Meyer is getting screwed

Across The Field said:

This is all I needed to see from you to show that you're 100% biased. He writes a story, only to change a MAJOR detail shortly after to be the exact opposite of what he's written, and you still side with his story that he definitely saw it even though he himself has given no proof, nobody else has given any proof, nobody else says they gave it to him, nobody else says they saw him look at the report, and nobody else can even say that they have seen it themselves. You are saying that OSU fans need "proof" - Yet you don't say that he needs to prove that he saw this supposed report that nobody on the planet can corroborate.

THIS is why you and I are not on the same page. You cannot possibly say that you're objective and not at least understand where I am coming from here.

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Bullshit.

Saying you need something more than lack of a picture because upset fans (and no one else) are demanding it to undo 30+ years of work is not showing bias. In fact, it is entirely the opposite. Period.

Can you please show us EXACTLY what he changed and didn't properly notate that has your panties all in a wad? I gave you his exact wording on it yesterday, from the original Aug1st release of the article. It had that line about the prior version having an X on that and the police giving him a different version. If it was in that story to begin with, exactly what did he change for THAT part that has you all twisted?

Let's work though this together buddy. I'll be your therapist and help you come back down off the cliff here.

Baby steps. What actual part of the story was changed without notation that has you believing he is LYING about ever seeing a version with that checked?

WizardHawk said:

Negative.

He was called out directly by Carano about his story using texts between her and Zack. Once he verified it was really her calling him out he IMMEDIATELY responded in detail.

Show us any other forms of 'been called out repeatedly for his edits' that aren't the endless social media trolls. As in, who in the real world (mainstream sports media at the very least) or people from inside the story calling out his details has he avoided responding to? Please be specific and show links. Thanks.

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Alreafy did Tom Herman press conference. Where Tom Herman refused to answer when questioned about his knowledge of the abuse. No different than Meyers claim at media day. Which says more than a non existing police report. Or texts that could have been altered by a biased source. Again McMurphy has been careless and that’s evident in his edits. You can believe what you want but I’m waiting for an actual report. Not that of a questionable source. Whether that source is McMurphy or Snook....It is a pretty big double standard tho

cwerph said:

McMurphy has done a poor job if you are judging his work from a journalist's standpoint. I guess the shorthand way to say that is 'hack'.

I wish Snook would just shut up, although I think the information from Courtney's mother (not Zach's) has some value.

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Well everything McMurphy learned about real world, journalistic integrity he learned from ESPN, so that should tell you everything.

Across The Field said:

Jesus, you WV folk sure to live up to the stereotype. Do I work for the PD? No. I can't confirm anything, dumbshit. The burden is on you to prove something exists and you can't do it.

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No you fucking retard. The burden is on you to prove there’s nothing. I have the admission of the police chief that all report/s aren’t released. I have you admitting some report/s can’t be released. But now you want to back track and say I need proof? You truely are the dumbest OSU schmuck here.

Yeah, you aren’t doing much better today.

TheRobotDevil said:

Oh I remember it clearly it involved SC. The major difference being this involved a DV case involving student athletes. Which falls directly into Title IX and zero tolerance. Where it’s the coaches job to report the incident. As opposed to a staff member who does not fall into the same policies as students. In a chaotic adult relationship. Where the coach could very easily not know the entire nature. I would think a DV involving student athletes would most definitely be the coach and ADs repsonssbity witbput question

THE PAC 12 THREAD v.5

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Damn that’s what we call a 360 alley opp between the legs dunk! Lolzzz

nddulac said:

Oh yeah.

Similar words - very different meaning. In the case of Meyer/Smith/Smith, the involvement is because of personal issues. Meyer and Gene Smith are Zach Smith's supervisors. In the case of the USC student, The coach and AD should not have been involved because it was a Title IX issue, so the Title IX office should have handled it and then the Athletics department should have acted in accordance with recommendations. The same thing is really true here. Law enforcement should handle the investigation of alleged criminal conduct, and the athletics staff then act accordingly in terms of what is found to be true or not.

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Do you even believe this post? Lol this is completely wrong.

WizardHawk said:

Bullshit.

Saying you need something more than lack of a picture because upset fans (and no one else) are demanding it to undo 30+ years of work is not showing bias. In fact, it is entirely the opposite. Period.

