doesn't get sick, maybe they decide to keep him. Who knows.

 

[Kingdome fan]

Well written Jikkle.

 

[octagondd]

So does anyone have the cut list and where they ended up? I can name Harper,Quinn and Mcgrath? Any others?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Here's a link.

Seattle Seahawks 2013 Team Transactions - Trades, Injured List, Free Agents, and Signings - ESPN


DATETRANSACTIONSeptember 2, 2013 Signed DT Michael Brooks, TE Cooper Helfet, LB Ty Powell, G Ryan Seymour, DB DeShawn Shead, DT Sealver Siliga, G Jared Smith and WR Bryan Walters to the practice squad. AUGUSTDATETRANSACTIONAugust 31, 2013 Traded an undisclosed future draft choice to Jacksonville for DT D'Anthony Smith. Waived WR Phil Bates, DT Michael Brooks, DT Dewayne Cherrington, WR Arceto Clark, TE Darren Fells, DB Winston Guy, WR Chris Harper, TE Cooper Helfet, DT Jaye Howard, G Rishaw Johnson, TE Sean McGrath, DB Ron Parker, LB Ty Powell, G Ryan Seymour, DB DeShawn Shead, DT Sealver Siliga, G Jared Smith and WR Bryan Walters Terminated the contracts of DT Clinton McDonald, FB Michael Robinson, QB Brady Quinn and CB Antoine Winfield. August 27, 2013 Released WR Donavon Kemp. Terminated the contract CB Will Blackmon. August 27, 2013 Released WR Donavon Kemp. Terminated the contract CB Will Blackmon. August 20, 2013 Traded OL John Moffitt to Denver for DT Sealver Siliga .August 19, 2013 Traded G John Moffitt to Cleveland for DL Brian Sanford. Released K Carson Wiggs. Signed DT Dewayne Cherrington.August 7, 2013Terminated the contract of WR Early Doucet.

Sorry about the clutter, I keep trying to include spaces and such, but it keep coming out like this.

 

[RegentDenali]

One transaction to note today:

We have added preseason GB Packer WR Tyrone Walker to the PS, replacing Ty Powell. Walker was a UDFA out of Illinois St.

"Walker finished with a team-high 11 receptions for 78 yards in the preseason. He has been far from perfect. The undrafted wideout had a pair of drops at St. Louis. At the end of Thursday's game, Walker fumbled the ball, scrambling to poke it out for a teammate to recover. But overall, he has made the most plays among the rookies. On Friday, he hung onto a slant for 14 yards.

It helps that Walker has caught his share of passes from Aaron Rodgers in practice. The quarterback has shown confidence in Walker to make go-to plays within the offense. He hasn't been doing his damage in camp solely with and against back-ups.