2023 Win totals

[CrashDavisSports]

Special teams was a mess last year. Poorly coached and poorly played. Both kicker and punter needed replacing.
Bill does not call Offense. Bill O'Brian previously was an excellent OC for the Patriots and now has more experience.
O'line play was very sketch because of coaching. Adrian Klemm as OL coach and Bill O'B as OC will have the previously highly rated O'line performing up to par.
Matt Patricia destroyed our gameplan and Offensive coaching in all facets.
Mac was sabataged by Patricia's failure as OC.

Well, I can see some of your points for sure. However, it takes a while for a coaching changeover to get everyone on the same page. I would expect a slow start from the offense to begin the year and hopefully as everyone becomes more comfortable with the scheme and playbook, that things start to gel.

If your defense can keep you in those early games then I can see the Patriots getting to 8 to 9 wins.

 

[Southieinnc]

Well, I can see some of your points for sure. However, it takes a while for a coaching changeover to get everyone on the same page. I would expect a slow start from the offense to begin the year and hopefully as everyone becomes more comfortable with the scheme and playbook, that things start to gel.

If your defense can keep you in those early games then I can see the Patriots getting to 8 to 9 wins.

Coaching changeover? Yes but.
It's more like going back for the team and the players.
Last year's failed offensive scheme was not well coached and not well received.
Our Offensive players were drafted for a different scheme than last years.

 

[Clayton]

Seahawks and Titans Over
Vikings and Jaguars Under

Still to early to be too confident in any of this, though

 

[Fountain City Blues]

11.5 - Chiefs Over
11.5 - Bengals Over
11.5 - 49ers Under
10.5 - Bills Over
10.5 - Eagles Over
9.5 - Jets Push
9.5 - Ravens Over
9.5 - Chargers Push
9.5 - Dolphins Under
9.5 - Browns Under
9.5 - Jaguars Push
9.5 - Cowboys Over
9.5 - Lions Push
9.5 - Saints Over
8.5 - Steelers Under
8.5 - Broncos Push
8.5 - Vikings Under
8.5 - Seahawks Over
8.5 - Falcons Under
8.5 - Giants Under
7.5 - Patriots Push
7.5 - Titans Under
7.5 - Raiders Under
7.5 - Panthers Over
7.5 - Packers Push
7.5 - Rams Push
7.5 - Bears Push
6.5 - Colts Under
6.5 - Buccaneers Push
6.5 - Commanders Push
5.5 - Texans Under
5.5 - Cardinals Under

 

[Clayton]

11.5 - Chiefs Over
11.5 - Bengals Over
11.5 - 49ers Under
10.5 - Bills Over
10.5 - Eagles Over
9.5 - Jets Push
9.5 - Ravens Over
9.5 - Chargers Push
9.5 - Dolphins Under
9.5 - Browns Under
9.5 - Jaguars Push
9.5 - Cowboys Over
9.5 - Lions Push
9.5 - Saints Over
8.5 - Steelers Under
8.5 - Broncos Push
8.5 - Vikings Under
8.5 - Seahawks Over
8.5 - Falcons Under
8.5 - Giants Under
7.5 - Patriots Push
7.5 - Titans Under
7.5 - Raiders Under
7.5 - Panthers Over
7.5 - Packers Push
7.5 - Rams Push
7.5 - Bears Push
6.5 - Colts Under
6.5 - Buccaneers Push
6.5 - Commanders Push
5.5 - Texans Under
5.5 - Cardinals Under

I guess the AFC South could be the worst division ever. I wouldn't rule that out.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

I guess the AFC South could be the worst division ever. I wouldn't rule that out.

Let's just say I am a Levis and Richardson hater and the Texans roster speaks for itself.

 

[Clayton]

Let's just say I am a Levis and Richardson hater and the Texans roster speaks for itself.

I figure the Titans will still roll out Tannehill until they either get knocked out of the playoffs or he gets hurt again.

The big thing with the Titans is when they pull the plug on Tannehill/Henry. If they have those two guys intact and they aren't the most injured team in football again then I think they'll hit the over. If they pull the plug, could be the worst team in football.