Can you please show us EXACTLY what he changed and didn't properly notate that has your panties all in a wad? I gave you his exact wording on it yesterday, from the original Aug1st release of the article. It had that line about the prior version having an X on that and the police giving him a different version. If it was in that story to begin with, exactly what did he change for THAT part that has you all twisted?

Let's work though this together buddy. I'll be your therapist and help you come back down off the cliff here.

Baby steps. What actual part of the story was changed without notation that has you believing he is LYING about ever seeing a version with that checked?

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It's not just the fact that it's a "lack of a picture" - it was arguably the most damning part of his story - and it was based on bullshit! Why are you just so easily able to excuse this as if it doesn't matter? He's edited at least two things now. His explanation doesn't excuse the fact that he made the errors in the first place.

Again - how many edits is he allowed to have in your mind? 5? 10? You are 100% biased in favor of him. This proves it.

ralphiewvu said:

No you fucking retard. The burden is on you to prove there’s nothing. I have the admission of the police chief that all report/s aren’t released. I have you admitting some report/s can’t be released. But now you want to back track and say I need proof? You truely are the dumbest OSU schmuck here.

Yeah, you aren’t doing much better today.

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No, it's not. And no, you don't. All information cannot be released, if some of it specifically names Zach Smith. He's never, not one single time, said "There are more reports that I have yet to release about this one specific incident."

I hate to interrupt this cat fight, but I would like to interject this:

The reason most Ohio State fans are upset about McMurphy's initial (and now known to be false) report that Zach Smith was arrested in 2015 is this:

I think if Urban Meyer is ever allowed to talk about this, he will give this (entire plausible, IMHO) explanation of what happened at media day:

I received a text stating that there was a report that Zach Smith had been arrested in 2015. We checked to make sure, but there was "nothing there". The answers I gave were in that context. I should have been more clear that this was what I was saying I had no knowledge of. He went too far in the questioning afterwards and for that he is paying a tremendous price.

I have stated many times he should have made a statement saying they had removed a coach for non-performance related reasons and refused to answer any questions.

For McMurphy to simply edit that out of the story with no acknowledgement of his error is piss poor journalism. If you don't call someone a hack after that kind of BS, when would you?

Across The Field said:

Well that's not fair.

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A mother will protect her son. A mother will usually protect her daughter, this situation not withstanding.

The fact that Courtney's mother backs Zach's mother in this is telling. If she had not done that, I would have taken Zach's mom's comments with a grain of salt.

Across The Field said:

No, it's not. And no, you don't. All information cannot be released, if some of it specifically names Zach Smith. He's never, not one single time, said "There are more reports that I have yet to release about this one specific incident."

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You really are going with this ship the whole way aren’t you?


Police Refusing to Release Report Involving Fired Ohio State Assistant Zach Smith

I’ll even copy and paste for you:

The Powell police are refusing to turn over documents concerning Smith's investigation including reports and other official documents. Apparently, because Smith has not been officially identified as committing a crime, the case is still open and thus the police force cannot release the documents.

The city of Powell, which personally names smith and his investigation and says there are documents and they can’t release them.

Yet you think it’s not plausible for a report of arrest to be with this?
Really?

cwerph said:

A mother will protect her son. A mother will usually protect her daughter, this situation not withstanding.

The fact that Courtney's mother backs Zach's mother in this is telling. If she had not done that, I would have taken Zach's mom's comments with a grain of salt.

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I don't disagree with the premise, but at this point, his mom is no less credible than Courtney herself really.

ralphiewvu said:

You really are going with this ship the whole way aren’t you?


Police Refusing to Release Report Involving Fired Ohio State Assistant Zach Smith

I’ll even copy and paste for you:

The Powell police are refusing to turn over documents concerning Smith's investigation including reports and other official documents. Apparently, because Smith has not been officially identified as committing a crime, the case is still open and thus the police force cannot release the documents.

The city of Powell, which personally names smith and his investigation and says there are documents and they can’t release them.

Yet you think it’s not plausible for a report of arrest to be with this?
Really?

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lol, so they're not releasing information specifically with Zach Smith's name in them, just as I said. Weird, who already said that?

Across The Field said:

lol, so they're not releasing information specifically with Zach Smith's name in them, just as I said. Weird, who already said that?

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Yeah, that’s what I thought. Good try though.

