Bill Russell is the GOAT

[Shanemansj13]

This conversation is about Russell, but the thing is he shouldn't be anywhere near this conversation.

Gheorghe Muresan>Bill Russell

 

[_Xer0_]

Chamberlain probably scored less against Russell than against other centers.

Wilt was going to score against anyone, but how many opportunities he take away from his teammates?

Russell openly admitted he could not defend Wilt 1 on 1, he had the help of his stacked HoF teammates to make things tougher on Wilt, yet he still completely dominated Russell on a routine basis.

Russell won more because he had better TEAMMATES, i don't get why Russell homers can't realize it.

 

[Brahmsian]

I'd take Willis Reed ahead of Chamberlain even though Reed played for a team I dislike more than any other.

Reed, like Russell, knew what was most important at the C position.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Jordan ahead of Russ? C'mon TDK. :rollseyes:

Jordan has the highest win shares per 48 minutes...

 

[Brahmsian]

Put it this way...

Philip Seymor Hoffman > Bill Russell
Cherokee Parks > Bill Russell
Mike Smrek > Bill Russell
Olden Polynice > Bill Russell
Alton Lister > Bill Russell
Kwame Brown > Bill Russell
Cornbread Maxwell > Bill Russell
Nipsey Russel l> Bill Russell
Keri Russell > Bill Russell
Russell from "Honey I shrunk the Kids" > Bill Russell
Bryon Russell > Bill Russell
Kurt Russell > Bill Russell
Russell Crowe > Bill Russell
Russell Wilson > Bill Russell
Russell Simmons > Bill Russell
Washington Irving > Bill Russell
Irving Fryar > Bill Russell
Friar Tuck > Bill Russell
Tuck Everlasting > Bill Russell
Everlasting Gobstoppers > Bill Russell
Bob Lanier > Bill Russell
Mike Gminski > Bill Russell
Paul Mokeski > Bill Russell
Billy Paultz > Bill Russell
Kevin Duckworth > Bill Russell
Benoit Benjamin > Bill Russell
Danny Manning > Bill Russell
Mel Turpin > Bill Russell
Detlef "The German Giant" Schrempf > Bill Russell
Jack Sikma > Bill Russell
Artis Gilmore > Bill Russell
Frank Brickowski > Bill Russell
Wes Unseld > Bill Russell
Sam Perkins > Bill Russell
Hersey Hawkins > Bill Russell
Ricky Pierce > Bill Russell
Arvydas Sabonis > Bill Russell
Christian Laettner > Bill Russell
Scott Pollard > Bill Russell
Brad Daugherty > Bill Russell
'Nique > Bill Russell
Thurl Bailey > Bill Russell
Tree Rollins > Bill Russell
Roy Tarpley on gutter glitter > Bill Russell
Bill Wennington > Bill Russell
Jon Koncak > Bill Russell
Cliff Levingston > Bill Russell
Terry Cummings > Bill Russell
Kevin Willis > Bill Russell
Danny Schayes > Bill Russell
Alaa Abdelnaby > Bill Russell
Fred Roberts > Bill Russell
Orlando Woolridge > Bill Russell
Greg Oden > Bill Russell
Michael Olowokandi > Bill Russell
Sam Bowie > Bill Russell
Joe Barry Carroll > Bill Russell
Travis Outlaw > Bill Russell
Luke Walton > Bill Russell
Spencer Haywood > Bill Russell
Will Perdue > Bill Russell
Dickey Simpkins > Bill Russell
Jack Haley > Bill Russell
"Mad Dog" Mark Madsen > Bill Russell
Chris Jent > Bill Russell
Tom McMillen > Bill Russell
Bill Cartwright > Bill Russell

Hammer Down is letting his envy foul up his mental processes.

If I weren't a Boston resident and son of a New Englander I might be envious too!

 

[y2ktors]

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Wilt
4. Kareem
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Hakeem
8. Kobe
9. Shaq
10. Timmy

11. LeBron (he's probably gonna be top 5 b4 it's all over)

 

[BOTSLAYER]

 

[BOTSLAYER]

So the latest argument is that Wilt was far superior.

If this was a 1 on 1 debate that would matter a lot. MJ would also lose 1 on 1 to Wilt, Kareem, Russell and LBJ all because of size.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

So the latest argument is that Wilt was far superior.

If this was a 1 on 1 debate that would matter a lot. MJ would also lose 1 on 1 to Wilt, Kareem, Russell and LBJ all because of size.

 

[LALakersboy24.7]

So the latest argument is that Wilt was far superior.

If this was a 1 on 1 debate that would matter a lot. MJ would also lose 1 on 1 to Wilt, Kareem, Russell and LBJ all because of size.

 

[Brocktagon]

Put it this way...

