Who's your pick for the four playoff teams?

TrustMeIamRight · Mar 22, 2017

bamabear82 said:
I'm not gonna lie, I did laugh when I compared him to Richt. Richt seems like a much better person.

Well -- feel free to fill in for 420 and answer me about all the success Saban has had outside the SEC. I need a good laugh too.

bamabear82 · Mar 22, 2017

TrustMeIamRight said:
Well -- feel free to fill in for 420 and answer me about all the success Saban has had outside the SEC. I need a good laugh too.

Doing what he's done in the SEC in the day and age he did it is proof enough that he's the best coach out there. I'd put Meyer right there with him then the gap grows tremendously. Harbs has one team to worry about and still can't win his division much less put together a NC run. Nothing that happened 15+ years ago or in the NFL is going to change that.

ericd7633 · Mar 22, 2017

TrustMeIamRight said:
Stop. I know everything about the MSU incident. I was born and raised in Michigan -- both UM and MSU. He lost 9 future scholarships. It was the same as OSU when Urban Meyer took over -- he seemed to do just fine.

The didn't lose bowl eligibility, they didn't lose televised games -- it was probation and a handful of scholarships.

So you think losing 9 scholarships at MSU in the Mid 90's is the same as Ohio State losing that many under Urban? Fucking laughable. He was trying to coach when the B1G has never been better and had to do it on probation and with less scholarships. And he still managed to get them into the top 10 by the end of his 5th year.

TrustMeIamRight · Mar 22, 2017

ericd7633 said:
So you think losing 9 scholarships at MSU in the Mid 90's is the same as Ohio State losing that many under Urban? Fucking laughable. He was trying to coach when the B1G has never been better and had to do it on probation and with less scholarships. And he still managed to get them into the top 10 by the end of his 5th year.

You mean the decade where the B1G had one NC and it was split with Nebraska. Go back another decade if you want to talk about the B1G never being better.

And just an FYI -- probation means nothing if you run a clean program, so not sure why you bringing that up. This is why I said, they weren't banned from bowl games, they weren't banned from television. It was 9 future scholarships.

If you'd like a comparable coaching to what Saban did at MSU. Look no further than the guy he replaced -- George Perles. He must be one of the greats too.

Tin Man · Mar 22, 2017

Oh, wow! The playoffs and limited to four items...

OK, first off, gotta go with Vietnamese spring rolls

Then, the nachos must be substantial

A serious assortment of chicken wings

The last choice is the hardest - sliders?

Or, do you opt for the cold sammie option, maybe hovan rolls?

TrustMeIamRight · Mar 22, 2017

bamabear82 said:
Doing what he's done in the SEC in the day and age he did it is proof enough that he's the best coach out there. I'd put Meyer right there with him then the gap grows tremendously. Harbs has one team to worry about and still can't win his division much less put together a NC run. Nothing that happened 15+ years ago or in the NFL is going to change that.

You won't hear me argue that about Meyer and Saban. They are 1a and 1b in CFB. Why? They are 1a and 1b as the best recruiters in the game.

I've already said -- I'm more impressed with Meyer as he has shown he can win in CFB no matter where he goes -- Utah (undefeated season), the SEC (2 NC's), and the B1G (1 NC). He will never go to the NFL as he has a gimmick offense, but he is a tremendous college coach.

4down20 · Mar 22, 2017

bamabear82 said:
It's the only way he can put Saban an Harbaugh in the same sentence. Either what happened 15 years ago or the NFL. One's winnng NC's the other isn't even winning divisions.

He also thinks the NFL is an even playing field and that all teams are the same.

ericd7633 · Mar 22, 2017

TrustMeIamRight said:
You mean the decade where the B1G had one NC and it was split with Nebraska. Go back another decade if you want to talk about the B1G never being better.

And just an FYI -- probation means nothing if you run a clean program, so not sure why you bringing that up. This is why I said, they weren't banned from bowl games, they weren't banned from television. It was 9 future scholarships.

If you'd like a comparable coaching to what Saban did at MSU. Look no further than the guy he replaced -- George Perles. He must be one of the greats too.

Both PSU and Michigan finished in the top 20 every year Saban was there. OSU finished 6th, 2nd, 12th, 2nd then NR in Saban's time there. Purdue finished ranked in Saban's last 3 years. Hell in Saban's last year 7 out of the 11 B1G teams finished ranked. At no point was the B1G better than when Saban was at MSU. I looked at the decade of the 80's. I'm embarrassed you brought that up because its not even close.

And I'm fully aware what probation means.

7Samurai13 · Mar 22, 2017

4down20 · Mar 22, 2017

TrustMeIamRight said:
Actually -- that may be putting down the 90's MSU teams to compare them to UM from the previous 7/8 years. UM won more than 8 games once in the previous 7 or 8 years before Harbaugh showed up -- I can't remember if it Dick Rod had 3 or 4 years?

Basically -- Nick Saban at MSU, did exactly the same as George Perles at MSU.

You just can't help but say stupid shit can you?

Michigan St records prior to Saban:

1994: 5-6
1993: 6-6 Bowl Loss
1992: 5-6
1991: 3-8
1990: 8-3-1

The 99 season under Saban was Michigan St's best season since the 60's.

7Samurai13 · Mar 22, 2017

I'm just going to say that after Saban left Michigan State went back into the shitter with returning the starting QB and Running Back.

TrustMeIamRight · Mar 22, 2017

4down20 said:
He also thinks the NFL is an even playing field and that all teams are the same.