 

[Battlelyon]

In that division and this conference, it is a real possibility they are the worst team in the East.

I agree they could be, but they can be better than the Jets, worse than the Dolphins and Bills.

 

[Clayton]

Dolphins are too volatile for me to bet on the AFC East imo. Thats a team that went all-in to win a Super Bowl based around a scheme with Tyreek Hill and Waddle and a decent defense. Its also a team with a QB that could be out of the league next year or possibly an MVP candidate.

 

[Battlelyon]

11.5 - Chiefs Over
11.5 - Bengals Over
11.5 - 49ers Under
10.5 - Bills Over
10.5 - Eagles Over
9.5 - Jets Push
9.5 - Ravens Over
9.5 - Chargers Push
9.5 - Dolphins Under
9.5 - Browns Under
9.5 - Jaguars Push
9.5 - Cowboys Over
9.5 - Lions Push
9.5 - Saints Over
8.5 - Steelers Under
8.5 - Broncos Push
8.5 - Vikings Under
8.5 - Seahawks Over
8.5 - Falcons Under
8.5 - Giants Under
7.5 - Patriots Push
7.5 - Titans Under
7.5 - Raiders Under
7.5 - Panthers Over
7.5 - Packers Push
7.5 - Rams Push
7.5 - Bears Push
6.5 - Colts Under
6.5 - Buccaneers Push
6.5 - Commanders Push
5.5 - Texans Under
5.5 - Cardinals Under

I got the Dolphins over, Saints under, Steelers over, Broncos under, Vikings over, Seahawks push, Patriots over, Bears under

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Dolphins are too volatile for me to bet on the AFC East imo. Thats a team that went all-in to win a Super Bowl based around a scheme with Tyreek Hill and Waddle and a decent defense. Its also a team with a QB that could be out of the league next year or possibly an MVP candidate.

Tua is the real question. The amount of speed and innovation they have on offense is elite. On defense with Howard and Ramsey, and some solid pass rush, they could be defensively scary also, especially teams with only two decent WR's. Those are two shut down corners. I personally think if Tua stays healthy and continues on the path he started the season last year as, they could win the East and possibly wind up with 12 wins.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

 

[Battlelyon]

 

[Southieinnc]

11.5 - Chiefs Over
11.5 - Bengals Over
11.5 - 49ers Under
10.5 - Bills Over
10.5 - Eagles Over
9.5 - Jets Push
9.5 - Ravens Over
9.5 - Chargers Push
9.5 - Dolphins Under
9.5 - Browns Under
9.5 - Jaguars Push
9.5 - Cowboys Over
9.5 - Lions Push
9.5 - Saints Over
8.5 - Steelers Under
8.5 - Broncos Push
8.5 - Vikings Under
8.5 - Seahawks Over
8.5 - Falcons Under
8.5 - Giants Under
7.5 - Patriots Push
7.5 - Titans Under
7.5 - Raiders Under
7.5 - Panthers Over
7.5 - Packers Push
7.5 - Rams Push
7.5 - Bears Push
6.5 - Colts Under
6.5 - Buccaneers Push
6.5 - Commanders Push
5.5 - Texans Under
5.5 - Cardinals Under

Wimp! There is no push for 1/2 games!!!!!

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Wimp! There is no push for 1/2 games!!!!!

Sure there is. It is called a tie. That is some real accurate betting he is doing.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Sure there is. It is called a tie. That is some real accurate betting he is doing.

:P

 

[Tainthappening]

7.5 - Packers

Gambling is not legal at Bushwood... if it were I would take under on the Packers.

Opponents not all that difficult this year, but think they will struggle to put points on the board with Love and pass catchers they have (2nd year WRs are the veterans).

Rodgers first year as starter 2008:
- Went 6-10
- Offense #5 scoring points, #8 yards
- Defense #22 scoring, #20 yards

I expect Packers defense to be better than 2008, but the offense to be much worse. Average team at best this year with all the inexperence.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

Niners seems high given the uncertainty of if and when Purdy will be available.

They must have a pretty easy schedule of opponents this year.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

Wimp! There is no push for 1/2 games!!!!!

 

[Battlelyon]

So are the Rams still in tank mode?