Philip Seymor Hoffman > Hockey
Cherokee Parks > Hockey
Mike Smrek > Hockey
Olden Polynice > Hockey
Alton Lister > Hockey
Kwame Brown > Hockey
Cornbread Maxwell > Hockey
Nipsey Russel l> Hockey
Keri Russell > Hockey
Russell from "Honey I shrunk the Kids" > Hockey
Bryon Russell > Hockey
Kurt Russell > Hockey
Russell Crowe > Hockey
Russell Wilson > Hockey
Russell Simmons > Hockey
Washington Irving > Hockey
Irving Fryar > Hockey
Friar Tuck > Hockey
Tuck Everlasting > Hockey
Everlasting Gobstoppers > Hockey
Bob Lanier > Hockey
Mike Gminski > Hockey
Paul Mokeski > Hockey
Billy Paultz > Hockey
Kevin Duckworth > Hockey
Benoit Benjamin > Hockey
Danny Manning > Hockey
Mel Turpin > Hockey
Detlef "The German Giant" Schrempf > Hockey
Jack Sikma > Hockey
Artis Gilmore > Hockey
Frank Brickowski > Hockey
Wes Unseld > Hockey
Sam Perkins > Hockey
Hersey Hawkins > Hockey
Ricky Pierce > Hockey
Arvydas Sabonis > Hockey
Christian Laettner > Hockey
Scott Pollard > Hockey
Brad Daugherty > Hockey
'Nique > Hockey
Thurl Bailey > Hockey
Tree Rollins > Hockey
Roy Tarpley on gutter glitter > Hockey
Bill Wennington > Hockey
Jon Koncak > Hockey
Cliff Levingston > Hockey
Terry Cummings > Hockey
Kevin Willis > Hockey
Danny Schayes > Hockey
Alaa Abdelnaby > Hockey
Fred Roberts > Hockey
Orlando Woolridge > Hockey
Greg Oden > Hockey
Michael Olowokandi > Hockey
Sam Bowie > Hockey
Joe Barry Carroll > Hockey
Travis Outlaw > Hockey
Luke Walton > Hockey
Spencer Haywood > Hockey
Will Perdue > Hockey
Dickey Simpkins > Hockey
Jack Haley > Hockey
"Mad Dog" Mark Madsen > Hockey
Chris Jent > Hockey
Tom McMillen > Hockey
Bill Cartwright > Hockey

FIFY

 

[_Xer0_]

nobody that has ever played in the NBA is a better player than Wilt Chamberlain, period.

he might not have had the TEAM success like Jordan and Russell, but he was definitely a much better player than both and far more dominant.

 

[Brahmsian]

nobody that has ever played in the NBA is a better player than Wilt Chamberlain, period.

he might not have had the TEAM success like Jordan and Russell, but he was definitely a much better player than both and far more dominant.

If the NBA was a 1-on-1 league...

It's not. 5-on-5 is the NBA game and there Russell is far from being alone in being better than "The Stilt"

5-on-5 is more enjoyable to watch anyway.

 

[Am I Blue Through it All?]

nobody that has ever played in the NBA is a better player than Wilt Chamberlain, period.

he might not have had the TEAM success like Jordan and Russell, but he was definitely a much better player than both and far more dominant.

I grudgingly agree. But tell me, how many rings does Russell have? I think Boston was willing to endure him for the results. Didn't happen again for a while after he left. Connection or coincidence?

 

[Brahmsian]

I grudgingly agree. But tell me, how many rings does Russell have? I think Boston was willing to endure him for the results. Didn't happen again for a while after he left. Connection or coincidence?

"AFTER HE LEFT" is the key phrase in your post.

The GOAT would be very hard to replace, wouldn't he? Some drop-off would be inevitable, wouldn't it?

 

[HammerDown]

I'd take Willis Reed ahead of Chamberlain even though Reed played for a team I dislike more than any other.

Reed, like Russell, knew what was most important at the C position.

Yeah, rebounding, defense and scoring. Wilt was the best at all 3.

He totally dominated Bill Russell his entire career, which Russell freely admits to this day.

If Bill Russell hadn't played for Red's organized crime family, you'd never even know his name. There are 100 small forwards in NBA history that I'd take ahead of Bill Russell.

 

[Am I Blue Through it All?]

"AFTER HE LEFT" is the key phrase in your post.

The GOAT would be very hard to replace, wouldn't he? Some drop-off would be inevitable, wouldn't it?

While not as physically gifted as a small few, I have always felt Russell was the smartest man ever to play in the NBA. His results lend some credibility to my opinion, don't you think?

 

[HammerDown]

I grudgingly agree. But tell me, how many rings does Russell have? I think Boston was willing to endure him for the results. Didn't happen again for a while after he left. Connection or coincidence?

Bill Russell wasn't even the most valuable player on his team and he even says that.

"The rings" is what the Russell fan chants because other than that, as a player he was very pedestrian and an offensive liability.

 

[HammerDown]

While not as physically gifted as a small few, I have always felt Russell was the smartest man ever to play in the NBA. His results lend some credibility to my opinion, don't you think?

Patently absurd. But please tell us reasons why you feel Russell was the smartest that ever played. There should be several convincing reasons why you feel this way.

Magic, Bird and Jordan, along with 100 other PGs through the years were smarter than Russell. Again, since the numbers and the "eye test" prove Russell was far from great, his admirers say things like "he was so smart" because that can't be proved or disproved.

 

[HammerDown]

nobody that has ever played in the NBA is a better player than Wilt Chamberlain, period.

he might not have had the TEAM success like Jordan and Russell, but he was definitely a much better player than both and far more dominant.

I disagree that he was the best or better than Jordan. In fact, while very dominant, it'd be hard for me to say Wilt was better than Hakeem, Shaq or Kareem. Jordan, Magic and Bird were the most fundamentally sound to ever play the game. I don't see how that can be debated.