Your still not doing good today.

Across The Field said:

It's not just the fact that it's a "lack of a picture" - it was arguably the most damning part of his story - and it was based on bullshit! Why are you just so easily able to excuse this as if it doesn't matter? He's edited at least two things now. His explanation doesn't excuse the fact that he made the errors in the first place.

Again - how many edits is he allowed to have in your mind? 5? 10? You are 100% biased in favor of him. This proves it.

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The Police Chief literally stated that there were multiple reports and released the edited version on July 24th after the report was written — that is when McMurphy edited his report.
He also stated, because of Ohio law they cannot release all of the report, but blamed human error in his office for a report with ‘arrested’ checked.

So what am I missing here? Whether it stated he was arrested or not — it doesn’t change the fact that Smith had the cops called numerous times for DV. Had a restraining order granted in 2015, he had a personal protection order granted against him in 2017 , all while being employed at OSU.

He should have been fired long ago — you are arguing semantics, but for no reason. Whether he was arrested or not — the ONLY way Meyer gets in trouble is if he hid it from OSU, which he stated he did not. All the report did was bring to light what a piece of shit Zach Smith is — the DUI arrest just added to it all.

Meyer can’t babysit his coaching staff, so bottom line is — did he report it or not?!? That’s all that matters.

ralphiewvu said:

Yeah, that’s what I thought. Good try though.

Your still not doing good today.

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So you've got proof that they have a report saying he was arrested? Because nobody else does. Nice speculation though.

Across The Field said:

So you've got proof that they have a report saying he was arrested? Because nobody else does. Nice speculation though.

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So you have proof that there is no arrest checked in the report/s they are holding onto and can’t release to the public? Seriously use common sense, with everything that’s going on which one seems more plausible?

Across The Field said:

It's not just the fact that it's a "lack of a picture" - it was arguably the most damning part of his story - and it was based on bullshit! Why are you just so easily able to excuse this as if it doesn't matter? He's edited at least two things now. His explanation doesn't excuse the fact that he made the errors in the first place.

Again - how many edits is he allowed to have in your mind? 5? 10? You are 100% biased in favor of him. This proves it.

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See, we keep trying to have a conversation and then you go full stupid again. No, there isn't a bit of bias at all. How can you even suggest it when I'm calling him a hack to begin with? I literally have zero bias because I have zero interest AT ALL in the outcome. I couldn't possibly have less bias unless I just moved here from Mars.

No one is giving him any kind of free pass. At all. I'm not 'excusing' anything. At all. Period. I'm not sure how many ways you need to be told he botched up parts of this thing from the jump? That's a different thing that making the BOLD claim he flat out lied. Mistakes, shoddy work, bad editing, etc are NOT the same thing as lying and fabricating things. You need PROOF to jump to the next level and you have none. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Not one shred. ALL you have is a lack of a posted document no one credible has asked for. It's ludicrous to suggest that's proof of anything resembling lying and having an agenda. I'll stick with logic until we have the facts. And it's far more logical to think he saw something and was given a different version and that what he saw wasn't the same thing as your homer site has. That is where most of the world is until the report comes out. Until there is actual proof he LIED there is no reason at this point to accuse him of it.

TrustMeIamRight said:

The Police Chief literally stated that there were multiple reports and released the edited version on July 24th after the report was written — that is when McMurphy edited his report.
He also stated, because of Ohio law they cannot release all of the report, but blamed human error in his office for a report with ‘arrested’ checked.

So what am I missing here? Whether it stated he was arrested or not — it doesn’t change the fact that Smith had the cops called numerous times for DV. Had a restraining order granted in 2015, he had a personal protection order granted against him in 2017 , all while being employed at OSU.

He should have been fired long ago — you are arguing semantics, but for no reason. Whether he was arrested or not — the ONLY way Meyer gets in trouble is if he hid it from OSU, which he stated he did not. All the report did was bring to light what a piece of shit Zach Smith is — the DUI arrest just added to it all.

Meyer can’t babysit his coaching staff, so bottom line is — did he report it or not?!? That’s all that matters.

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He never said one actually came out. He said "if" one came out. The old report from 2015 is also already out and it doesn't say arrest, so where did this one that supposedly says arrest come from? And where is it now? If McMurphy saw it, it has to be out there somewhere, right?