The NFL is the closest you will get to a level playing field in football. You win the Super Bowl, you pick last in the first round. Teams are given a salary cap -- you can only spend up to certain amount.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out -- college football is all about who can collect the most talent.

4down20 · Mar 22, 2017

TrustMeIamRight said:
The NFL is the closest you will get to a level playing field in football. You win the Super Bowl, you pick last in the first round. Teams are given a salary cap -- you can only spend up to certain amount.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out -- college football is all about who can collect the most talent.

You mean they all play by the same rules, the same as college football?

If you don't think talent levels matter or are different in the NFL then you're an even bigger idiot than I thought. The front offices of the teams are the ones that manage those things, not the coaches and all teams are definitely not equal or even close to being equal.

Trying to treat the Dolphins with the 49rs teams as being equal is just laughable and only shows your football ignorance on what coaches actually control on these teams.

TrustMeIamRight · Mar 22, 2017

4down20 said:
You just can't help but say stupid shit can you?

Michigan St records prior to Saban:

1994: 5-6
1993: 6-6 Bowl Loss
1992: 5-6
1991: 3-8
1990: 8-3-1

The 99 season under Saban was Michigan St's best season since the 60's.

Guess you missed when George Perles went undefeated in the B1G , won the B1G and the Rose Bowl in 87.

Or that in 1990 -- Perles also finished tied for 1st in the B1G. And lastly, Saban went 9-2 his last year at MSU. He NEVER won a bowl game. He went 0-3.

And here is a list of numbers for you. You tell me who is who:

Coach 1:
Team record year before he arrived 2-9
Year 1: 4 wins
Year 2: 6 wins
Year 3: 7 wins
Year 4: 6 wins
Year 5: 9 wins

Coach 2:
Team record year before he arrived 6-6
Year 1: 6 wins
Year 2: 6 wins
Year 3: 7 wins
Year 4: 6 wins
Year 5: 9 wins

4down20 · Mar 22, 2017

TrustMeIamRight said:
Guess you missed when George Perles went undefeated in the B1G , won the B1G and the Rose Bowl in 87.

Or that in 1990 -- Perles also finished tied for 1st in the B1G. And lastly, Saban went 9-2 his last year at MSU. He NEVER won a bowl game. He went 0-3.

And here is a list of numbers for you. You tell me who is who:

Coach 1:
Team record year before he arrived 2-9
Year 1: 4 wins
Year 2: 6 wins
Year 3: 7 wins
Year 4: 6 wins
Year 5: 9 wins

Coach 2:
Team record year before he arrived 6-6
Year 1: 6 wins
Year 2: 6 wins
Year 3: 7 wins
Year 4: 6 wins
Year 5: 9 wins

I guess you just completely forgot what the fuck you said.

TrustMeIamRight said:
Actually -- that may be putting down the 90's MSU teams to compare them to UM from the previous 7/8 years. UM won more than 8 games once in the previous 7 or 8 years before Harbaugh showed up -- I can't remember if it Dick Rod had 3 or 4 years?

Basically -- Nick Saban at MSU, did exactly the same as George Perles at MSU.

I'm not playing guess the records. If you think you have a point to make, then fucking make it.

7Samurai13 · Mar 22, 2017

4down20 said:
I guess you just completely forgot what the fuck you said.

I'm not playing guess the records. If you think you have a point to make, then fucking make it.

Sliding scale to fit his argument. The is the Michigan MO.

TrustMeIamRight · Mar 22, 2017

4down20 said:
You mean they all play by the same rules, the same as college football?

If you don't think talent levels matter or are different in the NFL then you're an even bigger idiot than I thought. The front offices of the teams are the ones that manage those things, not the coaches and all teams are definitely not equal or even close to being equal.

Trying to treat the Dolphins with the 49rs teams as being equal is just laughable and only shows your football ignorance on what coaches actually control on these teams.

Did you literally just put in writing that all schools in the NCAA play by the same rules? Conferences have different rules. Hell, individual schools have different rules.

If the NCAA played by the same rules -- schools would have a set amount in their budget. All schools would spend the same amount on recruiting. Individual schools wouldn't have shoe and uniform contracts -- it'd be one contract split between every school.

Quit being foolish.

TrustMeIamRight · Mar 22, 2017

4down20 said:
I guess you just completely forgot what the fuck you said.

I'm not playing guess the records. If you think you have a point to make, then fucking make it.

I just listed the first 5 years for George Perles and the first 5 years for Saban. Only difference. Perles took over a worse team and actually won a division title and a bowl game.

TrustMeIamRight · Mar 22, 2017

7Samurai13 said:
Sliding scale to fit his argument. The is the Michigan MO.

What scale did I slide?

TrustMeIamRight · Mar 22, 2017

4down20 said:
You mean they all play by the same rules, the same as college football?

If you don't think talent levels matter or are different in the NFL then you're an even bigger idiot than I thought. The front offices of the teams are the ones that manage those things, not the coaches and all teams are definitely not equal or even close to being equal.

Trying to treat the Dolphins with the 49rs teams as being equal is just laughable and only shows your football ignorance on what coaches actually control on these teams.

And I will TRY to spell it out for you in a way you will understand. You know how Clemson beat Alabama this past year for the NC. If the NCAA were like the NFL, they'd be picking last out of all FBS schools in the next 'recruiting period'. Once everyone picked a player they wanted and Clemson picked last -- it'd go back to all the other teams.

In your 'level playing field' of the NCAA -- the top teams get the top recruits every year. Those schools also have the pr

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