Article 3 Section 2; The Definition of a Catch

[TheStarOne]

2016 NFL Rulebook: Catch Rule
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

(c) maintains control of the ball after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, until he has the ball long enough to clearly become a runner. A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps (see 3-2-7-Item 2).

Note: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.

If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any part of his body to the ground, it is not a catch

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AND YES IT WAS A CATCH

 

[Scooby-Doo]

2016 NFL Rulebook: Catch Rule
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

(c) maintains control of the ball after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, until he has the ball long enough to clearly become a runner. A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps (see 3-2-7-Item 2).

Note: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.

If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any part of his body to the ground, it is not a catch

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AND YES IT WAS A CATCH

1) Why? This was 2 years ago.
2) It was an incomplete pass. Hence the outcome.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

The problem is refs are wildly inconsistent with their definition of a "football move". Seems like you can take 3 or 4 steps after the catch, fumble the ball, and some zebras will call it incomplete.

 

[Hank Kingsley]

Dez caught that fucking ball.

 

[Hank Kingsley]

The problem is refs are wildly inconsistent with their definition of a "football move". Seems like you can take 3 or 4 steps after the catch, fumble the ball, and some zebras will call it incomplete.

If you consider that a twat like Mike Carey was a ref.... Nuff said.....

 

[Manster7588]

Here we go again. It's over time to move on.

 

[Gooch1034]

 

[Rex Racer]

Dez caught that fucking ball.

Correct. The OP is drooling fool, but i must side with him on this one.

 

[TP76]

Can we give everyone on the competition committee the Wonderlic? Just curious....

 

[geezer]

Is scratching your nuts a football move?

 

[Manster7588]

Is scratching your nuts a football move?

You'd have to ask Marshawn Lynch.

 

[Darth_Tom]

 

[Rockinkuwait]

It was clearly a catch


ARTICLE 3. ILLEGAL CONTACT BEYOND FIVE-YARD ZONE

Beyond the five-yard zone, if the player who receives the snap remains in the pocket with the ball, a defender cannot initiate contact with a receiver who is attempting to evade him. A defender may use his hands or arms only to defend or protect himself against impending contact caused by a receiver.

Plus the hold on 3rd down (Frederich on Clay Matthews) should have meant 4th and 21 vs. a prevent D instead of 4th and 2 vs. cover 0.

Plays get called wrong sometimes, you can't expect to just get the ones that help you.

 

[SeizeTheCarp]

2016 NFL Rulebook: Catch Rule
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

(c) maintains control of the ball after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, until he has the ball long enough to clearly become a runner. A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps (see 3-2-7-Item 2).

Note: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.

If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any part of his body to the ground, it is not a catch

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AND YES IT WAS A CATCH

With the vast majority of Dez's momentum taking him to the ground, he had zero chance of being able to avoid or ward off impending contact of an opponent. By the time he had any control of his momentum, it was about his 4th step where he tried to push off to lunge into the endzone, but he was practically parallel with the ground at that point.

I think most agree that he caught the ball, but, by NFL rules, he never completed the process of the catch. And by the updated definition, he still wouldn't have completed the process.

 

[Hank Kingsley]

With the vast majority of Dez's momentum taking him to the ground, he had zero chance of being able to avoid or ward off impending contact of an opponent. By the time he had any control of his momentum, it was about his 4th step where he tried to push off to lunge into the endzone, but he was practically parallel with the ground at that point.

I think most agree that he caught the ball, but, by NFL rules, he never completed the process of the catch. And by the updated definition, he still wouldn't have completed the process.

Which means the rule is still bullshit.

Dez caught that fucking ball.

 

[packerzrule]

holy fuck - some folks just can't let shit go

it was an unbelievably athletic move by Dez and was the correct call of a shitty rule


back in the day, a catch without a doubt
the ground could force a fumble
Woodson forced Brady to fumble
leaded premium was 41 cents a gallon
you could find hashish easier than heroin
blah, blah, blah, blah

 

[Cave_Johnson]

It was clearly a catch


ARTICLE 3. ILLEGAL CONTACT BEYOND FIVE-YARD ZONE

Beyond the five-yard zone, if the player who receives the snap remains in the pocket with the ball, a defender cannot initiate contact with a receiver who is attempting to evade him. A defender may use his hands or arms only to defend or protect himself against impending contact caused by a receiver.
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Plus the hold on 3rd down (Frederich on Clay Matthews) should have meant 4th and 21 vs. a prevent D instead of 4th and 2 vs. cover 0.

Plays get called wrong sometimes, you can't expect to just get the ones that help you.

Yeah, at least the Dez call you might be able to justify under the rules (maybe). This was as blatant as PI gets outside of tackling him to the ground.

 

[Hank Kingsley]

holy fuck - some folks just can't let shit go

it was an unbelievably athletic move by Dez and was the correct call of a shitty rule


back in the day, a catch without a doubt
the ground could force a fumble
Woodson forced Brady to fumble
leaded premium was 41 cents a gallon
you could find hashish easier than heroin
blah, blah, blah, blah

Let what go. Speaking of blah blah blah.....

It's ancient history and an incorrect interpretation of a fuckwit rule.

But just cause the average idiot can't begin to do what Dez did on that play....

He caught that fucking ball.

 

[jarntt]

Yeah, this again...

 

[Southieinnc]

some folks just can't shit

it was an unbelievably athletic move by Dez and was the correct call of a shitty rule

That really is all that needs to be said.